Gulfstream Operators UK [Archive]

Rusty Trombone

21st Jun 2010, 20:52

Thanks for all the feedback best stay away from that one on my year off with NJE, it sounds like a complete and utter mess, no wonder no one stays. I heard 2 pilots were let go in the last 12 months as well today due to the CP ego.

BIG//40/FL260

22nd Jun 2010, 11:07

As a NJE employee you'll be a professional corporate pilot and thus will probably have eliminated yourself from consideration by one of the two midlands operators. I understand that all their corporate pilots have gone and they seem now only to recruit from one particular airline.

northern boy

22nd Jun 2010, 11:43

Hello Rusty, another NJE G5 on the scrapheap/year off here. I've been banging my head against a brick wall with other G5 operators since last September. Nothing doing. I'm resigned to waiting until December. Hope I can remember how to fly.

Hopefully the next year off might be a bit easier. Then again....

Kelly Hopper

24th Jun 2010, 11:13

Gulfstreamaviator

Please check your pm's

KH

Gulfstreamaviator

24th Jun 2010, 11:46

Not in the same league, but Dana Executive in UAE is recruiting G5, (clasic!!!!!!!) , the only rotation there is the door, crews all fired, for no known reason, except after 2 years most leave anyway, its the sand in the eyes.

Seriously, the add on 350 is rose tinted.

If you are offered the post, ask for the salary....they are reluctant to provide details...... also:

Ask for the housing allowance, or accomodation provided.

Ask for the education allowance, not that expensive for the 4 kids.

Ask if the annual return ticket home can be taken as cash.....

Lastly ask for business class flights for an inspection tour for you and your 4 children.

It gets very quiet over the weekend so dont hold your breath.

There is a thread for DANA on Middle East forums.

glf

Chuck Spanner

24th Jun 2010, 19:35

BIG//40/FL260 is right, Rusty. In fact don't go anywhere near either of the midlands operators if you value your sanity and integrity.

Rusty Trombone

29th Jun 2010, 14:02

All good words of advice I guess I will look in another direction, I spoke with a former pilot recently and he thinks the man needs to see a doctor and have some medicine. its a very odd operation indeed and the CP is a total control freak by the sounds of things, no wonder no one stays? I hear he is now pursuing 2 latest victims in the courts for the training bond. :)

xg284

1st Jul 2010, 22:23

I bet you're glad you asked now Rusty Trombone. Sounds like some of these guys know what they're talking about. :suspect:

DUAL RATED

5th Jul 2010, 21:18

NOW LISTEN HERE YOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How many have heard that before! LOL

Rusty Trombone

6th Jul 2010, 13:57

I have heard that and also whats all this about the GV being a .80 and FL400 max and 58N Standard routing and carrier type landings.

DUAL RATED

6th Jul 2010, 14:29

"this is typical! I knew this would happen!!!!! arrogant little ****!!!! when Oxxxe(son) and I are flying it is like a well oiled machine!!!! working so hard, like a lathe, daddys little soldier!!!!!"

Is that the op your on about? enjoy. great flying and experience if you can survive but no one does

Rusty Trombone

6th Jul 2010, 14:43

Its all about attitudes I dont know whats wrong with people in their 30s and 40s. Its not a flying club and are you one of those farnborough spotty nosed brat pack? if you have a double barrel name and smoke its a big NO NO NO
This was during the telephone interview? the man needs to be assigned a ward and a straight jacket.

Gulfstreamaviator

11th Jul 2010, 11:31

If so I hope she had a strong back.......

Rusty Trombones post was most interesting, and so accurate.

glf

Rusty Trombone

11th Jul 2010, 22:39

This was the link I was sent from recruiter I called her back and told her now not interested and basically withdraw my application.
They are chasing 2 pilots he ran off recently for their training bonds, one is in court for bullying and the other for non payment of bond. DO YOUR HOMEWORK Before you become another vulture to the prey of a GV rating.
His last name says it all, I bumped him to him in LSGG recently and what a total freak.
Total Pilots whom have left in 7 years =8 one only lasting 4 weeks and 3 days?
:E

Gulfstreamaviator

12th Jul 2010, 06:54

I suppose practical knowledge of drift sight is mandatory, too.

glf

DUAL RATED

12th Jul 2010, 12:47

I worked it out a while back and over a 2 year period it was a new one every 4 months and thats not including the Amercian freelancers he used to cover the aircraft when short. Those were the days!!!

Rusty Trombone

15th Jul 2010, 21:17

I have given up on this operation after hearing that the Chief Pilot will type you and then bond you? make your life hell and then find a way to terminate your employment because he does not like you or his son has thrown his teddy bear crockodilly pigs out of the pram.

After discussing this in detail with former pilots 2 of them were in the courts have left me to say no to his offer of employment.

No GV Job or Type Rating is worth the punishment you will endure from this individual was stated by some nice guy I spoke to whom is currently on a Gag order whom was put on the scrap heap after the CP had had his way with him and punished and bully boy tactics. He has just found a part time job flying a regional Jet.

Another Pilot stated that if unfortunately the CP died he would go to the funeral to ensure he was actually dead?

I guess IJM and IJC Gamma all seem normal now :(

DUAL RATED

2nd Sep 2010, 14:50

recent ad out for Gulfstream Capt, it has to be this op based on the wording, who is about to get fired?

# flexible and enthusiastic attitude to merge into existing team.
# High personal standards and good track record required

Rusty Trombone

3rd Sep 2010, 17:53

Well hear we are again with the Mad copper wonder whom sights he has for firing now as he is recruiting yet again or is he retiring? to walking naughty Nigel and Boy wonder needs a good honest rest with Crockodilly pig needing his bottom changing.
:O
Captain for Private Operation Gulfstream

* UK-based, requiring EEC resident, I
* CAO ATP (JAA/FAA),
* Good PIC time,
* flexible and enthusiastic attitude to merge into existing team.
* High personal standards and good track record required.
* References will be sought.
* World-wide long-haul and short haul flying.Please apply via the online
application system.

wigwag

5th Sep 2010, 22:44

Rusty T, where is this advert ?

Cheers

WW

daisychain

6th Sep 2010, 01:17

Just caught up with this thread and surprised it's taken so long to pop up again.
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The court cases seem to be a part of the strategy.
Maybe nobody is allowed to stay long as they might get the ear of the boss and run off with the contract.
Not that this would ever happen - very old skeletons in closets perhaps!
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Incidentally, the '4 weeks and 3 days' guy actually got awarded 6 months pay.
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What would be interesting to know is what view the aviation authorities have on all this - if they even know.
All sorts of issues must surely be raised.
Perhaps it's the Cayman Reg that is providing the haven?
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The other big question is have enough Diners Club points been collected to finally get the Bentley? Surely a taxable perk!

Rusty Trombone

6th Sep 2010, 18:43

Here is the link
Apply for the Captain for Private Operation Gulfstream job posted by Jet Personnel | AviationJobSearch.com (http://www.aviationjobsearch.com/jobs/pilots/all_uk_regions/captain_for_private_operation_gulfstream-70475.html?search_no=11)

Good Luck and schedule your visit to the shrink during and after the interview

Rusty Trombone

6th Sep 2010, 18:45

Dear Daisy Chain
Not sure about the Bentley but the Porsche 911 may have to be traded in against something a little bigger with the event of crockodilly pig needing a baby seat.

Victorian Dad

7th Sep 2010, 20:48

My My Chaps I have been following the comments on this topic and its horrific what this operation has done over the years providing in the CP eyes a flying club is somewhat good in some respect. He certainly has type rated more GV pilots than any one I know.
With the latest victims I just wonder what the owners actually think. Twin Rated and Rusty are very true to the exact detail.
It has to be the worst run operation in history, but with some of the nicest owners. This man has wasted millions on this operation with the way he has carried on over the years and 3 pilots dismissed within 18 months what does that say in addition to the 6 in the last 5 years.
He is indeed a complete and utter mad man and I caution anyone whom goes near the operation to be on their guard, he is a complete bully, arrogant person whom is at best like Robert Diniro in Anaylise this.

Charming person at times until the Jeckyl and Hyde come out of his black country brain of his with a Ruler to slap you across your knuckles.:\

Rusty Trombone

7th Sep 2010, 21:04

wow Victorian Dad you are a man of very wise advice, my advice totally stay away as well.
May be the authorities and a call from BALPA will start the ball rolling or better still a trip to lusanne or monaco to explain to the owners?:\

daisychain

8th Sep 2010, 05:41

Here's the thing.
The CP was originally a constable.
After getting into aviation he eventually took over the Coventry/Birmingham operation whilst the original old boss was still running the family business.
Since 'the old man' retired both he (if he's still with us) and the next generations of the family seem reluctant to question the CP and his methods:
The trail of discarded pilots and the associated costs (including court cases).
The money spent on qualifying CP Junior from scratch.
The grief handed out to Gulfstream, Maintenance and Service organisations, FBOs and Training providers (who must surely add a little something for the humiliating treatment they also receive).
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One has to assume the family and the company directors are aware of all this. They ultimately sign off the accounts.
So it would also seem reasonable to assume he's untouchable. 'Why' is the interesting question and probably one that will never be answered. Not on this forum anyway.
The 'skeletons in the closet' comment and the fact that the CP used to be a PC would undoubtedly be career enhancing.
So it's the aviation authorities that CAN make a difference and it would be rather nice if this little empire was to crumble. The owners and company directors would presumably be grateful to.

jungle drums

8th Sep 2010, 13:01

Does this CP have a UK or JAA/EASA ATPL?

daisychain

8th Sep 2010, 13:08

Fairly sure it's an FAA ticket with Bermudan validation.
Not convinced it's an ATP.

wigwag

8th Sep 2010, 15:47

Does anyone know the reg, and who the owners acutaly are ?

ww

daisychain

9th Sep 2010, 01:53

This guy is Litigious (you'd never have guessed) so one has to be careful.
However, All can be revealed by checking out these threads:
http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-flying-ga-etc/129161-coventry-gulfstream-v.html?highlight=coventry+GV
http://www.pprune.org/spectators-balcony-spotters-corner/255126-birmingham-thread.html?highlight=Dennis+Vanguard
by Captain Caveman and robbreid
http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-flying-ga-etc/269777-gulfstream-iv-vs-birmingham.html?highlight=Gulfstream+birmingham
http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-flying-ga-etc/215973-youngest-challenger-f-o.html?highlight=youngest+challenger
http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-flying-ga-etc/329809-freelance.html
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=73822&highlight=Coventry+based
http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-flying-ga-etc/269777-gulfstream-iv-vs-birmingham.html?highlight=Dennis+Vanguard
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Happy reading!

Victorian Dad

10th Sep 2010, 00:32

Dear Daisy Chain thanks for your input I think this is very informative, Yes i was wondering if the Bermudian BDCA would be interested in this topic. I wonder how many validations they have applied for.
The Insurance for low time First officers is also a issue.

It sounds like he is pretty well protected within the company, however no one bullet proof.
Maybe the former pilots should get together and brain storm accordingly, they have certainly a reputation etc.:uhoh:

merlinxx

10th Sep 2010, 06:27

Yup tis "Brian Viscount" (changed name to protect the innocent):=

DUAL RATED

10th Sep 2010, 09:35

Old boss still there, When he does pass away think the company will probably go public to release cash out the company for the owners. Think that will change things for the CP and empire will crumble, but would guess the aircraft would go with the family as part of the pay off. Think CP only has caa cpl and flying based on FAA ticket and bermudan validation. Should set up a DL appreciation society on face book for those from the past and parties where we dress up in funny tash glasses comedy outfit with a belly and suit on :)

daisychain

10th Sep 2010, 09:37

How many folk monitoring this thread have firsthand experience of this operation?
Anyone that has and feels there are flight safety issues then the first two organisations that need to know are:

Peter Adheman, Flt Ops Inspector
Government of Bermuda, Department of Civil Aviation.

Marcus Doller, Personnel Licensing Specialist
Air Safety Support International (ASSI)

Not allowed to post their Emails here but both can be found by Googling their names.

Human Factors and compromising flight safety are the issues.

The authorities will only take note if a significant number of credible people bring this to their attention.
It doesn't just have to be Pilots. Engineers and ATC most likely also have a tale to tell.

And the little ducks went quack, quack!

daisychain

11th Sep 2010, 02:11

OK. I've done my bit.
Wonder if I'll get a response!
Used @gov.bm and @airsafety.aero

Kelly Hopper

11th Sep 2010, 15:40

Why refer to him as DL? David Leach is his name and he was extremely abusive and nasty to me when I made contact with him. Purely on a personality basis i would never wish to meet him and told him so!

Victorian Dad

11th Sep 2010, 17:28

Dear Mr Hopper
Whilst I do not agree about naming such a individual i do concur with your thoughts etc. I met this complete nut case in marshall aerospace many years ago. He had just transformed from a Jet star to a G111. He had everyone one running round in fear and I remember a young first officer who was on the G111 feel so bad he started to cry he referred to him as spotty nosed brat pack.
Whilst I have flown the wonderful jet star and the G11 and G111/GIV and GV I am unfortunately not as young as my co workers and I do respect their advantage in this fast world I struggle with a Blackberry and PC.:ouch:

I have not bumped in to this fine species for some time, but I am afraid whilst he may be a gentleman and give young people a chance he is indeed border line sycopath and should now be administrated to the wards of local mental hospital.
Shutter Island could be a good place for him, just watched the film with my son and yes he should retire to the lighthouse.
:confused:

weido_salt

11th Sep 2010, 17:48

Well, one may well ask what sort of a hold this guy has on the owners.People don't do well in business or keep a business going by being idiots.

Does this mentioned gentleman have a camera? Maybe he has some photos?

Rusty Trombone

12th Sep 2010, 09:30

I think you have really raised a valid point here, it would be interested to see what the feed back is on this topic. Maybe as PC plod he did some undercover work for the operation.
where is Flintstone when we need him or daisy chain to step in. Anyway I am sure he will find a new pilot and this blog will re-appear in another 12 months time.
I am sure Junior will step in and take the rains some day, but can he actually spell Gulfstream he can always take 50/50 or ask a friend (he has 1) possibly could not ask the audience.

Long live Shrek and Crockodilly Pig.:confused::eek:

daisychain

13th Sep 2010, 17:33

One tale has it that he was 'once upon a time' going to sue Cambridge Airport. Apparently he was forced to divert because he arrived 5 minutes after closing time and the airport had unreasonably closed.
What a truly mighty phone call that would have been when he got on the ground.
Brings tears to my eyes.
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Another gem concerned a freelancer who had pay withheld because he wouldn't accept a later trip. This later trip was 'very short notice' and due to be away for weeks. And the reason it was short notice - the freelancer had always been rostered to do the trip but 'guess who' hadn't actually bothered to tell him. What a brave man that freelancer was and he lived happily ever after - although a few bob short.
Suspect that was another phone call that didn't go to well.
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Always like a good bedtime story.

G3jetman

22nd Sep 2010, 09:58

As a new boy on here I note all you guys that have worked or avoided working for Dennis Vanguard International. I managed to work for many years there (I kept taking medication for it as you can imagine). The family/owners were lovely and I enjoyed all my time flying them around...the biggest problem was the CP and nothing seems to have changed, in fact it seems to have got worse. The son of the CP is the the No 2 there and has been guided by the CP....very worrying!

merlinxx

22nd Sep 2010, 16:05

Folks wish to PM me with a ctc # for DL.

Rusty Trombone

26th Sep 2010, 20:20

G3 Jet man it seems you have expert opinion of this operation is it normal to fly at 58N all the time regardless of weather across the Atlantic and also Morse code was essential as well as not using the thrust reversers on landings until signed off.
:)
I have read his SOP and Contract letters its very concerning to say the least, has he applied these in a court of law lately? I told him to stick his offer where the sun does not shine any more. Im being called back soon off my furlough so all will be normal again.

Victorian Dad

29th Sep 2010, 22:30

Dear Rusty and G3 it seems you have brought up some very valid points its such a shame about the operation as I do remember the passengers and they were indeed delightful.
The current Regime seems like its a spiral continued system and things keep getting churned up again. I wonder when the owners will finally understand. May be the 2 planned court cases against dismissed pilots need to be brought to their attention I am sure they have no idea.

I am a little out of touch on the Gulfstream network as I now fly brand X but it has to be said DVI is indeed the worst possible place to work whilst working under the current manager.

Victorian Dad

29th Sep 2010, 22:33

Dear Daisy Chain
The Bed time stories just get better and better its quite alarming and amusing at the same time.

Herr Reisen

19th Oct 2010, 12:15

They all are aware of the shortcomings of the operation.
Gerald doesn't want to do anything and the Grandsons are not in charge yet!
The operation will continue in the same way until the brothers take over!
This is well down the road. More pilots will get hurt first.
HR.

Victorian Dad

19th Oct 2010, 23:17

Dear HR
I am not sure of all the details etc, all I know is that under the Current Regime nothing will probably ever change or does somebody have something up there sleeve soon. When the senior principal leaves these shores I am sure it will be the shortest Job the manager and the boy will have. I heard recently the boys are looking at a Falcon 2000 from Geneva based management company and they have had enough of the fool and his antics.
Watch this Space

Gulfstreamaviator

23rd Oct 2010, 18:44

I understand that DL has a new boy.

Just finished his TR in Dubai.

Any bets on life expectancy.

glf

Freelance_uk

24th Oct 2010, 18:26

Do we know who the latest victim is? Obviously not an avid reader of PPrune!

Rusty Trombone

26th Oct 2010, 23:49

New Boy on the block with a Type depending on a few things as follows.
1) Sleepless nights with the new crocokdilly pig infant may require them to relax a few things as his son will be so tired to deal with these new tasks in life.
2) Approx 11 Months 3 weeks and 1 day if the principal is still alive.

RRIP all whom Join I wish him her the very best at DVI not for me after my insane interview with Hitler.

Very Odd and insane operation.

Freelance_uk

4th Nov 2010, 01:12

A source tells me its a former G-EVLN Pilot thats joined up! Place your bets gentlemen..........

daisychain

4th Nov 2010, 03:45

Curiouser and Curiouser.
That would be the Rothschild GIV - nice colour scheme, not.
Some years back DL was being considered for management of aforementioned aircraft.
Crewing to be shared with DV and the South African GV operation based out of Farnborough.
Not sure of the outcome but believe the Rothschild family saw the light just in time.
Incidentally it's not difficult to guess where most of the SA Farnborough based guys got their GV rating.

Gulfstreamaviator

8th Nov 2010, 09:53

were seeking extra crew a few years ago, and so secretive, I did not even try the handshake.

glf

FLEXJET

8th Nov 2010, 10:21

The R family, french branch, has acquired an used Falcon 900B.
Gulfstream, Bombardier, Falcon: all have good taste anyway.

DUAL RATED

29th Jan 2011, 11:17

Maybe his days are numbered, unless new aircraft on the way

2000 GULFSTREAM V Jet Aircraft For Sale At Controller.com (http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/GULFSTREAM-V/2000-GULFSTREAM-V/1189913.htm?)

FLEXJET

29th Jan 2011, 23:16

And G-EVLN appeared to be de-registered. Sold to an African (Nigerian?)

Victorian Dad

3rd Feb 2011, 21:19

Fresh Installment from Batman and Robin it looks like it is now official Aircraft is up for Sale, may the Signature ramp now be graced with a smaller aircraft to suit their needs or is it all over and the grandsons are signing up with Tag Aviation.

On a fresher note the recent TV show (little Britain cast)
(Come Fly with me) have a vacancy for new burger bar attendant as Tommy is off on a type rating class, so maybe Robin will have a chance, as for Batman he could apply for immigration control that would suit him possibly.

For Sale - Call, VP-BKZ;GV602 Rolls-Royce CorporateCare, Fwd Galley, Fwd/Aft Lavs, 16 Pax Config, 96 month Inspection, Triple Laseref, Sat-AFIS Datalink. Make Offer!;
Capital Jet Group, Inc.
Phone: (703)917-9000
Fax: (703)917-9001

Rusty Trombone

6th Feb 2011, 09:48

My My well this is news for the book I heard this recently from a contact on friday.
What they going to do now

StressFree

8th Feb 2011, 16:57

The Boy Wonder (FAA CPL) will just order another steak, his third of the day, but you'd better make sure its 8 ozs after its been cooked................and don't you dare have a fag afterwards.

DUAL RATED

9th Feb 2011, 14:24

Victorian Dad
love it Tommy! sums him up, "theres a plane, theres another one" and Batman wouldnt let anyone in the country if he had his way

fade to grey

9th Feb 2011, 17:54

Christ, I'm glad i turned down an offer from this shambles - warning bells ringing with the ' you arrange days off with other crew'.

This chap sounds like he needs sorting out.:mad:

Rusty Trombone

10th Feb 2011, 20:22

Some say that you will only find out its a day off until its actually passed? what I want to know are they throwing in the Leather S.O.P Holdall bags in with the Sale of the GV or is D.L.S going to use them for his next assignment with the blue angels?:ugh:

Bearhunter

20th Feb 2011, 17:06

My Company may have jobs for Batman and Robin but I'm afraid they won't be anything to do with the front end of a business jet. :}

Victorian Dad

25th Feb 2011, 15:52

My Dear Boy, what did you have in mind for these wonderful Duo. I hear they was pretty bad at fixing boats and motorcycles so thats certainly not on the Horizon. Im interested to see what type of position you would have assigned too.

Senior could be a case study for the mental institute brain section, as he would certainly not win any diplomacy awards for local Radio. Unfortunately D.L.S that would not work with as he does not have a Brain just a SIM card programmed by senior with a few actions.