Ramp allocation ???

[ozyy]

How the ramp allocation looks like at your station, as an exercise I would like to compare and measure proficiency of operations and I have never came across the book that would tale you about OPS planing and staff.

For example here at Luton we have Ramp team who does the steps and push backs, loading team of 3 man to turn A/C around and do inbound team of 4 man and finally dispatch.


Thanks.

[merlinxx]

Be specific !

Do you require 'manpower application to task' info ?

Ramp/stand allocation is not a handler function...

[ozyy]

yes, that's the one. How do you allocate the staff to specific task during the day lets say you have 50 turnarounds through 12h. and 10 overnight stops. I am working on shift pater that would suit the task, my solution is 4 on 4 off 2 - days 2 nights 12h shifts.

hoverer because most departures are by 09:00 I have to make nights starting at 22:30-08:30 so the majority of early departures will be covered, day sifts working on 06:00-18:00

with part time staff coming on 06:00-10:00 and 18:00-22:00

I have some more info to the task so can post it or pm.

It's my home work from college so I have some time, just cant find any book that would set the example.

We have staff limitation. So to find right pater with possible minimum staff involved.

Thanks for help

[The96er]

I would work on your spelling and grammar before submitting your homework. :rolleyes:

[GRIZZLER]

dont think what you say about the night shifts can be correct.....i have been doing 19.00 till 06.00 now on permanant nights for nearly three years..4 on 4 off....nobodys said i should not be doing it.

i have even done a 22.00 till 09.30....thats a killer....by the time i got home to bed it was 11.00.

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

<<If you work any 3 hours between 11pm and 6am, then your maxium shift length is 8 hours by law.>>

I think you'll find that many ATC staff work longer than that. When I retired the night shift was 10pm-7am and I believe that is still the case at some units.

[GRIZZLER]

maybe you should have read on a bit more...scroll down and look at the bit called {calculating simple working patterns} there it talks about 12 hour night shifts and how it all adds up after a 17 week cycle.

[ozyy]

Sorry for the spelling...

So you guys telling me that shifts 22:30 till 08:30 and 21:30 till 08:00 are illegal IN UK ??

These shifts have been approved by TNG union and Unison and I have been doing them for past 6 years.

Can some one clarify that.


And back to the subject is there any model of ideal roster that I can have a look on and ad least start from there ??

[eglnyt]

If you work any 3 hours between 11pm and 6am, then your maximum shift length is 8 hours by law.


Not always the case. Certainly for some jobs the shift length must not exceed 8 hours but for most jobs it is an average of 8 hours and there are many exemptions for particular industries including ATC and Flight Crew.

[ozyy]

This restrictions apply to Ground Handling Company's ???

there is a link to CAA report on direct.gov.uk but CAA only applies in that statement to AIR CREW not handling agent.

The rules about working at night | Business Link (http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?r.s=sc&r.l4=1074014429&r.l1=1073858787&r.lc=en&r.l3=1073858926&r.l2=1084822788&r.i=1073792311&type=RESOURCES&itemId=1073792309&r.t=RESOURCES)

"For workers dealing with special hazards or under mental and physical strain - there can be no averaging at all - the eight-hour daily limit is absolute."

Can we call loading as a stressful job? as we are prepared to deal with the hazards.


So if someone can provide answer for that please.

:confused:

[GRIZZLER]

also look at ...exceptions to night working limits....it says...limits on night working do not apply if....you are working in an industry with busy peak periods like agriculture,retail or tourism....which most airport work is.....lots of tourists.

[SteadyEDI]

also look at ...exceptions to night working limits....it says...limits on night working do not apply if....you are working in an industry with busy peak periods like agriculture,retail or tourism....which most airport work is.....lots of tourists.It also says that limits do not apply if 'the job needs round-the-clock staffing'.

I think that applies to most airports.

[skysky]

I dont work in a hotel, or a hospital, farm and some airports are not 24 hours and dont have to be either... no one demands airlines to come in between 11am and 6pm the airlines choose to and the airport chooses to be open. I dont consider myself to work in tourism, were a low life ground handling agent stacking bags for a living.

we are covered by working time directives normaly, ie 11 hours legaly between shifts.

and if your 12 on 12 off thats more than a 48 hours week and an 8 week cycle with 6.5 cycles a year, and i hope youve calculated up exactly how many hours you are actually paid for, we somehow manage to work more hours a year which we are not getting paid for.

[GRIZZLER]

you may be a low life yourself...but myself and the blokes i work with are not....myself i am a chef...i work with brickys,electricians,plumbers,farmers and many other tradesmen.....we have even had out of work pilots keeping there hand in, just to stay in the airline industry....we do the job because of the money....we might grizzle, but we all do a bloody good job....most of us enjoy it or we would not have stuck it out so long.

i work 4 on 4off...11 hour shifts.....i get 27 days holiday....take a look at your calendar...work out how many days you are at home....thats why i do it.

maybe you best look for a job not on an airport....there cant be many airports that close totaly over night....somebody still has to be there ...its not like a shop...lock the doors and go home untill the next day.

get into the real world....before its to late!!!!!

[mantug01]

Ramp Night shift workers on airport can work more than 8 hours. The norm is of them to work 12 hrs.

Exceptions to night working time limits

the job needs round-the-clock staffing (for example, hospital work)



To make long night shifts work (i.e.12 hr shifts) you just need to get your times right to make sure you get you rest periods spot on. e.g. 12hrs rest in a 24hr period. I used to work 19:00 - 07:00 shift.

But the law on rest times can be flexed aswell, there is always a loop hole

[choxs]

SKYSKY - What you on!!

Of course you can do a 12 hour shift under the eu driective, including nights....Transport industry has an excemption and also an Opt Out clasue for staff should they wish to start early or finish late (overtime of course)

I think your getting confused with early morning starts....if you start before 04:00 then there is a legal limit on how many hours you can work...if you start at 4am then you can do upto a max of 9 hours rostered...and then overtime if you chose ontop..

Im guessing you dont work in ground handling SKYSKY......

[call100]

12 hour shift working is also the norm for a lot of other airport departments not just HA's....Security, Airfield Ops, Fire Service, etc...
Hours in the working time directive are averaged over a 17 week period anyway.....
Personally I'd rather do 12 hour shifts and attend less days than always be there on 8's...