Jetstar cancer continues.

[hotnhigh]

Qantas subsidiary Jetstar plans to fly long-haul from Singapore Bill Lindsay From: Dow Jones Newswires May 12, 2010 4:25PM Increase Text JETSTAR, the discount carrier of Qantas Airways, today said it planned to commence long-haul flights from its major Asian hub in Singapore to Australia, north Asia and possibly European destinations by the end of this year.
The airline said in a statement that it will operate two wide-bodied Airbus A330-200 aircraft at Changi Airport and hopes to soon launch pre-flight sales once arrangements with several destination airports are finalised.

Jetstar chief executive Bruce Buchanan said the arrangements will see the airline create up to 200 new aviation jobs across its growing pan-Asian network, including pilots, cabin crew, engineers and customer service staff.

The discount carrier already flies A330 aircraft to six major Asia-Pacific tourist destinations from Australia, and through its Singapore-based affiliate Jetstar Asia flies narrow bodied A320 aircraft to more than 20 destinations from Singapore.


:ugh:Wake up everyone. Or perhaps shut the gate, the horse has bolted. On yer Jetstar!:D:yuk::=:ugh:

[Aussie]

This is just the beggining....

[Long John Silver]

I assume the A330's will be crewed by jetstar asia pilots? More jobs overseas?..

[otto the grot]

So will SIA finally throw some 330s TTs way too head em off at the pass?

[Iron Bar]

Wouldn't you just hate to be undercut by Jestar asia!!!! Nice irony. That pesky mou is not much chop either. How dare those mainline pilots.

But don't worry The 787 wet lease to Qantas will keep you all happy. :ok:

[Dash1]

How about Jet Cancer. Skiing NZ this year? Aug 12 QF 141 Syd-Akl on the QF bookings website is an A330-200 operated by Jetconnect. When and where did NZ crew start doing their A330 training? What are they being charged for an endorsement?

[Pedota]

This is from today's The Age . . .

Jetstar takes major step towards Europe with Singapore hub

CRAIG PLATT
May 12, 2010
Budget airline Jetstar has taken a major step towards low-cost flights to
Europe with the announcement it will begin long-haul routes from a new base in Singapore later this year.

The Qantas no-frills offshoot will become the first long-haul budget carrier to operate out of the city-state when it receives the first of two new Airbus A330-200 aircraft in December.

Jetstar chief executive Bruce Buchanan said the airline's first routes out of Singapore would be announced in coming weeks and would either be into Australia, northern Asia or Europe - most likely Rome or Athens.

Rome and Athens were selected by a combination of market opportunities and the capabilities of the A330 aircraft, Mr Buchanan said.

"With A330s, if we were to go into northern Europe we would suffer a significant payload restriction ... and Qantas already serves London quite extensively," he said.

"Southern Europe offered an attractive market and no one else was really serving that market."

Mr Buchanan said the airline would employ up to 200 new staff to be based at the Singapore hub.

Jetstar has 25 Boeing 787 Dreamliners on order, some of which are also likely to be based in Singapore.

Mr Buchanan said the longer range of the Dreamliner would deliver opportunities for more destinations and bases, including other parts of Europe.

[waren9]

I assume the A330's will be crewed by jetstar asia pilots?


They will be crewed by whoever wants to sign up.

More jobs overseas?..


You're on to it.

[dodgybrothers]

maybe the casa investigators who are currently cutting a swathe through the place may have a thing or two to say about going into europe especially the way jq goes about its 320 ops into asia. Not a done deal yet....

[airtags]

JQ Execs in various forms in SIN over the last two weeks having various meetings re the SIN base.

......seems the child is certainly selling out the farm from under the parent .......just hope the off balance sheet carriage by QF (inc some start up costs still on the QF ledger) is mitigated so the 10/11 profit comparisions are on a level foundation.

footnote: JQ Exec's did however choose to stay consistent with expectations and chose to use QF9 & QF31...something to do with a first class seat I think.....

:E
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[neville_nobody]

If it is Jetstar Asia where do they plan to get all the pilots from? Given that most Asian airlines pay for the ENTIRE cost of training what's the go with Jetstar Asia?

[OneDotLow]

footnote: JQ Exec's did however choose to stay consistent with expectations and chose to use QF9 & QF31...something to do with a first class seat I think.....

That is because they are employees of QF, not JQ. You think they were silly enough to be employed directly by JQ? No way!

[Compylot]

Hi,

Where would one apply for a job with Jetstar in singapore? (through Jetstar Australia?)

How many hours would one need to get a job on the A330 as a cruise FO?

Unfortunately I recently just missed out for a position as a cruise FO for V Australia (apparently I wasn't competitive enough though I do have over 500 hours instructing experience :confused:)

This new Jetstar venture sounds very exciting and will provide opportunities for many hoping to get a leg up!

If anyone could PM me with any details it would be much appreciated in advance :ok:

Kind Regards

[Wonderworld]

That is because they are employees of QF, not JQ. You think they were silly enough to be employed directly by JQ? No way!


It irks me even more when JQ flight attendants on duty travel on QF international flights like QF001 get a higher upgrade priority than QF staff travelling on leisure :yuk:

[Artificial Horizon]

Jetstar Asia pilots are actually better paid than the australian counterparts. Rumours around the place suggest that several positions will be available to Jetstar Oz guys who want to go on leave without pay for a couple of years. Lot's of interest as it will be something of a change for a bit along with better money. Should be interesting.

[Angle of Attack]

Unfortunately I recently just missed out for a position as a cruise FO for V Australia (apparently I wasn't competitive enough though I do have over 500 hours instructing experience )


LOL!

Thanks for giving me a laugh and cheering me up this morning!

[Normasars]

AoA

therein lies the problem we all face.

500hrs and can't wait to "sell their souls".

Exactly why we are in situation we are in now.

[metrosmoker]

Whilst this development is of no surprise, Bruce Buchanan`s attitude is I guess not either. Just now cemented.
A few weeks ago Bruce sat with the JPA and claimed he had no idea, and no idea why morale was so low within the pilot body. He also stated that no decision had been made as to where these aircraft would be deployed. Yet just 3 weeks later he his happy and proud to make this big announcement!

I had given 'REG' the benefit of the little bit of doubt there was.
At least Joyce`y had the guts to stab us in the front.

[Autobrakes4]

Wow, 500 hours instructing experience. You should be a 747 Captain.

You are kidding aren't you. With 500 hours instructing experience, I wouldn't let you wash my car. :ugh:

It's a good point you make Normasars. With an attitude like that, and a system that we have trying to constantly undermine the job with ridiculous pay rates, we are buggered. Gen Y + today's airline management = up s&#t creek for pilots.

I would never encourage any (future) son/daughter of mine to go into aviation. By then it will be totally fcuked. :{

[Di_Vosh]

Pretty certain that Compylot is a troll. :ok:

Problem is, is that there are plenty of people out there who think like that. :sad:

[waren9]

Anyone heard yet who's AOC these 330's are going to fly under? I was given to understand it would depend on the Singapore regulatory approvals process and the routes they would allow. I assume there would be ink and signatures on paper by now?

Rumour also is that the flying will be done on a "US Dollar" contract and that there would be "opportunities" for Jetstar Australia pilots. This implies the flying will not go to either of the existing JQ Australia or JQ Asia contracts. It also further suggests the offer will be lower than both of them. Buchanan clearly thinks there are enough 330 guys out there that will take it.

[Outtahere]

Buchanan clearly thinks there are enough 330 guys out there that will take it.

Almost right Waren, enough 'wannabe' 330 pilots is correct.

What will the wannabe's do when they realise they've spread the undercutting cancer to the last bastion of well paid airline jobs (wide body Captain)- perhaps a low ball offer to Nasa?

I wonder how they'll reflect on their careers at age 70- with pride or the realisation that they've made a career out of undermining the profession. Frankly I'd rather retire as a proud A320 Captain than as a spineless 330 Captain.

Buchanan is simply feeding off the ugly nature of his employees and can't really be blamed for it.

[Taildragger67]

Waren,

I guess a related question is whether the aircraft operating from Singapore up to southern Europe will be VH- or 9V- registered. :hmm:

Buchanan's comment:
"Southern Europe offered an attractive market and no one else was really serving that market."

What, so those Emirates, Singapore, Cathay, Malaysian, Korean, Thai, Qatar, Air China, China Air, etc. tails one sees daily at various southern European airfields such as Rome, Madrid, Athens, etc. are not actually there?! :ugh:

[Wally Mk2]

'autobk4' God I had to laugh re yr car washing min req's!:}

I guess 'keenness' by these young whipper snappers is alive & well but like a few have said here at what cost? Still it's a different beast now aviation even the planes have little in common re avionics these days to planes of yesteryear. A career path in flying now is simply done a different way, progress??? Well that's a whole udder story!:)
Those of us who came up thru the ranks of hard knocks where at 500 hrs you'd be lucky to get a C210 job up Nth & to fly a jet? Well passes in Space shuttle theory & about a zillion hrs all TWIN in CMD (& you had to know someone in the Airline to help) & even then you sat quietly in the R/H seat of an F27 for a 100 yrs then over to skipper on the noisy 'dart' machine then back to R/H seat on a '9' for another 100 yrs then skipper where you stayed there & retired flying 1 sector a day!!!!!!...........yep the good 'ole days:ok:

A crystal ball about now would be handy to see where J* will be in say 5 years time,in fact All the carriers!



Wmk2

[Normasars]

Wally Mk2

Touche.

[Ducksarse]

Wow... you guys are awesome

[ditch handle]

Emirates, Singapore, Cathay, Malaysian, Korean, Thai, Qatar, Air China, China Air, etc. tails one sees daily at various southern European airfields such as Rome, Madrid, Athens, etc.

Yes, every one of which offering a, "Premium Service"..........

Lucky for Qantas shareholders that those running Jetstar really are the smartest guys in the room.

Given Jetstar's outstanding success on the Japan run, flying it into the Southern European market can't possibly fail.:}

[Normasars]

Hurry up and finish your play lunch "ducks", the rest of the kids are waiting for you in fingerpainting.:ugh:

[waren9]

Taildragger67


I guess a related question is whether the aircraft operating from Singapore up to southern Europe will be VH- or 9V- registered.


Thats exactly what I was trying to find out when I asked if anyone knew whos AOC would be used....

[B772]

My guess is that QF Management are concerned about the inroads being made by Air Asia and the Middle East carriers, hence the decision to commence with the A330 rather than wait for the B787.

I assume Air Service Agreements will determine if the services are seen as Jetstar (Australia) or Jetstar (Asia).

[neville_nobody]

Almost right Waren, enough 'wannabe' 330 pilots is correct.

What will the wannabe's do when they realise they've spread the undercutting cancer to the last bastion of well paid airline jobs (wide body Captain)- perhaps a low ball offer to Nasa?

I wonder how they'll reflect on their careers at age 70- with pride or the realisation that they've made a career out of undermining the profession. Frankly I'd rather retire as a proud A320 Captain than as a spineless 330 Captain.

Unfortunately if it's an international contract then there is not much you can do about it. Once things go to that stage then you are not going to stop the downward spiral. There are to many people from to many third world/war torn/bankrupted countries that a job in Singapore on a 330 is far and away better than anything they will get in their country. And here in lies the problem. They are going to look back at 70 and say well I got out of x country my kids got a good education and I can get by. That's what you're competing against once recruiting goes global.

[my oleo is extended]

Airtags,

JQ Execs in various forms in SIN over the last two weeks having various meetings re the SIN base.


Very true my learned freind.
JQ also appointed the former JQ NZ Ground Operations Manager, a former baggage handler, as the COO for JQ Asia ! I heard he is paid half of what the other two were getting paid combined.Because QF has 'sidelined' (well the Vietnamese government did ) the two naughty QF kiddies who were running the show up there, they also get to save on executive salaries. A double bonus ?

[waren9]

I heard he is paid half of what the other two were getting paid combined.


So, he's paid about the same then?

[ampclamp]

waren9 thats good lol lol.

qf people have been up in sin for a while trying to sort things out and jq engineers are beng trained 320 to 330 as we speak.

I could have sworn AJ said no more routes going to JQ??!!

[Karunch]

You are right Neville, I suspect Outtahere was referring to the long line of Jq Oz pilots willing to go to Singapore.

I guess with an 'international' contract they'll have to expect 'international' standards- another dent in the QF group reputation.

[Iron Bar]

Outtahere

I may have the wrong context here but.

"I wonder how they'll reflect on their careers at age 70- with pride or the realisation that they've made a career out of undermining the profession. Frankly I'd rather retire as a proud A320 Captain than as a spineless 330 Captain."

Surely you are not refering to a Jetstar A320 captain?

[eurotriple]

Ahhh, 500 hours instructing. And wondering why we can't get hired by an airline.

Do yourself and your future colleages a favour and go out and get some REAL experience. Don't take the easy road.

[Outtahere]

Ironbar, by the way the Jq flight crew hang their heads & avert the looks of other crew as they walk the terminals, apparantly not too many 'proud' A320 Captains exist.

Its not really a job anyone aspires to.

[Gnd Power]

So what part of all of this was unexpected!!!!

QANTAS being devoured by J*, then one day renamed as .....QANTAS!


Didn't need to read the tea leaf's in my coffee to see that happening....:(

[Zapatas Blood]

"Frankly I'd rather retire as a proud A320 Captain than as a spineless 330 Captain."

In honky? You go girl. Wonderfull place. Got kids?

"by the way the Jq flight crew hang their heads & avert the looks of other crew as they walk the terminals"

What utter crap. You might like to think they do, thats all.

Wally MK2, the good old days of regulation, even a drovers dog could have made money back then.

[Whatsit Doingnow]

Whilst this development is of no surprise, Bruce Buchanan`s attitude is I guess not either. Just now cemented.
A few weeks ago Bruce sat with the JPA and claimed he had no idea, and no idea why morale was so low within the pilot body.
Oh dear, the Jetstar pilots are not happy because someone has stolen their flying and their shiny new jets, and management have been feeding them bull****.:{
What goes around.....

[Iron Bar]

What goes around comes around indeed. Nothing to be proud of.

[Come in spinner]

For all those that are enjoying saying "what goes around comes around" at least as Jetstar Pilots we will not take it out on the pilots working for J* Singas and J* NZ because we know the enemy is the company not the pilots. As for J* pilots hanging thy head in shame when I give pilots from another organisation a nod in the terminal about 30% of the time they look away therfore I know who the proud pilot is.

[Hugh Jarse]

It irks me even more when JQ flight attendants on duty travel on QF international flights like QF001 get a higher upgrade priority than QF staff travelling on leisure :yuk: (my bolding)

Are you serious????? :}:} Duty travel trumps staff travel always, no matter which airline you're writing about. :ugh::ugh:

It never ceases to amaze me:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::yuk:

[breakfastburrito]

As a recent addition to that of the league of professional aviator, I have from day one been taught that whenever I am around aircraft, airports or an aviation environment to act as one would expect from a commercial pilot!

Last week I paxed from Sydeny to Melbourne for my neices christening, and even though I was off duty I wore my full uniform consisting of standard white epaulette shirt, 2 bars, wings, blue pants and of course appropriately displayed ASIC.

The cabin crew on that flight were more than accomodating and thankful that they had an aviation porfessional in the emergency exit row, secure in the knowledge I had the capability and experience to direct pax in an emergency!

One of the passenegers next to me even asked me some questions on the briefing card and I helpfully pointed out some details!

So, I think that there is nothing wrong at all, in fact it is beneficial for professional aircrew to be appropriately identifiable when paxing on RPT services!
Not a troll, just a SJS wannabe.

[C441]

Can we please have a thread describing all the pilot uniforms I'm likely to see in an Australian terminal so I know which ones to advert my eyes from.:rolleyes:

Sadly I'm usually unable to determine who's from which airline most of the time so I just give 'em a nod anyway. There was even a bloke in Sydney the other day in the same uniform as me but he had a beard. Turns out he was from across the Tasman but he still seemed like a reasonable bloke whilst we chatted while waiting for a coffee.

I used to think it was professional courtesy to respect and recognise a colleague in any uniform. How naive I've been all this time.:hmm:

[Jet_A_Knight]

Tossers hide under MANY uniforms.:ugh: