Tucano Paintscheme

[Bob Viking]

RAF - News by Date (http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive.cfm?storyid=D907366A-5056-A318-A8A269EFBA071567)

Call me a sad spotter if you like but I think this looks pretty good!
BV:8

[Privet]

I agree, looks great:ok:

[Gainesy]

Yer a Sad Spotter.:)

Stand by for lots of Joe Public confusion over two-seat turbo Spits.:rolleyes:

And "Why don't we use them for CAS?" (Again)

Looks good, but how about a 1950s-60s Flying Training Command scheme next year?

BTW, what happened to the Hawk in the 1940 camo scheme?

[Bob Viking]

Painted over!
BV:(

[JMP6]

you are a sad spotter, but it does look the part.

:}

[whowhenwhy]

Agreed. Looks great :ok:

Spotter!!:8

[BEagle]

I agree with Bob-the-spotter - it certainly looks very much the part! Hopefully a good recruiting tool as well.

A pity that it has to have the boring modern elf-'n'-safety propeller markings though..:rolleyes:

[TEEEJ]

2010 RAF Tucano Display Scheme and Interview

Global Aviation Resource (http://www.globalaviationresource.com/reports/2010/2010tucanodisplay.php)

Lovely air-to-air image from Geoffrey Lee on the following.

PICTURE: Retro-look Tucanos join BBMF Spitfire (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/05/21/342310/picture-retro-look-tucanos-join-bbmf-spitfire.html)

TJ

[Shackman]

Pity they couldn't have applied the proper wartime 72 Sqn markings (RN - x) to their Tucanos as we managed to achieve with the BBMF's Mk IIa for 72's anniversary in 1994.

PS Nice paint job tho'

[ProfessionalStudent]

You're right Shackman and I have the sqn photo commissioned by Mr Blobby to prove it!

[Dundiggin']

Come on then - let's see the photo....

[L J R]

Actually, it is a disguised story on the new paint scheme that the Tucanos will wear when they go to Afg for COIN ops.....

[ProfessionalStudent]

No scanner, but I'l take a photo of it over the weekend!

[Shackman]

PS

So do I, plus the air to air photos of the fly bys of 'Eniskillen's Own' (RN-S) past Eniskilllen - but no chance of scanning them.

[Buster Hyman]

You're not a sad spotter...not a spotter at all! ;);)

Nice scheme, and more importantly, nice sentiment. I reckon there'll be a few old dears & geezers watching them fly over with a glint in their eye.:ok::ok:

[NutLoose]

Looks pretty, but was there not problems with the Hawk in training that you just couldn't see it against the background clutter at low level?

I.e, the Camo was doing it's job, just a bit to effectively.

[Senior Pilot]

Excellent scheme: and what a splendid bit of formation flying, with those funny spinning things up the front getting in the way ;) :ok:

http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=34315

http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafiles/D8FEC4CE_5056_A318_A852CB2E28EFDBFA.jpg

[Bob Viking]

There's a working group on paintschemes and camouflage somewhere that prohibits aircraft with these special schemes from entering low level. The 19 Sqn Hawk was only allowed at medium level (apart from during departures and recoveries before someone gets smart!). Still hard to spot from underneath during doggers though with the silver underside!!
BV:ooh:

[Alber Ratman]

I didn't think the CWG had such rules on where such designs could be flown. I did see their rule book during the design of the Spotty one and Aircraft Illustrated had a photo published of the Spotty One at the same level as the camera taking the picture (and it was not taking off, landing or when some gizzer was saying "Go on Boss, hard at us!":E) Then again the aircraft was standard scheme underneath.

Oh, I saw the Tucanos today (at my work at Sarfend). Very nice! Also walked around the Hurri IIc (sitting in my place of work). The last Jag XO is picking it up tomorrow! Somebody else will be coming to pick up the "Phantom of the Ruhr" later.:ok:

[NutLoose]

Whilst I applaud them copying the Spitfire scheme onto the Tucano, is there any reason why the port side camo scheme is on the stb side and vice versa, or is one not supposed to notice they have it on the wrong way round.......

[MG]

It really looks good. Top(ish) marks, but......
Along with the camouflage appearing to be the wrong way round, the red centre of the roundel is way too small. It is obvious even before put alongside the Spitfire.
Shame the wx is getting warm again, you don't half sweat in these anoraks in these temperatures!

[Buster Hyman]

Ahh, but the red has to be small so that we don't mistake them for Zero's in the tropics...

[BEagle]

'Wrong way' camouflage seems to be a modern thing. The Hunter and (a few) Lightnings had camouflage in the same direction as the Spitfire and Hurricane, but our Hawks at Chivenor (:ok:) had camouflage in the same direction as those 'Spitanos'.....

Must get a new stepladder....:rolleyes:

[Saint Jack]

OK, I'll take the bait, how exactly does one apply camouflage 'the wrong way'? Answers with diagrams/pictures please. Yes, i agree that the red center of the roundal is too small.

[NutLoose]

Ok I'll rise to that one, spotter mode on........ look at the Spit and the Tucano, the spit is the opposite to the Tucano's scheme.......


OK Pass out the Humble Pie and I will eat it, it appears they have done the scheme to this Genuine Supermarine Drawing.... well, all bar the roundels.

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff321/taylortony/Spitfire%20MKx1x/SpitfireDrawingsmall.jpg

[BEagle]

OK, I'll take the bait, how exactly does one apply camouflage 'the wrong way'?

Left-handed painter with right-handed brush?

OK, OK, I'll..........

[Alber Ratman]

I really don't know who painted it but some stations P&F sections had people who knew what they were doing.. And some didn't.. This was before the trade was decimated 3 years ago, but civvy aircraft painters tend to be similar (with what I've seen). Painters and Dopers was never only refering to the fabric tensioner was it!!:E

[AndyBuckley]

Top side camouflage was sprayed on using pre-cut rubberised mats so there were variations on a theme.

Scheme A (mats on as per Tucano)
Scheme B (flip the mats over, result as per Spitfire)
Scheme C (as per A but colours transposed)
Scheme D (as per B but colours transposed)

There was apparently a 'cunning plan' for aircraft with serials ending in an odd number to be in Scheme A, and those with even serials to be in Scheme B. This appears to have been a short lived 'cunning plan'..!! Scheme C & D were probably just the paint shop misreading the official drawings; the hatched area in the drawings was meant to represent the lighter colour but appears to have been sprayed in the darker colour.

The roundels are correct for Battle of Britain markings; the later style roundel with the thin yellow and white rings wasn't introduced till mid 1942.

I shall now retire to my darkened cave and wait for the medications to kick in whilst contemplate buying yet another monster lens with a lens cap the size of a dustbin lid..!!

Rgds

[TEEEJ]

AndyBuckley wrote

The roundels are correct for Battle of Britain markings; the later style roundel with the thin yellow and white rings wasn't introduced till mid 1942.

The Spitfire pictured in formation with the Tucanos is wearing Battle of Britain markings.

Battle of Britain Memorial Flight - Spitfire P7350 (Mk IIa) (http://www.raf.mod.uk/bbmf/theaircraft/spitfirep7350.cfm)

Battle of Britain Memorial Flight - 92 Squadron - Geoffrey Wellum (http://www.raf.mod.uk/bbmf/theaircraft/92sqngeoffwellum.cfm)

You can see the correct roundel ratios on the Global Aviation Resource article.

Global Aviation Resource (http://www.globalaviationresource.com/reports/2010/2010tucanodisplay.php)

A very early roundel modification produced the following strange result, but it still differs considerably from the roundel on the camo Tucanos. It appears that something has gone wrong with the roundel ratios on the camo Tucanos.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Tuck.jpg

From following forum.

Robert Stanford Tuck Spitfire Mk V (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?topic=269235.15)

You can see the roundel ratio on QJ-F at the following link

http://www.techmod.pl/techmod/images/48000/48001-02.jpg

TJ

[hurn]

Have to agree that the scheme really does suit the Tucano.
Just a shame their engines don't sound anywhere near as good as a Merlin though. :{

[TEEEJ]

Some further examples of 66 and 92 Squadron Spitfires.

LZ-X of 66 Squadron

RAF - Battle of Britain No.66 Squadron (http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/bobno66sqn.cfm)

LZ-F of 66 Squadron

Clavework Graphics (http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/supermarine_spitfire/spitfire_mk1_005.html)

QJ-S of 92 Squadron

http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/supermarine_spitfire/Mk_1_GB_92Sqn.png

QJ-D of 92 Squadron

http://www.rafweb.org/Markings/92Sqn6.jpg

TJ