Jetstar Pilot texting during landing

[Chronic Snoozer]

From the SMH

Pilot 'texting during landing' (http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/pilot-texting-during-landing-20100611-y3l8.html)

More than happy to wait for further information before commenting. :oh:

[conflict alert]

have a read of (sorry, don't know how to 'link') TAIC (NZ) investigation report 03-004. PA31 controlled flight into terrain. This was an accident where the aircraft flew into terrain short of the runway at Christchurch flying the ILS with tragic results. One of the findings was the Pilots cell phone was being operated in the final 3 minutes of flight.

[pa60ops]

Well, if its true it will easily come out - its childs play for the authorities to find out almost exactly where a phone was at a given time and whether it was being operated, provided it was actually on the network at the time. :ouch:

[preset]

If it was a breakdown in SOPs maybe the new cadet pilots will alleviate that in the future. Everybody knows the younger generation dislike texting & the like :rolleyes:

Please note the above is in no way meant to imply any texting was being carried. I'll wait for the official report.

[billyt]

How does anyone know he/she was texting. Only the other pilot would know. If true then surely it would have all been kept in house and sorted.

[Brutus]

If true then surely it would have all been kept in house and sorted.

Are you suggesting it is standard practice to flout the Transport Safety Investigation Act 2003?

[Mstr Caution]

I thought this issue was put to bed years ago.

I'll reserve my opinion till a final report is released.

Jetstar backflips over pilot accusations (http://www.frequentflyer.com.au/community/open-discussion/jetstar-backflips-over-pilot-accusations-7834.html)

[Toruk Macto]

Maybe his phone was switched on as in forgot to turn it off, and as the plane approached the airport his phone connected to the system and he recieved some texts. Can they tell if it was an incoming or out going text when they match up his text times with the landing times. They need proof , so CVR or other crew member as witness. Maybe go around was just unrelated . Wait for report

[YoDawg]

It's not hard to forget to switch off the phone on departure if it's sitting inside a bag. Maybe this guy left his on and it went off as it came into range of a cell and the backlog of messages arrived, during landing.

pilots on an A321-200 travelling from Darwin received an on-board warning when the aircraft carrying 167 passengers was only 122 metres above the ground on approach

Whatever the reason for over-looking the gear, they appear to have selected landing flap (and triggered the config. warning) at less than 400ft. Is this normal in JetStar? What are the JQ stabilised approach criteria regarding flap?



Of course, it's always possible, even probable, that the halfwit, semi-literate "journalist" who wrote the article has the facts wrong.

[Mstr Caution]

Whatever the reason for over-looking the gear, they appear to have selected landing flap (and triggered the config. warning) at less than 400ft.


Larger jet aircraft will get a gear warning at 800ft rad alt (on approach)regardless of flap position if the gear is not down a locked.

[billyt]

Quote "Are you suggesting it is standard practice to flout the Transport Safety Investigation Act 2003?"

Not at all. I am questioning that it really happened at all.

[Mstr Caution]

What's the big fuss about anyway?

They were more than 10 times higher than the landing gear / go round thrust incident at tullamarine 2007.

[Mstr Caution]

How does anyone know he/she was texting. Only the other pilot would know. If true then surely it would have all been kept in house and sorted.


Billyt - There was a previous incident where it was unable to be keep inhouse & sorted. See the ATSB report on tullamarine in 2007.

Besides, are you implying it should have been resolved between the flightdeck crew only, the airline only or discretly by the ATSB so the travelling public is left in the dark.

[Brutus]

The very idea that
it would have all been kept in house and sorted
is what is leaving me a little bemused.

If true then surely it is a reportable matter as required under the Act. Once the report is submitted to the ATSB, as required, it becomes a matter of public record.

Previous incidents would seem to give credence to the notion that "keeping it in house and sorted" is indeed the prevailing attitude.

[t_cas]

Brutus, as the name implies maybe a bit brutal..... Otherwise next time someone farts on the flight deck that would be a 225 as it can also be a little incapacitating and therefore immediately reportable!

I am sure the intent of that post that got your attention was meant to allude to a most likely innocent error of leaving the phone on and receiving a text on approach. Regardless of why and how now, I guess now that it is news we will have to wait for the report and a possible outcome of a career ending instead of a career adjusted for the better, that is the sad part. We are human and that requires a humane outcome.......

Discipline in the cockpit is not innate, it is acquired from your fellow mentors. Errors are made on every sector, it is how we deal with those errors that separates our profession from most others. I give them the benefit of the doubt as fellow pilots and wish them a sensible outcome.

[Brutus]

The event itself doesn't really interest me t_cas, as you pointed out, it's most likely human error. That sort of thing happens every day.

What I was hoping to explore was the idea of "keeping it in house."

[Simon Templar]

........he was receiving instructions on how to land.

[A. Le Rhone]

Sounds like journos on the prowl here....

It's quite obvious what happened. Airbus have developed an A320 App for the iPhone. The pilot was simply selecting Gear Down using this App. What's the problem?

[t_cas]

A le ronda,

Point taken, as I understand, the Boeing apps are a little behind the airbus ones so I am a little frustrated!

Keep it nice......

[HotDog]

It amazes me that most everybody , on this thread so far, has actually accepted the press bull$#*t report of pilot texting before the go around. Presumed to have been caused by a configuration warning that the press has diagnosed as not having selected gear down for landing. It has made headlines and national news on TV:ugh:

[Metro man]

Very possible for the phone to be receiving text as it comes into range and the stored messages get picked up or "Welcome to..." if flying internationally.

As the pilots are still flying and not under suspension it doesn't sound too serious.

At my airline the landing checklist is normally completed at 1500' agl, anything out of order will show up in blue on the ECAM and should be noticed as part of the checklist. A320 will give a gear warning at 750ft with power back or 750ft with flaps 3 or full regardless of power. If the warning had been received at this stage and the gear then was lowered, there wouldn't have been much time for the cycle to complete and to finish or redo the checklist. I've seen that before.

A go around is almost always the safer option, even in the simulator the instructors don't want you to push on with a bad position just to see if you can get away with it. If you don't meet the requirements for a stabilized approach and have the necessary minima, you throw it away.

Obviously wait for the full report but that's my 2 cents worth.

[Toruk Macto]

Even a very basic phone will try a resend of a message that did not get sent the first time , ie he /she text before departure and did not send and with no signal until landing it then resent on arrival. A good defense can be put together very quickly.

[makespeed250kt]

Right on Hotdog.

I also wonder how the SMH get away with headlines like that. Who is Matt O'Sullivan quoting when he says Pilot 'texting during landing'. If Jetstar were my baby, I'd be more than a little upset by headlines like that. Some of these journo's need to be held to account.

[Gas Bags]

Makespeed 250,

I couldnt agree more with you regarding the journalists (for want of a better term) who should be held accountable. Particularly the second rate Matt O'Sullivan who is little more than a tabloid journo who regularly writes 'stories' that have no grounding in fact, and are compiled to provide the unwitting public with sensational, scary, aviation news. He does seem to have a thing about Jetstar as well for some reason, as he regularly canes them in his articles. Anybody with a little aviation experience can see straight through his BS.

[Cactusjack]

Seems like just another day in Jouno Land to me -Farcical stories, the confusing of 'fact with fantasy', lies and untruth, unsubstantiated verbal crap and the list goes on. Nothing but a pack of oxygen thieves and cockroaches that require extermination....

[frothy]

We don't want Jounalists. Remember when we had "Reporters"


Wikipedia


A journalist collects and disseminates information about current events, people, trends, and issues. His or her work is acknowledged as journalism.
Reporters are one type of journalist. They create reports as a profession for broadcast or publication in mass media such as newspapers, television, radio, magazines, documentary film, and the Internet. Reporters find sources for their work, their reports can be either spoken or written, and they are often expected to report in the most objective and unbiased way to serve the public good. A columnist is a journalist who writes pieces that appear regularly in newspapers or magazines.
Depending on the context, the term journalist also includes various types of editors and visual journalists, such as photographers, graphic artists, and page designers.

Fancy having to find source, And being objective and unbiased
Another thing giving me the sh!ts is all these female newsreaders(not Journalist) who put their right ear on their right shoulder. Jana has already done that:ugh:
Turn you off TV. Still that's not hard

Frothy

[abc1]

Said pilot forgot to switch his phone off, no biggie happens all the time. Subsequently the ill fated flight took-off.
However the grim face of fatigue then came alive and overwhelmed both pilots putting them both to sleep, mind you this being induced by operational requirements.
Then, many moments later, the said phone came to life from incoming texts of worried relatives and angry ex-wives having not heard from said pilots for days, and the said phone was the ultimate savior of the day, as the pilot was woken up in time, he had no choice but to conduct a go-around(whose actions keeps the press employed)and at the same time have the company's rostering practices exonerated yet again! Give thy blokes another pint!

[Cactusjack]

Frothy,

Another thing giving me the sh!ts is all these female newsreaders(not Journalist) who put their right ear on their right shoulder. Jana has already done that:ugh:


Hey hey settle settle ! Jana was always a former favourite of mine. A true 'ball breaker' was the Ice Queen.That cold hard stare,no fear and dominatrix snarl,she was my ultimate fantasy.Can you imagine her in her former reporting glory doing an interveiw on ACA in lets say a full body rubber suit and hobnail boots ?? Grrrrrrrrrr
Oh how I miss Jana :(

[mauswara]

CactusJ,Jana in "full body rubber ?? Nah,too skinny! How about Sandra Sultry from CH 10.Now you're talking!!

[Paua]

Was it Fast Forward that had the wonderful newsreader named Jena Hardfaced-Bitch? :D