MCC and Boeing 737???? and some advice other needed pls

[Clintonb]

i got this question and then few more others if anybody knows the answer to. I'd like to work in Europe as an airline pilot but wanting to know few things. i am a european citizen just to put it out there.


i've seen a couple of schools with MCC and Boeing 737 included in the training. one or 2 schools ive also seen they include CRM

Is it worth doing it? im guessing the MCC is important to do right but doing the Boeing 737 would that be a waste of money right now?

CRM needed?

what ratings do i need? MEI,ME night rating,VFR,IFR????? again MCC, CRM and 737 rating really need it?

if you have a JAA license will you need to convert to a CAA to work in the UK.?

Any exams need to be taken if you do have to convert?

what is better modular or integrated.?

what planes should you look into training on?

will an airline look down on you if you have hrs in one airplane than another??

if you doing your ATPL will you need to do the CPL exams or is CPL and ATPL all combined in one?? equaling to 14 exams? excluding the 7 ppl exams

Does anybody know if the training in South Africa is good and what schools should i focus on??

i have been doing research on 5 schools there but want to know from anybody who has some insight to this, as im contemplating whether to do it in the US or South Africa

South Africa has the SA CAA license which is not affiliated with the UK CAA so i want to know.

If i do my Training in South Africa for a JAA license will it still be highly regarded in Europe.?

I've heard that Europe frowns upon JAA licenses obtained in south africa as the training is not high standard. is this true?
i wouldn't want to do my training and then find out later i got to go through a whole bunch more training and spend more money in order to be able to work in Europe.

i guess that is it for now. any help would be great thank you.

Have a great weekend and safe flying..

[Nashers]

all your questions have already been answered on this site LOADS of times, especially what is better modular or integrated?

try the search funchtion.

[flyhighspeed300]

There is lots and lots of information in the aviation industry.
To answer these questions go down to a flying school. talk to them about the modular and intergated routes.
they will try to sign you up as like car sales people do. But they will give you all the information you need.

Plus because you have ask lots of question maybe you could buy
Lasors 2010.

LASORS 2010 (http://www.transair.co.uk/product4.asp?SID=2&Product_ID=640)

I have even given you the website where you could buy it from. Its will answer all your questions. The price is nonething for this book when you will spend nearly £5000 on CAA fees getting your JAA Frozen ATPL Licence.

[welliewanger]

Sounds like you've got a lot of research to do... and like you've spoken to a lot of places offering "added value" courses. I'll try to answer some of your questions.

MCC = vital
CRM = not necessary. Just added value. Whether it'll help having it on your CV is debateable. Whether it'll make you a better pilot - probably

At the end of the day the minimum qualifications you need to apply to the airlines are:
- CPL (you'll probably get a PPL first, but if you go integrated you'll go straight for the CPL) This allows you to earn money by flying. But unless it's supplemented by an instrument rating you are somewhat limited to VFR (Visual Flight Rules)
- Multi engine rating
- Instrument rating (multi engine) - This includes night privileges. However, lots of people get a night rating straight after the PPL as it's fun and easy. The instrument rating (IR) allows you to fly IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) in IMC (Instrument Meteorological Conditions) There's also a half arsed Instrument Rating called the IMC rating. It's of no commercial value however many people doing modular do an IMC rating half way through training.
- ATPL theory exams (14 of them) - If you do integrated, these are the only theory exams you'll do. Modular you'll do exams for the PPL, CPL and ATPL
- RT (Radio Telephony) license
- MCC - How much difference doing it on a 737 sim makes to doing it on a Seneca is debateable. IMHO some sort of exposure to a jet sim makes the transition during a type rating easier.
- Class 1 medical. Get this at Gatwick before you do anything else!
All the above comprise the "Frozen ATPL". This is what you need to apply to the airlines. Any extra is just fluff which may make you look a little better on paper, but not much.

737 / A320 type rating. There are many subjects which the regulars on pprune cannot agree on. Buying a type rating is not one of them. Particularly in the current economic climate. Don't do it!

JAA/CAA blah blah. The CAA (Civil Aviation Authority) is (was) part of the JAA (Joint Aviation Authority), which has now been superseded by EASA (European Aviation Safety Agency). The JAA produced a load of rules called JARs (Joint Aviation Requirements) These rules apply almost uniformally to all JAA member states. The UK is one of those states, therefore a CAA license comes under the JAA umbrella. It's the same thing. No need to convert.

Modular V's integrated has been done to death. Search the rest of this forum.

Which planes should you train on? Preferrably safe and reliable ones. Glass cockpits are nice, but if you then need to transition to classic cockpit it's probably harder than going the other way. Employers really don't give a damn which planes you trained on. There are no aircraft type which employers prefer. The only thing they like is hours. Multi engine hours are worth more to them than singe engine (a lot more)

Don't know about SA schools. If you must train in the arse end of the world, try Adelaide.

An SA license will not be worth anything in Europe. You'll have to convert it, which will probably require you to do the JAA ATPL exams, CPL flight test and IR flight test (multi engine). The same applies if you do FAA (American) licenses.
Is training in Africa frowned upon? I'm sure there are some very good instructors and schools there. I've met a few in Namibia (Hello Westair guys! :ok:). However the airspace there is nowhere near as congested as Europe and the weather is a lot easier to read in Africa (it's either a blazing blue day or chucking it down, whereas England has a lot more marginal weather to test your skills)

HTH