Arabian Jets

[BMAN1]

Anyone work for them or have any information regarding company stability, pilot T&Cs, interview expectations, etc.?

Thanks

[Mladen Ostir]

I have a friend recently hired by them.

A new outfit in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Big plans with AOC application underway and currently managing GIV's, Hawkers and a BBJ in the pipeline.
Complete dispatch centre facilities being built and so far my buddy is very happy with the people he has dealt with there. Salaries are not the highest in the region but are still very competitive. Seems a few experienced people already been hired to run the show.

Good luck to them - Saudi is thirsty territory for some quality operators.

:ok:

[LGW Vulture]

Can't tell you about T&Cs but I hear they are in it for the long haul and might potentially be snapping up many of the unhappy folks at NJME. Time will tell.

[BMAN1]

Mladen Ostir,

What does your friend fly?

Their posting on climbto350, regarding a Capt. Hawker 900XP position states, "You can make NET $ 85,000 per year plus operational per diem and other benefits".

Any idea if that's $85,000 annually plus benefits?
Also, would you know what the pay for a Hawker 400XP Capt. is.


Thanks,
BMAN

[Mladen Ostir]

Bman

He has been hired as a Hawker 900 Captain. I don't know the answer to your question, however benefits on an 85K package (tax free) I'd imagine would not amount to more than 5-10K extra per year (Any more would be exceptional in the ME).
Per diems would also have to be added depending on the amount you fly I would imagine. I'm not sure if he's on 3/1 or 2/1 or fulltime, I must ask and get back.
I believe their hiring focus is on folks with Middle East experience at least to start with. He has been over here for five years flying Hawkers. If you've ever lived and flown over here you'd understand why.... probably essential in a start up, to build core experience. The playing field can be very different to 'back home'.

Sounds like a well backed organisation with plenty of $$ to get things going.

Time will tell as always!

:}

[NZ X man]

Here they are running a 3 on, 1 off schedule.

[SU-GCM]

do they have any vacancies at Flight ops ?
Flight dispatchers etc... ?
any contacts for their HR ?

[Arabian Jets]

Gents

Standby on this.

More to come as the framework comes together. Our position is a little undeveloped to start making promises, at risk of not being in a position to keep them.

Suffice to say, AJ will be offering plenty of opportunities to the right people with the right attitudes and background: Pilots, FA's, MXT, OCC personel and Support functions.

Standby for now - watch this space.

Arabian Jets - Jeddah

[mawk]

Hey there..

I am trying to send my resume to AJ, but the website is giving me a lot of trouble.. anyone has a direct email or can send me in the right direction in making contact with Arabian Jets..

thank you in advance

m

[mutt]

Apart from your desire to get a sun tan, there are other issues that you SHOULD consider before accepting ANY job in Saudi........

1: Accommodation - hotel or compound?
2: Transport
3: Family status
4: Schooling
5: Medical
6: Igama or not?
7: Where will your salary be paid.
8: When will it be paid, Arabic month?
9: Is there a curfew?
10: What countries law governs your employment contract.

Open your eyes and ask questions before you jump into something like this. You wouldn't be the first person to get a "non-paying" job in Saudi, nor i doubt that you would be the last.

Obviously as Arabian Jets are not presently operating, I cannot pass comment on their ethics. BUT if you look in this thread you will find someone asking questions about how to get paid by a Saudi employer.

Oh yea, if your friend happens to be a boyfriend..... remember that its illegal for you to be with him in public OR YOUR HOTEL ROOM, this is a crime punishable by lashes and deportation...........

Good Luck.

Mutt

[mohoney]

This has been sent via an unsolicited E-mail to quite a few NJME pilots and Flight attendants company E-mails.


Dear Sir

You have been personally identified by the Arabian Jets Human Capital Pilot
development team in Jeddah as a high caliber individual who may be seeking
to further develop your professional interests within the MENA region. By
considering becoming part of a young, growing and dynamic team of dedicated
professionals you could be taking the first step to making a fresh start for
your personal and professional aspirations.

You have been approached because you have been highly recommended by your
Industry peers. We are focused on populating our Flight Operations with the
highest caliber people we can possibly find in order to build a strong
foundation from which we can achieve our ambitious plans for the future.

Should the prospect of an exciting new change and a fresh start combined
with the ability to make a difference interest you, please find attached a
PAF (Pilot Application Form). If you complete this and email it to the
address listed on the first and the last page of the form:
[email protected] and include the required documents listed on the cover
page checklist we will handle your expression of interest with genuine
priority.

Arabian Jets, is offering a 2 month ON, 1 month OFF schedule with
competitive salary and benefits and will undertake to train a pilot on type
should the ideal candidate present themselves. Current aircraft under our
custodianship include various numbers of the following types: Hawker 400,
Hawker 900XP, Hawker 800XP, GIV, Legacy 600, Challenger 850, Challenger 300,
BBJ. Aggressive and proactive sourcing of more individuals seeking to place
their aircraft with a dynamic and transparent operator is taking place and
Arabian Jets expects further extensive additions to these aircraft within
the coming 12 months. We are also focused on filling key Operational
Management posts for the right individuals with full time residency status
in Jeddah.

It is an unusual and unorthodox method we have employed to establish contact
with you, however, this is just one of many examples of our fresh and
dynamic approach we have adopted to ensure we have given pilots with only
the best reputations, the first opportunity to become part of Arabian Jets.
Take it as a sincere professional compliment that you have been approached
and we do look forward to hearing from you should you choose to explore
opportunities with the Arabian Jets Family.

Kind Regards

Arabian Jets Human Capital

[ashlea]

The poach-by-email approach.
Nothing actually wrong with doing it this way. If they can offer better T&Cs - why not?

[PNCAA]

Hello,

Just want to know the Arabian jets destinations? accomodation: hotel or compounds?

Thx all

[4runner]

Their destinations? Daily non-stop service to Lome, Togo and nightly red eyes to Las Vegas for gambling binges when not utilized for Hajj flights. They've outfitted all the Hawkers and Gulfstreams with high density seating and underwing fuel pods to expand range and were able to achieve an STC for a gross weight increase to allow for the previous modifications. The second FMS was pulled and leased to Flight Safety for their sims and all F/O's are being trained on celestial navigation using Indian DGCA handbooks that are being distributed as we speak. Dude, it's a charter outfit using business jets. They go where they are paid to go, when they are told to do so. No scheduled destination. P.S.-your instructor called, he said your cross country was canceled because of mx but you can do some pattern work if the weather is okay. Sorry guys, couldn't resist:-):ugh:

[NZ X man]

4runner
Oh, Ouch, blood everywhere, but entertaining to say the least. I guess getting the straight scoop on the previous questions from someone who is with ARABIAN jets would help a bit. There are so many crap operators who promise to be professional, then are run by bottom feeders. I see they changed there schedule to a 2 0n, 1 0ff, probably would not get quality pilots , even with the economics other wise.

[ex-nutjeter]

So have things slowed down there or what? I hear that they are not getting aircraft as fast as they were planning, and are not hiring. How many aircraft do they currently have?

[NZ X man]

They had an ad three days ago,(started), for CL-300 pilots, 2 on,, 1 off on the orange site. SO they are still alive and facing Mecca.

Cheers

[batsky2000]

That is true, but that ad as well as any others were gone after being up just 1 day. I think that they are just building a database of applicants for future hiring. I asked a friend who is based there, and he said that they only have 1 G-IV, a hawker 400xp, 900xp. They did not get any BBJ's as planned. Hiring should start back up in 2011. Maybe?

[NZ X man]

Well maybe things are changing in the ME, Netjets was advertising for Gulfstream guys, and the special flight opps is looking again in Jeddah
..

[hawkerjet]

does anyone have any info on special flight ops? I would be interested in q:)ol, schedules, living conditions, or any other pearls of wisdom you may share..

[mutt]

special flight ops? This conjures up visions of black aircraft and dashing crewmembers operating into strange and wonderful places..... :):):)

Mutt :ok:

[NZ X man]

This conjures up visions of black aircraft and dashing crewmembers operating into strange and wonderful places..... http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gifhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gifhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

Well yeah, that is what they do and who they are I think, well rumour has it anyway, except for the black aircraft stuff. I mean have you ever flown into Gassim!

[email4me]

Hi there ,

Is there anyone can share some information about Arabian Jets .
Since they are recruiting Coroprate Flight Attendant .
I will really appreciate some info about rotation ,roster ,compound ,management .
Thank in advance .

[Dominie T1]

For what it's worth, I heard that the CP and DO apparently got themselves some nice new type ratings but then did not meet the insurance requirements and at least one of them got let go. :ugh: (one had no jet time and had bought his own Hawker type rating a few years ago).

If correct, have they hired any new managers?

[B200Drvr]

Don't believe everything you hear, it just makes you look gullible.

[Dominie T1]

Seems to have gone quiet over there.

Beech 200 Driver - feel free to set the record straight if you actually know what's going on at AJ!

[SKM123]

B200Driver ...as chief pilot at AJ please give us the full story

[B200Drvr]

Na, its more fun hearing the speculation.

To be honest, I just don't feel immature enough to have to justify my actions to people who don't have any involvement in the company or my life.

I hope that sets the record straight enough for you Dominie.
PS. You still shouldn't believe everything you hear :)

[international hog driver]

Nice one mate,
Stinky filled me in, have a good NYE and see you about the traps.
Cheers
:E

[Dominie T1]

I was going to say that I appreciate the honesty, but then I saw that you had edited out why you bought your own type rating etc.


Back to the original question though, who is in management over there now? What I can gather from previous posts you are the CP? But then again, I shouldn't believe everything I hear. :rolleyes:

[I.R.PIRATE]

Might be going blind and dilly in my old age, but I can't say I recall anything being edited here Dominie?

[TRF4EVR]

Just interested in hearing current thoughts/opinions/etc on this operation. Talked to the Director of HR today, who sounded very nice and straightforward, but I'm always interested in hearing from all quarters.

Regards,
TRF4EVR

[FrankR]

I'm always interested to learn about MENA operators. Would you mind sharing what aircraft or job it was regarding, and what your thoughts were?

Thanks!

Frank
FR

[TRF4EVR]

Perhaps a bit later! Anyone not wanting to post publically, please feel free to PM me.

[Beserker]

Here's a thought.... RUN! I was always told growing up "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all!" When you get the contract / offer letter, just use it as toilet paper, because that's all it's worth... Nothing will be honored!

[B200Drvr]

As AJ is still a new company, if you have not got patience, understanding of the Middle East, tolerance of other cultures and most of all the ability to muck in and help get things sorted rather than siting around bitchin, then don't join this company.
If however, you have the understanding that Rome was not built in a day, that this is not the "all fantastic" US of A, and that all new companies face new and varied challenges, and you are prepared to try and make things work rather than hoping they will fail, then this is a good prospect.

To many pilots around, not specifically at AJ, but in general, that like to sit back and watch as people around them struggle to make things happen, and as soon as something goes wrong they jump on the "see, I told you so" wagon.
All good things come to those who are prepared to work hard to succeed!!

[Beserker]

This is our CP! Wow you actually believe that BS? You are more screwed up than I thought. So, because AJ is a new company you are allowed to lie and not honor the contracts?

[B200Drvr]

Sorry, I didn't know anybody had a contract at this stage, you must be real special, cause I don't have one.

[Beserker]

Aww isn't that nice? I am really special..... Thanks.

[TRF4EVR]

I guess you two know each other??

So, erm, I like to think of myself as a "get it done" type of guy and I certainly think I've worked hard to get where I am, and don't see any reason to stop now. When you've flown boxes for years on end in ancient airplanes in the middle of the night all by your lonesome, you have to "muck in" as it was put above.

With that said, there are two sides. I work hard, management tells the truth and delivers what they promise. Anyone want to go in to what promises are in dispute?

[FrankR]

I have a few general comments, and a specific one as well.

First, take the best job offered! I always laugh when I read a post from someone with 1,200 hours who asks "should I fly for Delta or American". Do you have multiple job offers? If you have a job, why do you want to leave?

Second, Arabian Jets (like the name implies) is in Saudi Arabia. If you haven't lived there, figure it out.

Third, almost without exception, management companies are imperfect, and none of them revolve around pilots. Like Mr. B200 Driver said, do your job and quit your bitchen because it doesn't do you or anyone else any good. Being a chief pilot (as a few posters have alleged B200 to be) is about the most thankless job in aviation. Until you've been there for a year or two, why not give him some slack?

With that said, I know a guy who has a friend who either works in, or has heard of Jeddah. He says Arabian jets is better than average, pays their bills, and is adding aircraft. In the past few months, they have hired a few and fired a few.

Too bad you didn't say what you applied for, but if you need a job, I'd take it, it's better than average and they pay.

Oh, as a final comment, who the He$$ has EVER heard of an employment contract? If you worked for me, I'd have <that poster> drug tested regularly.

FR

[mutt]

This thread has gone very quiet...... how are AJ doing?

Mutt

[flying dude]

If you like to be screwed in any way possible, that is the place to be.

[FrankR]

Mr. "Flying Dude", do you have any specific stories about things that happened to you, or are you just relaying one sided rumors?

I did see that they are advertising on 350 for a Hawker crew and a 900 crew.

FR

[flying dude]

did work there for few days... Don't even think about it.

[FrankR]

Interesting to note, Arabian Jets seems to advertise quite often for pilots on 350. Their web site doesn't seem to indicate that they are rapidly expanding, so it seems to reason that they have a high turnover like "flying dude" indicates.

I've also had two private emails from former pilots who say that this is a difficult company to work for, so perhaps you should only consider them if you can't find anything else.

Does anyone with first hand knowledge disagree?

FR

[I.R.PIRATE]

Most snakes have a fairly similar body. Its the head that differs.

So pick your snake.

Like anywhere else, it depends what you are looking for. If you want to fly a lot, work hard, and are able accept the fact you are not in Kansas anymore Toto, then AJ is just another Middle Eastern operator, no worse than most out there, and in fact in many aspects it is way better than many out there - so I reiterate: PICK THE SNAKE YOU KNOW HOW TO HANDLE.

:ok::E

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

Only go to this company if you want to work for free. They have had problems paying their bills lately.

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

Looks like another GIV guy got fired or left the company. New advertisement on climbto350.

[FrankR]

I got a PM last week from a pilot who seems to be working for Arabian Jets (He emailed me after my earlier posts).

He said Arabian Jets has fired two DO's, one CP, eight pilots and one director of MX since the beginning of 2011, most of them for no reason other than to avoid paying them (Two or Three more have also quit on their own). He said that there is a law suit for back pay against the company by three of the pilots . He says that they constantly change flight handlers once they run up a big tab for fuel etc.

His latest tale is about the 350 advert for a G-IV SIC. Seems that a G-IV pilot quit, so they upgraded a FO with only 200 hours in jets to PIC and are hiring a new FO, that's why the latest post.

Also, he said that "The king grounded most of the fleet" for some reason, and they now only have two aircraft flying!

All I can say is WOW! Why do these companies do this? "Come work here so we can fire you"!

FR

[mizarlee]

As one of the recent GIV - departing Captains, stay away from these idiots. Yes it is true they upgraded the FO. He first started flying with me this year. Good pilot but no jet time only King Airs when he came to company. If you like 25+ hour duty days go to work for them. The GIV - Captain that replaced me said he had 40 hour days between getting outta bed and into the last bed. Part 91 operation. However after seeing different faces on the jet almost all of the time?????? Chief Pilot would deny deny deny my concerns they were conduction illegal charter operations. After I got a business card from a charter broker as he escorted his passengers on the jet, I again asked the Chief Pilot. This time he said don't worry the FAA nor anyone else could track the money.
Yes they don't pay bills. I had to come up with over $1000.00 US out of my pocket for handling in Dubai. Day was already an 18 hour duty day and company wanted me to sit on jet with passengers until they could fly someone from Jedday with money to pay the fee as FBO would not let us off the jet. Since I still had to fly to Kuala Lumpur I paid the fee to get us going as going to a hotel was outta the option. Now for the good news they put you in apartments 40 minutes north of Jeddah and expect you to sit there 24 hours a day ready to fly at the drop of a hat. No guards, no compounds as highly recommended by the US State Department. Apartments are nice but at a rundown resort on the Red Sea only frequented by Saudis on the weekend. We were told tourists never came there as the place had been hit by terrorists 7 to 8 years ago with about 8 people killed. Job is billed as flying for the Royal Family - Prince Turki Ben Nasser to be specific as I was told by the Chief Pilot. My Saudi visa said "not authorized to work" in Saudi. Company said "don't worry, be happy" not a problem. These people are a problem. They do pay but you never know when you will get your check. When I left it took forever to get my final pay. One last comment about maintenance. I was lectured by the DOM not to ever write up any discrepancies. DOM was to be verbally notified and he would decide what and when to fix. And yes if you don't come 12 months current you must pay for you own training with a promise of them paying for training. After 7 months as their lead captain on the GIV with training coming up - no job! IMHO - stay away. And for the good news when you are gone they make up a total BS story as to why you are no longer with them.

[FrankR]

Two years ago I read from another expat pilot in Saudi who wanted to rent a villa on his own for him and the other pilot that you must live in a compound with armed guards and TWO security walls, one made of concrete.

So you are basically sitting on the beach waiting for the terrorists to come back and kill more people? All this and no beer while you wait!

[mizarlee]

Yep! That is about the size of it. Of course just before I left they hired us a driver from India I believe. This was the first time he had driven a car. No idea what he was doing. Extremely dangerous rides to and from the aircraft. He did bootleg "sid" to anyone who was stupid enough to drink it.

[mizarlee]

And if you still want to work there here is a few points I left out. You don't ever get the contract they promised, therefore they never give you the medical they promisted and therefore you never get an end of service bonus. They advertise - tax free money! HAHAHAH No way! Sure you don't get a 1099 and they don't report your earnings to the IRS but try an axplain away those large monthly deposits in your bank account from Saudi Arabia.

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

mizarlee is 100% correct in his post. Arabian Jets is a terrible company. I still have not been paid my salary or final pay and it has been months. Arabian Jets will be out of business very soon if they keep going like this. If you are thinking about working for Arabian Jets, CONSIDER THIS YOUR WARNING !!!

[FrankR]

wow, how do you guys really feel?

If this is all true, have you explored filing a lawsuit?

It wouldn't be easy, and it would take a while, but have you thought of this??

FR

[mizarlee]

Not really a good idea for me. Sueing someone that has more money than God! is not up my alley. I'm trying to survive as it is. The main financial backer of AJ is Prince Turki Bin Nasser or so I was told.

He runs a Presidential Ministry for the King of Saudi Arabia and doesn't like to pay his bills according to what I've seen on Internet searches - He left his yacht crew and yacht high and dry in Spain.

Best to walk away from these crooks and try and warn as many people as possible. Sad part is Chief Pilot from South Africa was just as bad as these folks - no backbone, lies on command and only thought of himself. Please get foodstamps before selling your soul and working for these people.

Gotta love the owner of the GIV. Apologized as he boarded the GIV in Cairo for being late as he had to pray before coming to jet. We barely got the door closed and out came the Johnnie Walker. He and his Saudi General friend each drank a fifth of the fire water and had to be poured off the jet in London. What a bunch of hypocrites!

[Rockwell T]

Mizarlee, Arabianknights, Beserker and Flying Dude have all spoken the truth while leaving an abundance of negative information unshared. Its called CLASS. :ok:

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

Stay tuned.............There is much more to come !!! These scumbags at Arabian Jets will get what is deserved.

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

CYA for all you getting strong armed at Arabian Jets into flying....... the friend of the cousin who is the brother of the sister's great aunt. Courtesy of AIN alerts.

Former Platinum Jet Pilot Gets Six Months’ Prison Time
Pilot Francis Vieira, 61, who had previously pleaded guilty to charges related to the 2005 takeoff crash at Teterboro Airport of a Challenger 600 operated by defunct Platinum Jet, was sentenced yesterday to six months in prison and an additional six months of house arrest. According to U.S. District Court papers, Vieira entered a guilty plea on the charge of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and to defraud the U.S. The court further noted that from November 2002 to November 2003, Fort Lauderdale, Fla.-based charter operator Platinum Jet did not have a Part 135 certificate and, despite the lack of proper certification, “Vieira and his co-conspirators agreed to operate Platinum Jet as a commercial jet charter company and flew several dozen illegal charter flights.” Three of Vieira's co-defendants—Michael Brassington, Paul Brassington and Andrew Budhan—will be sentenced by U.S. District Judge Dennis Cavanaugh in Newark, N.J., in the coming weeks. Joseph Singh, former director of charters, was sentenced last Tuesday to one year of probation and ordered to pay $200,000 restitution to victims of the operation. Contract pilot John Kimberling, who was in the cockpit at the time of the Teterboro crash, is being tried separately in Florida. Charges against a sixth Platinum Jet employee, director of maintenance Brien McKenzie, were dismissed earlier this year.

[HEMS driver]

Arabianknights, excellent points. AJ is clearly conducting charters without a AOC using N registered aircraft and FAA licensed pilots.

Apparently most, if not all, of the pilots are aware of this, thus are knowingly and willfully conducting illegal charters = criminal intent.

Their certificates are in jeopardy at a minimum, and as the post above indicates, if there is a mishap criminal prosecution in addition to certificate revocation are very possible.

Without an AOC the FAA has no jurisdiction over AJ, only the pilots because they hold FAA certificates. Anyone continuing to conduct illegal charters for AJ is a chump.

Is the money really worth it?

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

HEMS Driver you are correct. Besides FAA having jurisdiction over the pilot, FAA is also responsible for oversight of the aircraft itself since it is 'N' registered. An 'N' registered aircraft responsible for a major safety violation, rules violation (such as not having an AOC) or crash in a foreign jurisdiction most likely will trigger that foreign government to contact the US FAA for corrective action.

[FAL50]

happens everywhere in the MENA region. My last operation advertised openly with EMT jets so can't see Arabian jets getting screwed for it.

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

FAL50 you are most likely correct. They probably will get away with it until.......somebody gets hurt. That's when Arabian Jets management throws everybody under the bus.

[FrankR]

This sort of thing chartering happens everywhere guys. It's mostly impossible to get caught unless everyone and everything is within the US, outside they care little.

I'm more worried about getting paid up by the company, from what I gather, Arabian Jets does not have a good track record here. I applied for a posting a few months ago, but heard nothing.

Maybe I'm better off where I am? (no bed of roses this)

FR

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

FrankR, I have not been paid for my services with Arabian Jets and have had several emails from guys who currently work for the company and from guys recently fired or who have quit. No one has been paid.

Arabian Jets supposedly has a contract with the Saudi government that expires this month, the Saudi government is not going to renew the contract. Many people think the company will not last past contract termination.

What Arabian Jets is doing is simple. Bring on new pilots, do not pay them, the pilots quit or are fired for something minor, post ad on climbto350, repeat.

Anas Reyes the CEO of Arabian Jets was recently trying to take over the FBO services in Riyadh. He failed. This is where supposedly a lot of the company money has gone.

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

Here is a link:


Prince Turki Bin Nasser abandons crew - Female First (http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/royal_family/Prince+Turki+Bin+Nasser-53836.html)

[LGW Vulture]

Apparently, money all spent - the Big Man won´t inject any more. Read into that what you will. :uhoh:

[FrankR]

So has Arabian Jets quit flying altogether, or just quit paying crew and vendors? I just saw another advert on 350 today...

[FAL50]

LGW Vulture. what is your source of information there?


Arabianknights, you say Arabian Jets supposedly has a contract with the Saudi government that expires this month so supposedly, being the operative word. So you don't actually know the details of the contract. You sound like a pissed employee that has been let go and trying to stir up trouble?

How long did you manage to stay with Arabian Jets, a long time? if so then why did you stay?

Did you also operate the illegal charters for a long time?
Was you happy to do that while the salary rolled in?

[FrankR]

Hey Fal50,

Attacking a guy for needing a job and collecting his stipend whilst doing what he is told is hitting below the belt line don't you think?

... And it certainly doesn't diminish all the accusations of non payment, firing without cause, and chartering without an AOC that seem to be the modus operandi at Arab Jets does it?

Your point is well taken however, most all this thread is rife with complaints by former employees who were let go.

FR

[FAL50]

That is not attacking.... I'm purely saying a lot of these employees are happy to work for the company then once they are fired they complain about everything- illegal charters, no medical.

Do you think these pilots ever said they are not prepared to take the charter? No, they carry on with it like everyone else in the ME and then call the pilots that are still working for Arabian Jets chumps for doing so. No doubt if they return to the ME with another operator they'll be doing exactly the same illegal charters and if they were to be fired they'd know not to leave Saudi without their monies owed.

Perhaps ARABIAN KNIGHTS should be seeking legal advice first rather than ranting on PPRuNe.

That is all I am saying.

[Papypilot]

All: I can attest to all the above being accurate as far as the companies lack of integrity. := As for myself I found the work challenging and personally rewarding from a professional pilot point of view. As to the AJ business model, it is unlike anything I have witnessed in the western world. :confused: Accept all comments on this forum as accurate. If working for AJ obtain as much knowledge as one can for professional advancement, accept a position to remain financially a float, depart on your terms with as little financial loss as possible. And never never use your personal funds to pay for hotels or other operating expenses. Best of luck to you all seeking employment. :ok:

[mizarlee]

FAL50,

Don't know where you get your information but you are full of crap. As as former AJ pilot I can assure you some of us have morals, and do play by the rules. YES! I did stand up to AJ when I was finally able to prove they were dispatching us as Part 91 while they were collecting money for the flight. My reward for being honest, trying to play by the rules was to get terminated. Yes, I'm a pissed off former employee, but unlike your BS accusation I did stand up to AJ and refuse to fly charters. A good many of our flights were for the Saudi owner of the aircraft and this was OK. When hired I was told the company did have a certificate, but the GIV was not on the certificate yet. I soon learned there is a lot of truth to the old saying: "if their lips are moving they are lieing."

Most of us were not sure if we were being chartered or not. Our passengers would be members of the Royal family and our Chief Pilot always assured us they were friends of the owner and there was not money being spent for charters. According to the CP this was very common in Saudi to do favors for ones friends. This was my first time to work in this country so I was unaware just how devious these folks are.

After working their for about three months, things just didn't seem to add up. For instance a passenger asks you: "who owns this aircraft?" After being instructed not to interact with the passengers, a quick call to the office to ask WTF? is going on was answered by the CP as: Oh, your passenger is looking to buy the aircraft and this is a demo trip"???

Here's another example of confusion. Getting ready to go to the aircraft for a flight and CP says not to go yet as passengers haven't paid???????? Again my question to OPS is WTF? I was told the passengers were paying the "expenses" for the trip.

These games went on for months with myself not knowing for sure what was going on. Repeated questions to the CP pilot were always answered with: NO - you are not flying charters, these are all trips for the Doctor who owned the aircraft.

Shortly before my last rotation home for time off, I had a Saudi come to the jet on the ramp and want to look over the jet. I did not know who he was and we were getting ready for a trip. A quick call to the office and I was told to allow him to look at the aircraft.

As he deplaned and the passengers arrived I asked about his interest in the jet and was handed his business card and he told me he was a charter broker and this trip was booked by him for the passengers. Again the company denied any charter.

When I confronted the CP with the business card and the details, the answer changed for the first time. Now the answer was, you will never be checked by the FAA over here or in Europe but he said the most important thing was the FAA could never track the money so I had nothing to worry about. I told him they were charters and I did not fly charters.

If you noticed all communication was with CP as we had no DO. When we did get a DO he lasted two days. MY guess is he was too honest and refused to drink the Kool Aid.

There are pilots that like to stick their heads in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong, there are pilots who are afraid to rock the boat, and their are pilots who will tell you: "you don't respect the culture!" because you won't accept the company lies and BS!

I'm not one of those people. After finding proof of problems, I tried to work them out with the company. AJ does not want honest pilots, AJ does not want good people. I let every pilot at AJ know what I found out. Their decisions are their own.

As with many pilots I paid for my training, I worked hard for my certificate and I value my honor and integrity. I will not operate illegally and I don't appreciate someone who does not know me saying I was willing to fly illegal for compensation. I recommend you get your facts straight.

[DC3Dan]

Hey Fal50, Perhaps the former pilots never said anything because the act of "saying something" is the same day you get fired???

Here is another FACT. I worked for the company until a short time ago, and left with the promise that my last paycheck and expenses would be paid within the month. Guess what, still no check! I bet you are going to say they aren't deadbeats, it must be an accounting error, or a slip up. Riiigghhtt!

It's true, AJ fires people for no reason other than to avoid paying them or to cover up their own management bungling and mistakes. Sure, every company needs to get rid of a bad apple, but AJ has fired 20 +/- expat pilots since the beginning of the year (out of a work force of less than 20 pilots). They haven't fired a single Arab office worker in that time however (they must have 30).

Second, they make it hard for every pilot who is there to exist. They do this by having untrained and non-professionals making every decision from flight planning, to handling, to hotel bookings.

Third, while I was there, we changed handlers several times. Why? because AJ had not paid their bills! Fact, the G-IV had a tug parked in front of it in Luton for non-payment.

There are two sides to many arguments, but here, it's deception, firing for no reason but to cover up management mistakes, and non payment of legitimate bills.

The only guy sticking up for them on this thread is a low time (no prior jet) guy who got upgraded. He's happy to be there, so he's drinking the kool-aid by the gallon.

Now sure, I could go on, but you can't refute anything said, irregardless of the motive for saying it.

[spacenavigator]

Monitoring the chatter for a while now, as a neutral observer ( Disclosure: having previously conducted some HR consulting work for the company); i must say how amazing is the talent of disgruntled employees to color facts. it takes talent, no doubt.

i have worked with the company executive management and owners for a short time. They are shrude and aggressive business minded individuals, but i have always admired one quality about them: integrity.

Can any previous employee deny that he or she have always been payed their salaries on time? Every time? is this the sign of a company in trouble?

I thought i understood some of you being bitter about getting fired, but now i see why (being fired that is...). A true and morally anchored pilot is a balanced and just professional, not some hypocrite who will go on and on about illegalities while lacking the decency to at least admit the advantages and benefits enjoyed during employment with the company.

I have advised management to apply some crew benefit adjustments (like the 2 months on -1 month off rotation schedule change to full time) but guess what: they refused.

if there is anything that a pure blooded aviator cannot stand, is dishonesty, hypocracy and lies.

quit whining and Man up ...!!

[international hog driver]

Space Nav......

Spoken like a true management blow in........

i have worked with the company executive management and owners for a short time

and next.....

I have advised management to apply some crew benefit adjustments (like the 2 months on -1 month off rotation schedule change to full time)

I hope you enjoyed your short stay in the kingdom, in a 5 star hotel before you returned to your own planet..... business class of course.....:mad:

Quite seriously.... what planet are you from?????

Oh and it bet it was not during Ramadan..... or Christmas..... or..... oh forget it.

Rightly or wrongly, you have just proved the ethos, that management bring in advisers who have no grasp of the reality of the work force and the conditions they face. You tell them everything is good, and show them "synergies" and "benefits" and "best practice methodology" then get on a plane and go. All without any understanding of the business, the people or the market.

You have applied a mostly theoretical model developed in a modern, open society based upon years of learning.... to a society where the king combines legislative, executive, and judicial functions and royal decrees form the basis of the country's legislation and where it is currently the year 1432.

Thank you for proving the theory, you sir are a champion of your profession.:D

either that...... or its one of the best wind-up's i have seen here in a long time:ok:

[DC3Dan]

First off, AJ has never employed "consultants" ... so who are you really?

Your Quote 1:
i have worked with the company executive management and owners for a short time. They are shrude and aggressive business minded individuals, but i have always admired one quality about them: integrity.

... You are kidding, right? These guys have no integrety, and are not shrude. They have a gun to your head at all times, treat you poorly, (even compared to other crappy Arab management companies), and fire you to bring in fresh meat. Why has no one lasted more than 4 months there (Except for the over paid office staff)???

Your Quote 2:
I have advised management to apply some crew benefit adjustments (like the 2 months on -1 month off rotation schedule change to full time) but guess what: they refused.

... A change to full time from rotation would be a change for the better??? WHich planet are you from, or are you a Saudi shill??

Your Quote 3:
if there is anything that a pure blooded aviator cannot stand, is dishonesty, hypocracy and lies.

... You said you were a consultant, so you are obviously NOT any kind of aviator. If you were, they would have fired you too.

Your Quote 4:
quit whining and Man up ...!!
... My point exactly, Arabian Jets management hides and never fixes the obvious, they just blame then fire the expats and bring in a new batch of guys desperate for a job.

Interested to hear your thoughts Mr. Space man

[UncleBuck]

I am a former pilot at AJ. I chocked AJ up as a great experience and I am glad I did it. However, it was the worst managed company I have ever worked for and I am still owed money. After reading all of the posts I can say that everything negative is true. You pilots posting about AJ's problems are doing a great service for other Expats who may be considering AJ for employment.

Now to the other pilots and the HR puke that posted. What do you gain by getting on here and defending AJ??? The truth is we weren't paid, we received no health benefits, were lied to daily regarding everything from maintenance to operations and they did not honor the contract. Yes I said contract. I read previously where someone posted about the contract and was attacked... Yes the offer letter stated that if I accepted this agreement then it should be considered a contract. (I still have it) So FrankR and B200Drvr please get all your facts straight before you insinuate that someone is special or needs drug tested.

Now back to the other guys defending AJ's complete and total lack of respect for their expat pilots. Again, what do you gain? Is this so you can go into the office with a printed copy and say see I am on your side? You think they care about you? You too will one day be on the receiving end of AJ's Do Not Pay plan. Oh and the last word I would ever use in a sentence to describe AJ's management is Integrity.

Anyone considering employment please know with the exception of a few pilots the majority of us are stilled owed money and in my personal opinion we will never be paid. Good luck to all those affected by AJ's immoral and inexcusable business practices.

[mizarlee]

SPACE NAVIAGATOR?

So who are you really? The CEO at AJ or one of the office flunkies?

Here's an answer to your question. As a former employer, I was paid ontime only one time in 7 months. Pay was always late. We were told straight up by the office employees that the company was out of money and they had to wait until the CEO begged the aircraft owners and company owners for more money to get us paid.

Of course the CFO never admitted to anything but there was one member of the office who liked to pass the truth on to us Infadels.

INTEGRITY does not exist with the leaders at AJ. The only integrity I saw at that place was among people born west of 30W.

I think you need to change your name to SPACE CADET!

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

http://photos.state.gov/libraries/saudi-arabia/287373/kuos/wm14.pdf

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

A Falcon 50 is what I call a three-holer. FAL50's #1 is piss poor, his #2 is full of s**t, and his #3 won't stop barkin'.

FAL50 learn to know what you are talking about before you start running your mouth !!!

[FrankR]

Hey Uncle Buck,

I think you may have misunderstood me. I started out giving Arabian Jets the benefit of the doubt (fair enough). I got 6-8 PM's from current pilots elaborating on the situation. Remember, my interest was that I applied for a position in March, but took another.

Now it's clear, Arabian jets doesn't like to pay legit billings, and blames pilots for all mistakes to avoid blame. My conclusion from all the PMs is that Arabian Jets fires pilots when things go wrong to stay in the good grace of the aircraft owners.

Nope, it's clear, this is a place to go if you have only one choice. Plan on not getting paid for your last month on the job, and being blamed after you leave.

... Read Mutt's comments on the first page, from Aug 2010, it says a lot!!! (All hail Mutt)

Cheers,
FR

[Rockwell T]

FrankR,
I doubt anyone on the planet was unclear regarding the obvious condescension of your comment #42. The suggestion for drug testing was a bit over the top, own it. :oh:
As for AJ, let's hope a great deal of time passes by before the aviation industry has to suffer through the likes of a similar outfit.

[FrankR]

Hey RockwellT, here is the excerpt of my post you mentioned:

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Oh, as a final comment, who the He$$ has EVER heard of an employment contract? If you worked for me, I'd have <that poster> drug tested regularly.
--------

Sure, I said it, I own it, and I stand by it. I wasn't defending Arabian Jets, I was making the point that "Employment contracts" in the Middle East, Africa, most of Asia, and much of the rest of the world are pure fiction. As pilots, we stand to get hosed by many employers. Arabian Jets isn't much at managing, but they seem to have the art of working over pilots down to an art!

FR

[UncleBuck]

So FrankR your saying that a pilot that receives an employment contract by a ME company and that company doesn't honor the contract, the pilot should then be drug tested for being naive to the fact that ME companies never honor contracts?

Sorry i'm not buying it. I think everybody figured out you were trying to side with the chief pilot in hopes of gaining employment. I guess next time you should refrain from posting about subjects in which you have no knowledge.

The truth is we were naive. We expected AJ to treat us Westerners like we treated them and the owners. Maybe AJ can stand to learn a few things about integrity and respect from us lowly infidels.

[mizarlee]

I agree with you Uncle Buck, we were naive. We did treat the aircraft owners with respect as well as the management at AJ. We gave it the good old American strong work ethic and loyalty. However, dealing with Saudis, we should have known better.

Lie, cheat, steal that appears to be the ARAB way of doing business. They treat every non-ARAB as a servent/slave. The only people they treat worse are their women.

These people are sick as are their business practices. Morals don't exist in the desert. AJ seems to have found a few pilots who have no morals, have no ethics. They will do well and will survive as they are no better than their empoyers. I just pray that the WD's don't hurt anyone. Enshallah!

[NZ X man]

This is sounding so much like another Prestige Jet, I cannot believe it. If you read those threads, same story, different place, different group of pilots, and the oddball who is probably in managenet, defending the operation.

And just like PJ, started out like gang busters, and then went south.

[Difficult One]

Muntaser Al-Ghosson, the COO was hired by CEO Anas Rayes to further insulate himself from the heat of poor business practices.

COO Muntaser came from a defunct HAJ Airline called AL-Wafeer. He worked in the "Safety Department". He has no experience in the day to day operations of a Jet Management company like Arabian Jets. He can only speak of what he knows and throws out phrases like "Risk Management". He has nothing to offer in management of a flight department.

COO Muntaser told the Ex-Pat DO (name removed) that he would take care of the hiring of a Chief Pilot to fill the position for application of a Charter Certificate through the GACA. Muntaser hires Chief Pilot: Ahmed Mustafa Aljuhani. Ahmed came from the same defunct airline and same "Safety Department". ;) Both Muntaser and Ahmed are local Saudi Nationals.

Chief Pilot Ahmed has no charter experience and is not typed in anything that Arabian Jets operates yet will still be holding the position during the application process of a certificate if GACA permits it.

DO (name removed) questioned why the three Beechjet pilots had still not been paid and the COO told him that he did not care about pilots that no longer worked at Arabian Jets. :eek:

COO Muntaser called a meeting with four others about the Charter Certificate project and made it clear that he would not permit Arabian Jets to have a Drug Program. DO (name removed) pointed out that it would be a requirement for the certification process. COO Muntaser said that there will be no drug program.

DO (name removed) was terminated during his first leave in five months.

This gives you an idea of the integrity of Arabian Jets Management personnel.

[Difficult One]

The Riyadh Beechjet was flown to Jeddah for maintenance. The crew attempted to depart in another Beechjet that had sat on the ramp and in the hangar for the past couple years.

The nose tire on the hangar queen separated on takeoff roll. Crew was OK, plane received significant damage to underside of aircraft and both engines ingested chunks of tire.

The crew called dispatch to notify them. Kamal (the last remaining dispatcher after the two smart dispatchers recently quit) told the crew to get the other aircraft back out of maintenance and finish the trip.

No one of importance in the company was notified of the incident, GACA was not notified.

GACA has since contacted the company and has started training Arabian Jets on how aviation in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia really works.

All this after Hameed and Kamal almost burned a King Air to the ground by bypassing Procedures, Chief Pilot and DO a few months ago. After the brake fire of a new King Air was extinguished the crew called Dispatch (Kamal) to notify Arabian Jets of the incident and Kamal tells them to go back to the ramp and get another King Air and keep flying. GACA was on seen and got their report. The Chief Pilot and DO was never notified by anyone from within the company that; the new PIC was hired, dispatched to fly an Arabian Jets aircraft or that it had caught fire.

You cannot teach common sense.

[mizarlee]

Thanks for the update. I'm not sure common sense is really the issue. Kamal the dispatcher, clearly has no plan to follow any rules as must be his guidance.

He tried over and over to "order" me to fly to the UK when all airports were down or forecast to be down hours before arrival time. Kamal will try to get the crew to do anything.

A tried to force a former Hawker crew to fly an aircraft that was grounded because a mandatory service bulletin was not accomplished. These two pilots also wisely quit AJ before they could be fired.

Break the rules, lie, lie, lie that is the AJ way. Amazing when the Director of Maintenance forbids a captai from writing up any descrepanies with an aircraft. According to the DOM, only telephone calls were acceptable in reporting discrepancies.

Sorry to hear that aircraft are being damaged, just hope GACA shuts these folks down before someone gets hurt or killed.:ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Rockwell T]

Speaking of " before someone gets hurt or killed ", what ever happened to the crosswind wizz kid. C'mon mates, you know the guys at KTEB :uhoh: are wanting a heads up.

[spini]

This is better than the NJME thread that ran a couple of years ago. Rockwell T you've got to expand on the Teterboro X-wind thing. Perhaps a G550?:}

[mizarlee]

KTEB - Crosswind??? G550???? Could this be a former famous aviator from AJ? According to pilots still at AJ a former AJ pilot really "impressed" a G550 owner. He was so impressed by this fantastic aviator's landing ability at KTEB that the owner never allowed him to fly his G550 again - insha'Allah!

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

New morons are needed to work for Arabian Jets. Heads must have rolled when the boys FOD both engines on the BeechJet.

This time there will not be any 2 on - 1 off schedule. New hires will have a one year mandatory tour in the Magical Kingdom.

[HEMS driver]

They are currently advertising for a BeechJet/KA350 FO on a 2 year contract, single status only.

Such a deal.

[Difficult One]

Good luck on getting paid.

The housing provided is not a compound. Abdulhameed and Talal promise in writing a "compound" to the new recruits. The Durrah Resort does not meet the Embassy definition of a compound. Security is almost non-existant except for the unarmed guards. The Durrah is where hte locals go to kick it muslim style. The crews in the Durrah Resort do not feel welcome and spend most of their time in the rooms. Western style bathing suits are not welcome for men or woman.

[Difficult One]

Arabian Jets HR staff; Abdulhameed and Talal are telling the ex-pat recruits that they will be staying at the fabulous "Durrah Beach Resort" compound in Jeddah. Do not be fooled, the Durrah Beach Resort does not meet the Embassy definition of a compound.
No armed guards.
No guns.
Locals pass through routinely.

The Durrah Beach Resort is for locals to kick it Muslim style. Woman sun bath near the pool in their abia's covered head to toe to avoid stoning. Woman can wear any color they want as long as it is Black. Swimming is not recommended because it also will be done in an abia. Crews do not feel welcome and stay in their rooms mostly.

The apartment doors are not secure even with the dead-bolts thrown. A hotel swipe key will still open it as learned by a German Crewmember that woke up to find a man standing over him in his bedroom at about 3 or 4am, the man turned his light on and then left in a hurry. The front desk at the Durrah was amused and did not care. Management staff at Arabian Jets also was not concerned.

Ex-pats have been attacked and killed at the Durrah in the past. Warnings are coming from the U.S. Embassy that things are heating up again.

The Durrah Beach Resort is also a 45 minute drive to the airport and over 1 hour drive to the office.

Other Ex-pats employed in Saudi Arabia are staying compounds.

[mutt]

Ex-pats have been attacked and killed at the Durrah in the past. When? I have never heard about this.


Mutt

[mizarlee]

Mutt,

Take it from those of us who have lived there. It is not safe, has no security. The Durrah is a rundown poor excuse for a resort. According to AJ Management we were told that the Durrah suffered a terrorist attack 7 to 8 years ago and people were murdered. I hear numbers of just under 10. Due to this attack, the place went to crap as people did not come back. I think the reason we found out any information from management was that the info was passed by a pilot not any of the PNGs.

According to AJ management, the owner of their GIV was heavily involved in the development and AJ gets a ridiculous cheap price, since the apartments would otherwise sit vacant.

Some how the Prince who is supposed to be the main money behind AJ is also connected to the Durrah. I ran into a young Prince at the Durrah who said Prince Turki Ben Nasser was his Uncle. By the way this young Prince and his following looked like a rag tag bunch of terroists themselves.

Way too many strange things going on with AJ. We had a Flight Attendant who worked at AJ Management who found that a woman was raped at the Durrah (this year 2011) by a Saudi Prince but this was covered up according to her. This FA made a strong effort to get the crews moved out of this place due to the potential danger. For her effort she was fired! This lady was from the Middle East, spoke the language, knew the culture and had been the personal Flight Attendant of Prince Turki according to her and one of the pilots in management. She warned the crews over and over that we needed to get out of this place, but as I mentioned earlier, her attempts to get us moved seemed to get her fired.

Do you really find is strange you have not heard of any problems at the Durrah? A governemnt that takes swift and brutal action to put down any unrest in the country. GAG!

[I.R.PIRATE]

Try Yenbu:ok:

[HEMS driver]

Why was this post deleted (not mine)?


Most of what those wrote regarding Arabian Jets is true, some true facts regarding Arabian Jets: *you will not get paid your last month salary* if you are let go and many of the previous pilots that have worked for Arabian Jets can attest to this. *Arabian Jets **is on the verge of going bankrupt* as we employees have not received our pay for November and we are now almost half way through December.

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

HEMS DRIVER,

I am sorry to hear that now you guys are getting screwed like we did earlier this year. I hope they find a way to pay ALL of you for your work. Sadly, it sounds like Arabian Jets is in worse trouble than anyone thought. I want you guys to get paid so I can at least have a chance of getting my back pay. Good Luck !!!

[Beach driver]

Whats this that I hear they have lost the contract for the G550? Is this true - anyone with some insight and anyone know where it is going?!?
Is it the crosswind at KTEB that caused this or maybe the bills not getting paid?!?
This thread I am sure will light up............

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

Beach Driver,

I don't think this has anything to do with the G550 TEB incident a few months ago. Just poor management on the part of Anas Rayes and Crew. Anas thought he could take a sh*t all over everyone and it did not work. What Anas Rayes does not know is that these Infidels have a special surprise for him next time he arrives in the US of A. Insha'Allah !!!!!!!!

P.S. An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth. Insha'Allah !!!!!

[dsconer]

I just want to thank you all for putting in your great words of advice to all the people out there who are even thinking of chancing it with such a sh-- company. Iv never seen such poor management in my life. For a company that has 3 airplanes they have 25 people working in the office to support them and not one of them knows the difference between a pu--y and an a-- hole, there all but f---ing each other on man loves Thursday. They will all go down in flames but the ones that haven't been payed hope you receive a paycheck before sh-t hits the fan or you'll be out of luck the way i was. still fighting for it though. I hear GAGA is coming down on them at this time for the beechjet deal.

[HEMS driver]

I do believe that GACA is following this thread. :E

[dsconer]

That would be good. they need to know all the illegal crap that was going on and if they ask me I will be more than happy to let them know all about how they have no desire to follow any type of charter regulations. I really dont think they even know the proper regulations on 91 or 135. Crap they told the beech jet crew (saudi pilots) to take the king are without any training on it at all, and the idiots did. lol Thats the mentality your looking at. stupidity all the way around.

[HEMS driver]

They completed the Insha'Allah checkout in the KingAir. :rolleyes::E

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

Glad to see the boys from Colorado back in the mix. Sorry to hear you all have been screwed as well. Anyone left at the company can contact me, we are buying all aircraft parts at wholesale: gear pins, avionics, spare tires, spare starter generators, gold trim, silver cutlery, or any other parts easily removable from your aircraft. Insha'Allah !!!

[Difficult One]

G550 went to NAS. :D
Illegal charter still continues. :(
Expat Pilots still not paid for November except G550 crew. :yuk:
They seem to be having a hard time finding expat crews. :D

Expat Crews stay away.
I expect a name change soon.

[UncleBuck]

Yeah I heard the Dr paid the GIV pilots with a personal check. No other AJ employees have been paid. The writing is on the wall folks, cut your losses and get out! Also any Expats that may consider AJ, (even if its only short term contract work) don't do it, you will not be paid! Good luck to all those affected by this immoral company.

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

Check out the NEW and IMPROVED Arabian Jets website. Any of you infadels know what "Our Wealth of Saudi Human Rescores" are ?
Back in the day "Rescores" were the kids that sat in the back of the short-bus !!!!
F*cking Idiots !!!!!!!
Arabian Jet (http://www.arabianjets.com/index.html)

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

Anyone ever come across a Part 91 FAA certificate number ? On the website they show a FAA 14 CFR Part 91 Certificate number of ARJJEA29. Arabian Jet (http://www.arabianjets.com/index.html)


Has anyone been paid by Arabian Jets for November or December ?

[HEMS driver]

Part 91 certificate? :rolleyes: I have only been a pilot for 45 years so possibly, maybe, could be.... Maybe it was created last week and the FAA forgot to tell us? :E

[devildog]

Now everybody it seems that you are leaving out the crack maintenance dept. Think of all the guys they have in the office working for the maintenance and between all of them I think they have about two seconds of experience working on the type of planes that they fly. I am just saying is all.

[mutt]

Company Profile: Arabian Jets is a premier aircraft Management & Engineering consultancy based in Jeddah Saudi Arabia, with a sub office in Riyadh, and satellite offices in Jordan and Lebanon. At Arabian Jets we offer our clients over 30 years of experience in aviation business including aircraft management, engineering and maintenance services, plus aircraft sales & acquisitions and human capital services. We also provide document imaging services and a digital state of the art aircraft record management solutions to the ever demanding aviation industry. Arabian Jets has strategic alliances with worldwide companies such as aeroDAC, avisa, Avtrade, Camo, TES Aviation, & Middle East Aerospace Consortium. The ever demanding task in the aviation sector is pushing us to look for talented professionals to help us achieve our business and management goals. We seek conscientious, self driven individuals with strong sense of integrity and commitment to their professional life. We pride in providing our staff with a career that will continuously enrich their knowledge, new challenges and ensure job satisfaction.

Now advertising for CL300 FO.... I wonder what happened to the last one... In fact can anyone say if they got paid since November?

Mutt

[PLovett]

I see this mob are now advertising for a G4 FO. Perhaps more capital has been injected into the company or just looking for another victim?

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

New advertisement is out on Climb to 350 for BE-400 drivers. You are a fool to take the job. Most of the existing Jeddah Infadels have not been paid for February. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS JOB UNTIL EVERYONE IS PAID !!! YOU WILL NOT GET PAID AS WELL !!!

[Difficult One]

They are still waiving the G550 flag all over the web site, the plane has gone to NAS.
Maybe they should show incident pictures of a smoldering "N" registered King Air or a "HZ" registered Beechjet. :ok:

[Difficult One]

Devildog,

You are correct. Out of all the "Engineers" at the end of the hall only one had a A&P mechanic license with little experience.

Having all the "Engineers" at the end of the hall and the 2 or 3 mechanics based in Rhyadh on the payroll financially drained the company while not contibuting to getting planes fixed. This was Anas Rayes idea of starting an MRO that never went anywhere. He even spoke of opening an MRO in a magazine article that never happened.

The company had the income to sustain a solid operation but was drained by people that brought nothing to the table.

If you plan on maintaining aircraft, hire aircraft mechanics not "Engineers". Arabian Jets was not in the business of designing and building jets, they only needed to maintain ones that already existed by following Manufactures Maintenance Manuals. One IA, one A&P and one person trained to order parts would have handled the job of managing the fleet maintenance and Arabian Jets would still be growing instead of going out of business.

Bad decisions from the top.

[JPJP]

The Arabian Jet website is absolutely hilarious. Here's a few little gems:

Manager Flight ops - FAA Dispute license holder
- Manger scheduling

Chief Pilot - Flow 747 777 ......

-adviser to the wild life conservation :D

[hameedbinali]

Everyone beware Arabian Jets is on the verge of going bankrupt!

They will soon be applying for Chapter 7: basic liquidation for individuals and businesses; also known as straight bankruptcy; it is the simplest and quickest form of bankruptcy available.

Unfortunately there is nothing to liquidate except the employees salaries!

Warning from your Human Captial Department: All expat employees still at Arabian Jets it is time for you to move on now before you get stuck in Saudi Arabia forever just like what happened to AlWafeer airlines!

[mizarlee]

HA HA HA! Too Funny!

Really doubt Hameed would make this post as he drinks the Kool Aid on a regular basis. But it sure made my day. Please don't work for these idiots. This is a no win place. As long as you are willing to fly broke jets, violate FARs and fly 134.9 flights this is the place for you.:ugh:

[ConmanX3M]

Whats bothering me is that Hameed didn't even tried to hide his identity :) But hey I for one know Hameed is just a Company man when it comes to business, but personally he is a true friend :). The Hameed who posted that is the true and pissed off Hameed. I wonder what or who pissed him off to sell out AJ. Musta been the Dynamic Duo. LOL!

[ConmanX3M]

Geeez! Is it true? I was thinking to re-apply and maybe get my old job back :ugh:

[mizarlee]

YGBSM! Hameed a good Friend? Glad to hear he has a friend. He is one of the two biggest pieces od crap at AJ. If his lips moves he lies. Take Hameed out of the equation and AJ might have a fighting chance. Talaal is a good person and tries to do the honest thing, too bad he works with such an idiot.

[ConmanX3M]

I just got confirmation that AJ is down and out. Poor decisions, poor management, and poor dispositions equals poor AJ owner :)

[devildog]

It could not have happened to a better bunch of people:D. I do feel sorry for some of the people there if this is true because they are now without a job, but I can tell you that I do not feel bad for anyone in the maintenance Dept.

[LGW Vulture]

Not dead yet ... but getting there.

[mizarlee]

Does this mean Prince Turki and Dr. Al Yamani have finally decided to quit funding Anas and his his follies? Or is GACA stepping in finally shutting down the operation?
Sure hope no pilots have been stupid enough to accept a job with these sleaze balls.

[mizarlee]

Prince Turki Bin Nasser abandons crew (http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/royal_family/Prince+Turki+Bin+Nasser-53836.html)

Here is a link to what we former and current employess of Arabnian Jet were told is the owner. Seems like this must be true as you can see from this article he likes to not pay his bills which is the Arabian Jet way. Good old Wells Fargo Banks lets these crooks own a US registered aircraft and hide if from Homeland Security, and the IRS. Gotta love the US screwing the little guy so these rich ARABS can run wild. Don't work for these crooks.

[LGW Vulture]

TBN has an interesting modus operandi. Stories about the BBJ would make your hair curl.:uhoh:

[mizarlee]

AJ is no longer. According to employees all sent home with no pay and company in bankruptcy. Personal aircraft of the Prince and Dr. are still flying and paid by them personally. All other employees SOL! Good Job Mr. Anas you have single handedly run another company out of business and screwed many good people. May a thousand camels dump upon your head!

[Difficult One]

Anas Rayes has moved on to his next scam. Another company put out of business. Is Ahmed Binali still chasing whores in the Philipines? Who will pay his way now?
What is the azzclown in dispatch doing now?

BTW, they forgot to turn off the website. Must have been the only thing that was paid up.

I guess the long list of ex-pats that did not get paid are SOL.

Nothing has changed for Muntaser Al-Ghosson he never did anything anyway, he probably stills tries to get into the building so he can find someone to get his turkish coffee for him while decorates another office.

If was'nt for dirt bag outfits like Arabian Jets around, we would not have anything to talk about. :ok:

[Desert Maverick]

Hello,

Does anybody know who the end users of the H900XP (N3217G) or GIVSP(N7799T) are? Are the aircraft still with them?

[UncleBuck]

G-IV is still being piloted by former AJ pilots. The only difference is the doctor is paying then directly.

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

The forum seems to be unusually quiet after all have been screwed by Anas and Crew. All former employees probably think that by staying quiet they might have a chance of getting paid and I hope everyone(including me) gets paid. Unfortunately, as a former employee of Arabian Jets, I can tell all that you will not get paid by these scumbags. Would encourage all to continue to complain to the Saudi officials, your nations Saudi Embassy, and the Saudi Ambassador to your country.

Hopefully, the next time(and there will be a next time) Anas Rayes pops his head out of the sand, someone will be there to put a boot on his forehead !!!

One last thing, F*CK YOU ANAS RAYES !!!

[HEMS driver]

For your dart board. :E

http://m4.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrink_100_100/p/3/000/067/053/00fdfcb.jpg

[ARABIANKNIGHTS]

Dart board, hell no !!! Will be using your kindly provided pic for target practice with my 30-30 !!!

[yourwings]

I was definitely too stupid not to read the forums before going freelance there :ugh:

I thought the reliable owner goes to pay me directly if AJ does not pay me :ugh:

So I had to learn it the hard way.

Trying to make some pressure on:

www.arabianjets.org (http://www.arabianjets.org)
www.arabianjets.info (http://www.arabianjets.info)
www.arabianjets.biz (http://www.arabianjets.biz)
www.arabianjets.us (http://www.arabianjets.us)

(at least other pilots and customers are warned ...)

[HEMS driver]

For those of you owed money you may want to consider placing a lien on one or more of their "N" registered aircraft with the FAA. This will get their attention.

Aircraft Certification - Record an Aircraft Claim of Lien (http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/record_aircraft_lien/)

[mutt]

Noticed Liens of over $120,000 against N550SA whilst it was operated by Arabian Jets. Considering that AJ have gone broke, does this mean that the liens are now against the tailnumber?

If this is the case, then its an expensive lesson of what happens if you pick a bad management company.

Aero Liens List - Aviation Industry Claims, Liens, & Debt (http://www.aerolienslist.com/deadbeats.asp?txtsearch=n550sa)

Mutt

[Nightrider083]

What about N3217G they didn't pay anyone yet for over 7 months.

[HEMS driver]

Yes, the lien is against the specific airframe by serial number (doesn't change) and N number (could change).

[Nightrider083]

be careful AJ aircrafts are with Arabasco and they are also crooks just because they are fu:mad:ing saudi... still playing with 900XP and BBJ crew...