DGCA NOC for Boeing 737 Type rating

[pree56]

Dear Friends,

I applied to DGCA for an NOC for carrying out boeing 737 NG type rating training, along with my friend.
We are scheduled to start training within 2 weeks.

However just 2 days back ie friday, I went to DGCA and learnt that my request for NOC was rejected as my IR was lapsed.

can someone please guide me on what to do ?

what do other candidates do while joining airlines in India ?

can I go ahead with my training and do an IR check in USA with an FAA examiner ?

Thanks

[avalanche007]

i would recommend u to renew your ir in india itself
matter of a week and u can get your ir renewed

[Capt_Lsd]

I don't know why they didn't approve it,,because there's some one out here on pprune that said he/she got a NOC in spite of the IR not being current..

[CaptDG]

hey, where are you planning to get your Boeing type rating? I am also looking into it so any info on this would be helpful.

also, my IR lapsed about 18 months ago. do i still need to fly only a 45 min FAM flight and a 45 min IR check? help would be much appreciated.

thanks
DG

[alphapilot]

hey pls tell me also if it wud be a problem for getting the noc from dgca.

i submitted my application for noc on boeing 737 last week with my friend for training in CAE dubai. i tried to ask a few people there but they did not seemed to know the right answer to this.

my guess is that the renewal must be done in india or in abroad before starting the course with dgca examiner or examiner of the country you are going for training.

pls if anyone knows about this do let us know.

[vinny15]

@alphapilot

I think that it should not be a problem of not having ir current.
If a IR check is done in the type rating then it should be sufficeint.
Anyway I have asked a few people to try and confirm about this issue, but I dont think we need to worry about it yet.

hey, I also was initially planning on CAE Dubai after looking at CAE bangalore, but now we decided to go to Panam.

so, almost everyone is going for a boeing 737 rating huh ? :sad:

me and my friends are just hoping and keeping fingers crossed that our money does not go waste after spending so much !!! :ugh:
good luck guys.

[jatt_pilot]

hey guys can any 1 give me d cost structure for both PANAM n CAE am still waiting on a reply from them.

btw jet took d add for type rated 737 guys off d web site

[optimus.Prime]

@ jatt-pilot,

btw jet took d add for type rated 737 guys off d web site

Careers (http://www.jetairways.com/EN/IN/Careers/Careers.aspx)

Not quite!

@vinny15,

Read post #1 Above.

[jatt_pilot]

wow my bad ,,,, probably lack of sleep but i could ve sworn there was nothin there when i googled it :P
3 cheers for jet :)

btw any 1 with a fee structure for the 737 TR from panam or / and cae
would be grateful

[shakti8405]

hi everyone...
i think there will be a problem after taking this rating...B737 IR will lapse in 6 months....for getting job again you have to renew it....and it will cost around 1-1.5 lakhs.....
And Panam doesn't know all the paper works required for DGCA....i think CAE is better option..
I m also planning for CAE Amsterdam

[revtech]

how much is CAE charging for a 737 type ?

[suryakant311]

Yes that is correct.They will not issue you NOC if your IR has lapsed.And even if you'll get NOC without IR renewal,they may put you in problem when you come back to DGca for 737 endorsement.
I recommend if you get Noc from DGCa by chance without IR renewal then don't forget to do IR check abroad or in india before applying for 737 endorsement.

And then you can apply for both in DGCa(i.e IR renewal and 737 endorsement.)
:ok:
Thanks.

[sierra_november]

"how can you give a check ride ...on 737 when your ir has lapsed ..."

I guess most TRTOs require a current IR as a prerequisite and therefore DGCA requires one to have a current IR in order to issue the NOC.

Air India never asks for a current IR while hiring (non-type rated) pilots , how do those guys get their NOC ?

and this is from the DGCA website

"4. Extension of Instrument Rating— For extension of Instrument Rating to include an additional type of aeroplane, an applicant shall be required to produce evidence of having satisfactorily completed the flight test in accordance with para 1(e) in respect of the type of aeroplane for which the extension of Instrument Rating is desired. The flight test shall have been
completed within a period of six months immediately preceding the date of application for the extension of Instrument Rating."

and this is para 1(e):
"(e) Skill— He shall have demonstrated to the satisfaction of the Examiner his
competency to fly an aeroplane in respect of which Instrument Rating is desired, solely with the aid of instruments by undergoing an instrument flying test within a period of six months immediately preceding the date of application for the rating.The flying test shall be carried out in accordance with the syllabus as prescribed by the Director-General. The Director-General may, however, allow such tests or part thereof to be carried out on an approved simulator for the type of aircraft."

and here's what DGCA has to say about IR renewal (from the same document)

" 3. Renewal— The Instrument Rating may be renewed on receipt of satisfactory evidence of the applicant :
(a) having satisfactorily completed the Instrument Rating Flight Test as laid down in para 1(e).
(b) having a valid Flight Radio Telephone Operator’s Licence issued by the
Director-General for operation of radio telephone apparatus on board an aircraft. "

The requirement for having a current IR is not mentioned anywhere under 'Extension of Instrument Rating'.

the way I see it, DGCA is just trying to filter out applications, for having a current IR on C152 or a light twin has nothing to do with getting an IR on 737...

[optimus.Prime]

Air India never asks for a current IR while hiring (non-type rated) pilots , how do those guys get their NOC ?

They dont! All their Training (Incl. the Type) is done in-house, right here in India!:ok:

[Pulkdahulk]

hey guys,

Do i need a DGCA NOC for doing a type rating if i do NOT have an Indian CPL but I have a FAA license and want to do the DGCA Type Boeing 737 in the USA and once done get the license done and put it on the Certificate. I am almost done with my RTR(Permit) as i have Canadian CPL and Canadian RT and I have my FAA CPL and FAA RT too. Just need to pass the CPL conversion this attempt - fingers crossed on the stupid exam. :ugh::ugh:

[picollo]

Just out of curiosity for all you guys buying your type ratings.

If the airline you guys were aiming for starts asking for 100 hours in type would you consider paying for it?

If the same airline asks you to work for 6 months without pay , would you still sign up?

What if the airline offers you a job making 1000 USD a month and 4 days off with recurrent training on days off and then if you are eligible for upgrade to pay for your captain training, would you still sign up?


I am just curious as to how far one would go to get an airline job these days.

Also, remember that this is a very slippery slope. Once you guys start paying and buying types, it wont be long before the above mentioned things come true.

[sierra_november]

A very good post by Picollo.

@ optimus

I know a couple of guys who were sent to CAE Dubai by Air India Express (in 2008) for their 737 type rating.

[SuperflyTNT]

@Picollo

Very well said.

I wish pilots understand it and act accordingly. It is just depressing to see this sudden burst in pilots rushing to get their type rating done! Nothing wrong, their time. money and what ever else that is involved. But, it's another way of giving in to the pressure created by these airlines!

But we should also remember, desperate needs call for desperate measures !

[picollo]

Believe it or not, quite a few of us were in your shoes.

Job hunting in aviation is not for the weak of heart. But if you persist , you will get there.

Paying for your job is only going to lower the terms and conditions in the future.
Look at Air asia, bahrain air, Easyjet, Ryan. This is going to be India's future.

You start paying now for type ratings, next thing you know you will be paying for your recurrent sims.

[Pulkdahulk]

See TNT,

All those above mentioned words by others are the truth and India is a useless country when it comes to these. There is no place for talent or skill or ability. Who you know, how you know and what you can do to get in. I cannot recall how many actually got in the last 2 years by MERIT. They had a inside connection or have worked on the Aircraft before or something related.

Air India have jobs openings - One useless company to even work for. Corrupted Management coupled with politics. Useless service in first class. The international segment is good. But with RBI now splitting with SBI Bank, and India is the only place where such airlines have such huge debt, I cannot but see them have problems in the next 5 yrs with fiscal budgeting. It may look good 3-4 years, but give it the end of the 4th year and you will SEE problems.

Jet Airways - Okay - we have been hearing many news that Openings are coming. No Influence or nothing of that sort- Are you seriously kidding me? No influence - So everyone tells me that all those Politicians or their relatives will go stand behind the line just like all the sincere CPL holders " Get in line" sort of deal and get a job!!!

Air India hired batch of students for their ab-initio training. They are still stuck doing ab-initio. They are doing it at Fly Orlando Flight Training, KISM, Florida. How do I know? I work close by - If those guys are stuck doing their training - they are about 9 months backlogged, these new hirings coming along - What is their Future???

Indigo is doing good for themselves. One Airline you have to appreciate their way of doing Business.

Spice jet is getting back on track.

Kingfisher Airlines- Others may comment - I have no clue from the inside.

Many just cannot digest this fact - In this economy at this very moment -there are many suppliers (Us) than demands (Positions) - as such, the ball of decision making is with the Airlines, not with US.

It holds good that we should know what aircraft we are going to fly for definite reasons before we venture into a type - and that is what many conclude to doing Airbus - because its plentiful in India. Now that is wrong decision making. I would suggest people doing Jet Transition rather than a Type.

:ok:

[Pilot 1987]

Hey guys I have a valid CPL/IR with 200 hours experience.....now i'm planning to go for 737-200 rating.....how much will it cost ??

[FlyingManutd]

737-200 will cost 8000$ not more than this.

[princegulati121]

Hello frnds,

I have got the NOC for B737NG type rating and my IR is lapsed , but in NOC a general point is written that the licence medical and ratings of the trainee pilot should be current during the training and cheks.

Please comment , whether one should renew IR before going for type?

Thanks

[TAPAN22]

Hey guys...wat all docs we need to attach to get NOC 4m DGCA...
or a simple application will do d work???? :zzz:

[suryakant311]

yeah its madness to rush for type rating without job assurance....i went to DGCA to get my NOC on B737NG...i asked them and they told me ,more then 1000 NOCs issued till 09/07/2010....So,now im not going for type rating.

[maipak]

Guys Anyone Got Idea About Rj Flight Academy Dubai....plz Let Me ...i Am Looking For Type Rating..heard That Its Approved By Dgca And Training Is Done At Cae Emirates Academy .............plz Let Me Know..

[maipak]

Just Attach Ua License Copy And Written Application.....dats All

[Ridge Runner]

Hello guys!

I'm curious. This NOC. How does that work? If you take the type rating out side of a DGCA TRTO what are the minimum requirements of the training in order to get an endoresment?

Who applies for the NOC? The TRTO or you?

Thanks,

RR

[Capt_Lsd]

doesn't look like a good idea to get one,,just heard 90 guys in AI are scheduled to train for the 737NG and ground school has been going on for a while now.these are 40 guys who were put on the triple seven's ,but now shifted to 737's for what ever internal reasons (you may call it shortage),+ 50 cadet pilots (engineers) on the 737's,,that's around 90 odd people on it,,,,
and jet of course has got their 40-50 odd guys for the 737Ng also,,
future on the 737 seems volatile ,,specially with so many SSTR's in prospect..
,an A320 might just be the better way to go.(MAY BE) that's if you really want a TR.

[Ridge Runner]

Hi Capt Lsd. Any ideas on my question above? You sound like an informed fellow.

Thanks,

RR

[Capt_Lsd]

@Ridge Runner..
well its you who applies for the NOC..once you get that from the DGCA,,it lays down the requirement which needs to be fulfilled by you at any TRTO.So first thing first get an NOC,,refer to the requirements and follow it so as to be eligible to apply for an endorsement on the DGCA lic as well.:ok:

[Ridge Runner]

Thanks Capt Lsd. Where do the DGCA publish the requirement? I'm searching the site and I am lost so far!

[avalanche007]

well requirements are given to you in NOC itself so you need not search on site as you wont find anything

[avitrz]

LOI FROM INDIGO

Hey guys,i have a letter of intent from Indigo,and they are sending me to CAE madrid for the A320 type rating,do i still have to apply for a NOC,as i am sponsoring myself for the rating?
any inputs will be highly appreciated.Thank you.

[shanx]

Yes, you do need the NOC before carrying out training abroad.

You need to submit a written request to CFOI (FID) for the same.

Im surprised though ... are you guys completely on your own on this one ?

No assistance from the airline at all in even getting this little bit of paperwork done ?? :confused:

[bhave1988]

@ Avitrz

dude how much are u paying for ur A-320 type rating in CAE Madrid?

Please reply

[Niksabharwal]

so no one till now has really clearly mentioned whether IR validity is a must before one goes for their type rating.
Am guessing the rules will be same for the B200.
Any input on IR before type is done will be highly appreciated.
thanks:ok:

[rohandatta277]

I have a question to ask.....

All the airlines which make u do type rating in India... won't they want the candidates to do the type rating with them only....
I mean.. The airlines which have set up their Simulators in India only, would prefer the candidates doing type rating with them and in return get half or watever cost of the rating in return..
In this way they can make money and recover the cost of simulators and even make profit on that... ?????

Would appreciate if people can tel abt the costs of DGCA approved Type Rating on different aircraft along with TRTO.. !!

[rahulndrahul]

I WAS PLANNING FOR CAE TYPE RATING DUBAI FOR 737-NG FROM RJ ACADEMY
BUT GOT NEWS FROM RELIABLE SOURCE THAT MORE THAN 1600 NOC ISSUED BY DGCA ALMOST 90% FOR 737-NG. BUT COMPARATIVE VERY LESS 320 RATED PILOTS. I AM CONFUSED TOTALLY. ALSO I CANT RISK A HUGE SUM OF MONEY INVESTED FOR TYPE RATING ALSO HEARD THAT MORE THAN 300 APPLICATION FOR JET WITH 737-NG. WHATS THE BEST OPTION AVAILABLE NOW :(:ugh::rolleyes:

[sfa_trainee]

Guys A Gamble Is A Gamble...calculations Dnt Work In It

[37thousandfeet]

my DGCA IR lapsed 6 months ago.
So for make the DGCA IR current, can i go back to US and fly, and make IR current and then do the type there itself. is it approved.?
or should i fly in india first to get the IR current and then get the NOC from DGCA and then do the type abroad?
which one is approved and good..!

[jimmygill]

Guys A Gamble Is A Gamble...calculations Dnt Work In It

Been to Vegas?

[aviator_hyd]

Hey guys would anyone be able to tel me what does DGCA want as supporting documents with the application for obtaining a NOC, can anyone let me know what syllabus are they looking for?? i couldnt find anything on their website..
would appreciate your inputs.

[flyhigh320]

Hello,
I am an indian CPL holder. But my indian RT has lapsed in sept 2010. I am in the USA. can I still do my 737 type rating after taking N.O.C from DGCA , do my type rating without valid indian RT, renew my RT & submit my papers for endorsment after renewing the RT.
The school is ok with the lapsed RT here in USA
plz advise I am in a confused state.

[PT6A]

No, you need to come back to India get the RT and then ask for a fresh NOC.

Ppppppp (proper preparation and planning prevents piss poor performance)

[nibraska]

HI there,
I was just wondering what is NOC??


Regards

[AviatorVette]

No Objection Certificate

[aviator_boeing747]

would be leaving last week of feb, looking for a TR partner. if intrstd pm me...

[airbus320fan]

Hello guys,

Has the DGCA approved few TRTOS in such a way that an NOC is not needed?? If no what are the documents needed for the NOC??Any help/advice would be much appreciated .

[Ridge Runner]

Has the DGCA approved few TRTOS in such a way that an NOC is not needed??

No.

Check out AAG http://www.alphaaviationgroup.com/news-events/page/2

:) good luck

[FMSguru]

Hi Friends iam willing to do a Self sponsored type rating on B-737NG and have collected all the documents required for it. But my agent has told me to submit them at Mumbai DGCA Regional office, as all the students who went through him have done it at Mumbai itself. Whereas the DGCA people at Mumbai say that it should be submitted at FID delhi.

Hoping to get a help on this. :confused:

Regards,
FMSguru :ok:

[aditya104]

NOC not required now. But you need to send some documents from TRTO or FTO to DGCA in a sealed envelope before training commencement. For other changes that took place on this topic, click on the following: CAR Section 7 Series 'B' Part XIX - Procedure for undergoing Endorsement Training on aircraft used for Scheduled, Non-Scheduled and General Aviation Operations. (http://dgca.nic.in/cars/D7B-B19.pdf)

[aviator_0088]

Anyone who did their TR recently, what are the NOC requirements? Technically one doesn't need that NOC from DGCA anymore, but then what exactly are the documents required to be submitted before the commencement of the TR?

Help appreciated.

[avicon]

What percentage of Indian CPL holders are now going for 737 and A320 TR?

Is it still considered advantagous in terms of job vacancy to go for B737?

[RP-C000]

pls contact Martin Williams <[email protected]> ([email protected]) AAG trains on 737NG for Jet Airways / Spice / AIX

[ITAviator]

1. Which is the best option for TR in terms of finding a quick job in India/anywhere, 737 or 320 or ATR? Why?
2. Which is the cheapest and reliable place for each of the TR in the world?
3. Once Type Rated, the recency expires within 6 months. If we don't find a job by then, can we still apply for the airlines and get current after being selected or should we be current to even apply?
4. Is this the right time to get a TR or should wait for this slump period to pass?
5. Is it best to wait to be selected or Self sponsored TR?
6. Whats the haggling that has to be done with DGCA for NOC or other stuff for TR?