Fooling the medical man (eyes)

[flybig99]

Do you think that you could fool the Medical man by memorizing some of the chart? say the bottom few lines? Are the charts all standard?

[Mr Magoo]

Dream on!!

How far out of limits are you anyway?

[Launch Pad]

No chance.

When I last took a class one there wasn't even an eye chart on the wall when I walked in. Some kind of overhead projector was used when the lights were turned off. The eye chart could be changed at the push of a button. All very technical stuff.

Theres no way of fooling them i'm afraid.

[Jetset Willy]

Unfortunately it is not as simple as just reading letters off a chart - that is just one aspect of a very comprehensive examination.
I could read all the rows on the chart (except the very bottom one) which the optometrist said was fine, but he then found that my eyes were straining too much in his opinion, so I failed. The idea behind this was that even if you can see perfectly at the moment, in a few years time, you may not be able to, so rather than issue you a medical now and then have to take it away in a few years time, it was better not to give you one at all! ...

[wong]

What is the big deal about eye sight? We are allowed to wear corrective lens. On the subject of cheating, I had a friend who managed to cheat a few of his eye medicals due to poor vision in one eye. When the doctor told him to cover the next eye to read the chart he merely changed hand and cover the same eye due to short sightedness of the other eye!

[flybig99]

S$!&%!!!! I'm well over the limit at -5.75 each eye, but am trying those exercises that seem to work for you Magoo. I'm in Florida right now doing my ratings, but have realised that I dont want to live in America, even if it means I can fly here. I want to come home and fly!!!!!!!!!The people here are too FAT.

[Mr Magoo]

Hey Flybig,

Don't forget that you can get a Class 1 with -5 eyes once you build up 500Hrs - how are your execises doing?

I'm sweating it out on what the CAA will say about my class 1 application that's in at the moment - all parameters are fine EXCEPT on the eyetest I dipped out by 0.25 dioptres on one eye due to a little astigmatism (2.75 with 0.5 astig).

Does anyone have any information on people being allowed through with similar eye results?

I'm worried that they may bin me as they know my history and that I've pulled up from -5.5 to -3 in six months.

Oh well, if they say no I'll just do an eyetest a month until I get passed at -3!!!

[Island Air]

Hey guys stop the faffing around and check out www.orthok.co.uk (http://www.orthok.co.uk) this is the way to go, cannot be detected and completely safe, stop wearing them and your eyesight returns to your previous myopic level, what could be easier, at 600 quid, a steal!

[Mr Magoo]

Hiya Island,

Yeah I've thought about that one - if my eye excercises don't get me below -3 soon then a quick trip to Mr Bloom will have me sorted PDQ - and the CAA can go screw 'emselves!!!!!!! Mind you I reckon it'll cost nearer the grand than £600 by the time you've stabilised at minus whatever and I'm strapped for cash so it's Dr Bates for now as it costs virtually nowt.

[johnnie piles]

hey flybig!
if you look at the icao's website www.icao.org (http://www.icao.org) it says that they're
looking to abolish those nasty dioptre
limits around nov. 2001

that may help somewhat.....

[spanky de brest]

Hi, I am slightly short sighted.I had an optician examine my eyes and she said they should pass the class1.I know that short sightedness does not "straighten out" untill your mid-twenties.I'm 22.
What, if anything can I do to lessen the deterioration?
How long do you think I should leave the higher training(I'm doing the PPL at present).
I only wear my glasses for flying at the moment(once a fortnight).

[Constable Clipcock]

(Johnnie Piles writes :) icao's website http;//www.icao.org (http://http;//www.icao.org) it says that they're looking to abolish those nasty dioptre limits around nov. 2001
Some countries have already done so. Further, there are others who have never set a diopter limit in the first place.

Two examples are the US and Australia. Anyone else care to list some others?


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[Cornish Jack]

I have NO idea how useful this is, however, it might be worth someone checking it out. I wear glasses for reading and was recently shown a pair of sight training spectacles - TRAYNERS - which are intended to be worn for 15 minutes a day only and, supposedly, train the eye muscles to get their act together properly. They look quite odd, being a bit like sunglasses covered with a regular and quite numerous series of little pinholes. The effect of putting them on is quite remarkable - they aren't prescription but I could focus quite clearly. Apparently the principle is the same as the old trick of looking through your almost clenched fist to see in focus, if you don't have your glasses with you. Oh, cost, by the way, was £25 a pair. Availability? 'fraid I've no idea.
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[Rod Eddington]

island air - have you tried this orthokeratology stuff that you included a link to, it sounds excellent. surely the CAA will find a way to ban it?????

[flybig99]

There is a Orthok man down here in Florida. I suppose it should be cheaper here then in the UK (maybe not). I'm going to go and call him now. If it's cheaper I may give it a try. Will see. ( get it?,.. will see..Ha, Ha,)

[flybig99]

Oh forgrt it, $2000.00 over on this side of the water. I think I'll have a go at it when I get back to the UK. You see, Magoo, I'm not having much progress with the exercises yet. I've only been doing it for a month though. Tell me, if I'm doing it right will you.

Focus on your thumb for a coulpe of seconds then over at something far away for another couple of seconds. Do this 50 times per day in one go? or can you split it down? Look at thing with both eyes all the time, and try to focus on thing around you as you go about your day. Also, is it important to wear weaker lenses during the day? I'm flying all the time so that would be quit hard at the moment. Let me know mate, I'd like to be able to get my med sorted for when I get back. Cheers.

[Island Air]

Rod, I have not tried the Orthok method, but I am considering it, not for the class 1, just so I can throw away the specs! But the principle is the same and anyone not meeting the initial -3 llimit should consider it. Good news about Nov 2001, anyone have some real facts on that?

[Mr Magoo]

Flybig,

The big thing is NOT to try and see but relax and accept the incoming information. I'd get a proper Bates teacher if you can as they'll show you the way ahead.

[Launch Pad]

Hey magoo, do you know of any Bates teachers in the North West Uk.

[Bi-planejane]

I got my Class 1 medical on -4 and -4.25 (cyl -0.5) and only scraped in because of the formula they use with astygmatism tots up the sphere reading. I was granted this with the 500 hours rule, and trotted to the states to get them.
Having realised the precipice I was on, I did some phoning round and spoke to Dr Kurt Christianson of ICAO in Montreal about this Nov 2001. He was co-ordinating the member states on their agreement to this. Although it must come in ie "corrected vision" a la USA/ OZ no later than that date, member states STILL have the right to put their own restrictions on it. France seems determined to insist on +/-3 regardless and NO grandfather rights. So it's all a waste of paper.
Mind having just had my JAR medical, my AME says the word is out that as Iceland, Denmark and good ol'UK are the only ones doing them, CAA is threatening to go back to our own medicals in July if the other member states don't come on line.

JAA is just a tower of Babel. The latest ATPL ground exams have just proved that

[Mr Magoo]

Sorry mate,

No I don't. Try ringing the Bates association of Great Britain - they're in Brighton www.192.com (http://www.192.com) should trawl up thier number

[Bomber Harris]

Has anybody actually passed a class 1 after using OrthoK to move from outside limits to within limits? If so, did they tell the examiner how they made the limits. I'm interested in knowing if a specialist can detect use of this method.

I would feel they would not accept it as a valid sight improvement method because of the temporary nature of the fix.....but if it gets you passed an outmoded BS rule.....

Also, if anyone has used this and denied use to the examiner, how do they explain a dramatic increase in eyessight ability???

[Island Air]

Ah ha Bomber, good question! I am assured that it is undetectable by any optician. Also, you can decide how much correction you want as it does not need to be 20/20, in fact sometimes that is not possible in anycase, sounds like a good option for some.

[This message has been edited by Island Air (edited 20 May 2000).]

[Bomber Harris]

Thanks for the reply Island. I would like to think that your assurances are correct and absolute, but I have an assurance for those not in Class 1 medical land. The best way to never hold a class 1 is to get caught trying to fiddle the system. I hope it works as I do believe the 3 diopter limit is absolute rubbish. However, I'm just giving a little advice to anyone who's planning on storming into it without eye's wide open and corrective lenses fitted!!!!

[El Cid]

Jetset Willy,I just want to ask on what grounds were you refused your class 1? Obviously you could clearly see the 6/9 line without problems if you could see the rest(apart from the last).I simply cannot understand why you were refused it,surely if you meet the required standard within the correction limits you will get your medical.I think I am probably being naive on the subject but I think you were treated very shabilly.Either you meet the standard or you don't,they should not have any grey areas when it comes to guy's futures!Are you going to try again for your class 1.Best of luck if you do my friend.

[mutt]

CLEDHBTVO

Last line on my AME's eye chart, hasnt changed in 10 years.

Mutt