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machdet
12th Jun 2010, 15:59
Does anybody have any info on the engine failure last night out of Durban's new King Shaka Airport? Emirates 776 was heard declaring a Pan and loss of number 2 engine.

helen-damnation
12th Jun 2010, 18:20
I understand it was a loss of oil pressure which led to a shut-down. No big deal as very little heard about it.

Happy landings,

H-D

SOPS
12th Jun 2010, 19:14
info...crew did all well done....that is all you need to know....

G-FULL
12th Jun 2010, 20:53
An Emirates Airlines Airbus A330-200, registration A6-EKR performing flight EK-776 from Durban (South Africa) to Dubai (United Arab Emirates), was climbing through FL300 out of Durban when the crew needed to shut an engine (Trent 772) down. The airplane landed safely on Durban King Shaka Airport's runway 24 about 35 minutes later.

fatbus
13th Jun 2010, 11:38
so gortex are you saying the crew did not follow the ecam? come on really!!!

Fubaar
13th Jun 2010, 12:22
fatbus, I think he means the engine did the shutting down all by itself. Correct crew and ECAM actions came later.

fourgolds
13th Jun 2010, 12:46
crew must be worried if they said the correct PA , or they will face disciplinary action. Hope they watched the " how to make effective Pa,s video."

Payscale
13th Jun 2010, 12:55
I hate to think that I have to share cockpit with childish pilots like the last 4-5 posters. I see that JESS foundation 2 is open for applicant of your calibers..

Get a grip boys
:ugh:

CanadaRocks
14th Jun 2010, 07:25
There are no rules stating that fourgold needs to be sober while posting!

Been there done that, only to delete them the next morning.:ouch:

EGGW
14th Jun 2010, 07:31
Actually chaps, the Captain of the flight said that the first thing SMNC asked him was, had he made the frickin PA to the pax :ugh::ugh::ugh: On the EKALL this morning :ok: So Fourgolds wasn't too wide of the mark after all :\

EGGW

fourgolds
14th Jun 2010, 09:43
I was trying to highlight the idiosyncratic nature of our job and how its changed over the years from merely flying the aeroplane. Like it or not / childish or drunk. No one here can deny that crews have been called in for not wearing their hats , for not signing voyage reports etc etc.

...and as the moderator said. One of the first things asked was ' did you do a PA' , very similar to my own experiences here.

I was also highlighting the nature of the system in general.
Its called " satire" for those who have never heard of it.

dustyprops
15th Jun 2010, 04:06
Love it Fourgolds. You shouldn't have deleted your other posts (He self moderated, unlike this :ok:)

And SOPs, your post makes me laugh. All hail the all knowing SOPS, thats all you need to know.

Payscale
15th Jun 2010, 05:01
Yeah..and thats what PPrune has become....a satire show.

I have no doubt that thats what VPNC asked him. You would be surprised what those chaps in the office are asked by captains. Understand that they are a SERVICE function to you, to SUPPORT YOUR operation. Nothing else. There are some good guyes and a disaster guy. Just like on our side. You just have to learn to use them correctly... hows that for satire :ouch:

Kamelchaser
15th Jun 2010, 05:51
The other day I received a flight plan with "please check destination and alternate weather before deciding on final fuel load" in the notes section.:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

My point?

In the last few years, the Capt's position at EK has been undermined by every small minded manager (and flight dispatcher/FDM/station manager) who thinks they all know how to do our job, and is quick to try to tell us how it should be done. Or even worse, those who spend hours reviewing the data from the comfort of a quiet office and then decide you should have diverted to another alternate because it was 10 miles closer at the time of your engine failure.

Unfortunately, every incident is reviewed by the hanging committee to see if you've put a (minor) step wrong.

It comes down to knowing your job as a skipper, and not being intimidated by the ubiquitous psuedo-captains who think they know who to do our job better than we do.

Sataybox
15th Jun 2010, 07:28
Fourgolds, I got your sense of irony; you needn't have deleted your posts. If these fools cannot figure it out, then leave them to cry over their keyboards.

To echo what the chaser of kamels has said, our management heap as much responsibility as they possibly can onto the shoulders of the Captain, so that when the **** hits the fan, they will have someone to blame.

In return and at the same time, they remove as much AUTHORITY as possible from the same Captain over what goes on aboard the aircraft and involving the passengers he has responsibility for.

You only have to read through the FOM and OM-A to see this.

"please check destination and alternate weather before deciding on final fuel load"

I wish they had the balls to write that on every flight plan, instead of just the ones where they think there might be a problem and want to pass the responsibility for it to YOU.

That's right up there with the ignorant and insulting DISCLAIMER at the bottom of the ACARS messages from VPNC, etc, when they decide to get involved.

FLying in circles while you make a PA is great - right up until it becomes the critical factor in the time it took a fire to burn through a spar or a fuel line or whatever and disaster results.

Then the VPNC will say, "But HE was the captain. He shouldn't have stopped to make a PA if he didn't think it was suitable. It says so in the OM-A. "

They are loathable bottom-dwellers.

FlyingCroc
16th Jun 2010, 22:23
That sums it up :yuk: