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northloughshore
1st May 2010, 13:21
Hi does anybody know the complete ins outs of converting a JAA atpl to FAA Atpl or com? Anybody done it? if so how much did it set you back and any ideas on FTO's?

B2N2
3rd May 2010, 12:45
NLS, do you hold the JAA ATPL or just the "frozen" ATPL?

With a ICAO CPL or ATPL:

14 CFR 61.151-61.167

61.153 (3) is the one you are interested in.
It reads (amongst other things) :
(3) Holds either a foreign airline transport pilot license with instrument privileges, or a foreign commercial pilot license with an instrument rating, that

Which means you only need to take one written test and a flight test in an aircraft of your choice.

If you hold CPL-IR "frozen" ATPL then you don't meet the 1500 hr requirement for the FAA ATP. The most you can get is a FAA CPL-IR.
The following steps are required:

Apply for the FAA PPL based on your JAA CPL

Instrument written test
Instrument practical test (you will need about 15 hrs of training)
Commercial Written test
Commercial Practical test (about 20 hrs of training, 10 for ME and 10 for SE)


Applying for the FAA "piggyback" license:
Airmen Certification: Verify the Authenticity of a Foreign License, Rating, or Medical Certification (http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/foreign_license_verification/)

US regulations are here:
Electronic Code of Federal Regulations: (http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=cbcae7002afad09ef6330d9dbdc1a41a&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.2&idno=14)

Cost:
Written test $150
Flight test $350-$550 depending on region and examiner
Flight instructor $40-$80/hr
Airplane cost depends on where you choose to train
Visa/TSA approval/fingerprinting $500

You can train anywhere you like but it needs to be a Part 141 certified school in order to be able to train Foreign Nationals.
Federal Aviation Administration - Pilot Schools (http://av-info.faa.gov/PilotSchool.asp)

northloughshore
3rd May 2010, 18:24
Thanks very much for all that.

I have an atpl so can the flight test even been in a single? with the piggy back option can I put type ratings on an faa certificate?

B2N2
4th May 2010, 13:16
Yes, you can do the ATP practical test in a Single Engine.
Have a read through Volume 5, Chapter 2, Section 14
Flight Standards Information System (FSIMS) (http://fsims.faa.gov/PICResults.aspx?mode=EBookContents)
It's a link to the online FAA Inspector's handbook formerly known as order 8900.1
I think the type ratings carry over but I am not sure.
You will need to call FAA Oklahoma and speak to somebody at "Airmen Certification & Licensing".
The number is here:
Flight Standards District Offices (FSDO) (http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/index.cfm?state=OK&x=15&y=11)

Sidenote:

In order to take the ATP Practical test you DO NOT need an Instructor endorsement. Only should you fail you will need an instructor endorsement after additional training.

Let us know how things turn out,

Regards,

Tinstaafl
4th May 2010, 19:32
Also a test in single will give you a licence valid only in singles. A test in a multi will give you a licence valid only in multis. To get both single & multi you have to do two flight tests.

You could do what I did: A test in a multi to get an ATP-MEL (multi engine land) and another test in an amphibian to get both ATP-SEL & SES (single engine land & single engine sea).

northloughshore
5th May 2010, 11:00
Not a bad idea probably more ratings than I need mind you.

Thanks B2N2 I wont do anything about it for a while just making plans for the future!