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ORAC
26th Apr 2010, 07:39
Torygraph: A cruise missile in a shipping box on sale to rogue bidders (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/7632543/A-cruise-missile-in-a-shipping-box-on-sale-to-rogue-bidders.html)

Defence experts are warning of a new danger of ballistic weapons proliferation after a Russian company started marketing a cruise missile that can be launched from a shipping container.

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Club - K container missile system. Stills from an animated film being used to market a missile system that allows cruise missles to be launched from a freight container. this can be loaded onto a lorry, ship, or train as desired tomove into position before launching missiles

It is feared that the covert Club-K missile attack system could prove "game-changing" in fighting wars with small countries, which would gain a remote capacity to mount multiple missiles on boats, trucks or railways. Iran and Venezuela have already shown an interest in the Club-K Container Missile System which could allow them to carry out pre-emptive strikes from behind an enemy's missile defences.

Defence experts say the system is designed to be concealed as a standard 40ft shipping container that cannot be identified until it is activated. Priced at an estimated £10 million, each container is fitted with four cruise anti-ship or land attack missiles. The system represents an affordable "strategic level weapon".

Some experts believe that if Iraq had the Club-K system in 2003 it would have made it impossible for America to invade with any container ship in the Gulf a potential threat.

Club-K is being marketed at the Defence Services Asia exhibition in Malaysia this week. Novator, the manufacturer, is an advanced missile specialist that would not have marketed the system without Moscow's approval. It has released an emotive marketing film complete with dramatic background music.

It shows Club-K containers stowed on ships, trucks and trains as a neighbouring country prepares to invade with American style military equipment. The enemy force is wiped out by the cruise missile counter attack.

Russia has already prompted concern in Washington by selling Iran the sophisticated S-300 anti-aircraft missile system that would make targeting of Iranian nuclear facilities very difficult.

"This Club-K is game changing with the ability to wipe out an aircraft carrier 200 miles away. The threat is immense in that no one can tell how far deployed your missiles could be," said Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, who first reported on the Club-K developments. "What alerted me to this was that the Russians were advertising it at specific international defence event and they have marketed it very squarely at anyone under threat of action from the US."

Reuben Johnson, a Pentagon defence consultant, said the system would be a "real maritime fear for anyone with a waterfront". "This is ballistic missile proliferation on a scale we have not seen before because now you cannot readily identify what's being used as a launcher because it's very carefully disguised. Someone could sail off your shore looking innocuous then the next minute big explosions are going off at your military installations."


Club-K Container Missile System (http://www.morinsys.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=189%3A-lclub-kr&catid=81%3A-l-l-r&Itemid=55&lang=en)

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MATELO
26th Apr 2010, 08:42
:ooh::ooh::ooh:

NutLoose
26th Apr 2010, 09:01
You could imagine the Pzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzttttttt as they raised that into the overhead power lines in the UK :p

Jabba_TG12
26th Apr 2010, 09:25
Thing is, its not a "ballistic" missile, per se is it? Dont ballistic missiles have a fixed trajectory determined by the path taken immediately after launch and arent they significantly less manouverable than a cruise missile - ie any adjustments to warhead trajectory only happen during the re-entry phase? Whereas, within certain limits the TLAM-type weapon has far more of a "turn left at the traffic lights"/Terrain Contour mapping navigation, not to mention that it tends to fly more like a regular aircraft using an air-breathing engine as against a warhead that is thrown in a particular path to a nominated target by a rocket?

It doesnt strike me as being any different to the road-mobile TLAM's of the 1980s or even the Sub Launched TLAM's that there are now... and if I recall correctly (although I readily admit, its not like for like) havent the likes of Silkworm and Exocet had this kind of "capability" (ie to be hidden in ISO container-type launchers) for years?

Dunno what all the fuss is about. Someones just trying to scare the sheeple. :hmm:

Doctor Cruces
26th Apr 2010, 11:31
Surely removing the seabourne threat should be a simple as issuing the sailors version of a notam saying that any ship even looking like a container ship and transiting in XXX or YYY area WILL be sunk without warning and then carrying it out. I don't know a lot about the practicalities of sea operations, never having been involved in any. Bear in mind that I also don't understand why we can't just sink the Somali pirates on sight, so please be kind to me for this observation, which I freely admit is based solely on ignorance of operational reality in this area. Elucidation from members of this forum would be welcome.

Harder on land though.

barnstormer1968
26th Apr 2010, 11:43
As jabba points out, this is a cruise missile system, so most surface ships will already have defence systems on board which should easily defeat a large target like this approaching.

Jig Peter
26th Apr 2010, 14:01
Club-K sounds like something Mr. Clegg might like (among others ...).
Could be cheaper by far than Unterseeboote though ???

:hmm::hmm:

Gainesy
26th Apr 2010, 15:05
Hide it in a single-deck bus and call it Scud...:suspect:

Thelma Viaduct
26th Apr 2010, 16:36
That's not quite as frightening as a smuggled in nuke going bang.

Lightning Mate
26th Apr 2010, 18:26
I must be getting senile.

I thought that April 1st was some time ago................

green granite
26th Apr 2010, 18:58
Nothing new, Hitler had a similar system for launching V2s from Holland against the UK in 1944.

Torque Tonight
26th Apr 2010, 20:17
Someone seems to have mixed up their red and blue forces. Those poor cocktail-sipping, beach-lounging, bongo playing reds are attacked by the meanie militaristic blue aggressors. Or maybe, in Russia, reds are the friendly forces.

Looks more like the latest installment of 'Command & Conquer' to me.

UAV689
26th Apr 2010, 20:38
Hmm interesting. I agree with the above points about it being scud like etc, but imagine a container of these in southampton or Ipswich? That I think is the worring part, there are so many of those boxes, 1000s moving daily around the world. Only a very very small % ever get checked by customs etc. Would the blues invade the reds if they knew reds had these and were informed they were already landside in the blues backdoor..

Why the homo name though? Sounds a bit mincey

Gainesy
27th Apr 2010, 08:24
imagine a container of these in southampton or Ipswich?

Lost forever then.:)

Seriously, why would you want to launch from there? Why not just stuff a nuke mine in a container and take out the port?

UAV689
27th Apr 2010, 08:44
Seriously, why would you want to launch from there? Why not just stuff a nuke mine in a container and take out the port?

I am sure they would love that, but this would surely be easier and cheaper for the nasty people to get hold of than nukes.

ORAC
27th Apr 2010, 08:57
£10M isn't a lot, depending who's funding you.

One of these as deck cargo on a ship in the Channel or North Sea would be well within range (220km) to take out targets like the House of Commons etc. Quite a coup during someting like the reading of the Queen's Speech.

fallmonk
27th Apr 2010, 09:45
Nice idea apart from a few minor faults ESP on the ship one ,

your assuming it's going to be the top container! Also that it hasn't fallen off (hapens a lot) and is now resting with davie jones locker.
And have you ever saw the Way they treat containers at docks?
Some of the containers haven't moved in YEARS lost in the system

barnstormer1968
27th Apr 2010, 16:50
fallmonk.
You beat me to it. While it may be true that a country could not check all containers, only the the ones on the top of a stack, and at the end would ever need checking (or just have tow blokes with 66's at each port to shoot the container at times of heated tension)!

The container would also smell of explosives, so would be an instant hit to any sniffer dog in the port area.

Lastly, the name does sound a bit too much like 'club Med' or an old song from 'Wham'

UAV689
27th Apr 2010, 17:52
why be confined to keeping it in port...

create some shipping documents, get it picked up and taken out of the port...the homo club k could be sitting in an industrial estate in slough for years with no one the wiser...

ORAC
27th Apr 2010, 21:07
You miss the point. A cheap tramp steamer, a half dozen containers, a suicide crew, routed through the channel. Who's going to detect and stop it?

Jabba_TG12
28th Apr 2010, 06:33
These days ORAC?

What with no Nimrod and six ships to defend the coastline? :(

....I suppose some of those extra twenty Chinooks we're buying could perform constant Maritime Patrol couldn't they?:E

FlyingStarts
28th Apr 2010, 15:42
The most profitable military delivery systems have always been a bad joke, compared with more ubiquitous and effective means available for the most provocative of "sneak attacks" imaginable and feasible. Club-K is nothing game-changing in reality. But reality is very far from general public perceptions in the USA concerning such matters (real threats and effective deterrents/responses to such threats). When common awareness includes consideration of the limitless lethal applications and adaptations of our technoscape, the shift of awareness will be profoundly game-changing, and much for the better.

If it were to become common knowledge in the USA that defense industries in open societies can never offer the protections that are being intensively advertised for unprecedented profit, profound economic and political change would swiftly follow in a sweeping change of national outlook and trajectory.

We will regardless remain increasingly vulnerable to the physical potential for terrorist provocations, because lethal devices/adaptations and delivery systems will continue to advance along with every other technology. Such vulnerabilities are an inescapable given, so long as we can't de-invent or shut down our technologies and our individual freedoms. Our greatest vulnerability, or the greatest vulnerability being misaddressed is not in the real and persistent possibility of "terrorist" or "sneak" attacks, especially those lacking military and foreign-national wrappers.

Our greatest vulnerability is the increasingly-obsolete but heavily-promoted notion that massive military mobilizations are the intelligent and effective responses to criminal conversions of ubiquitous materials and systems (shipping containers, airliners, etc) into deadly lures that lead militaristic nations into rapidly over-extending and expending national wealth, hegemony, and binding principles.

In the USA we are purchasing at crippling cost the most obsolete and ineffective national-defense apparatus in human history, even while the ineffectiveness of our stupendous military apparatus is plain to all with willingness to observe events. We are a nation laboring to support an immense military industry, while we remain in deep and cultivated denial and confusion about security realities.

We are heavily discouraged from considering and speaking of our colossal national delusion and vulnerability, because the largest part of the US economy is based on gross distortion of public perception of national-security threats. We are maintaining at disastrous cost a gigantic defense apparatus and doctrine that are simply not reality-based.

If shipping-container launchers and their implications really surprised you, then (I'm sorry) you have been sorely deceived. US panic and rampage can be easily provoked at any time, with no military, state, or religious packaging necessary. It's high time for all of us to catch up to real-world situational-awareness.

Yes, life is and will always remain dangerous, and even lethal in the isolated and tragic moments when our pervasive and advancing technology is criminally diverted by the angry and insane. But the danger to our societies and nations will be greatly compounded beyond that inescapable and manageable, risk if we remain an incapacitated as a nation, handicapped in public situational awareness, and hobbled in terms of anticipating likely threats. If we remain irrational about scaling and focusing our deterrence of, and responses to all possible sneaky and nasty provocations, then we are doing nothing less than setting the USA up as history's biggest and dumbest Goliath, and screaming to a million determined Davids- "Bring It On". /rant :oh:

Self Loading Freight
28th Apr 2010, 15:57
I think I've found the prototype...

http://www.virtualtoychest.co.uk/m/mask/maskoutlaw1c.jpg

http://www.virtualtoychest.co.uk/m/mask/Outlaw.jpg

FlyingStarts
28th Apr 2010, 16:06
:ok: Remove that subversive toy at once! You will confuse loyal citizens, and give the bad guys ideas: We're only authorized to spread fear of our properly-branded enemies, like Saddam, the Taliban, and Iran, not... :sad:snake oil:suspect: