Global Pilot Training center, first officer program [Archive]

GPTC Administrator

13th Aug 2010, 16:23

SPEEDVDRAG: - Sri Lanka.

He paid $2500 before he arrives in Miami for his A320 TR/Base Check and 300 hr line training.

Upon receipt of his $2500, we sent him his M-1 visa, applied for his TSA and paid the fee, and after he arrived we proivided him 2 days of gound school and 1 sim session in the A320.

When we asked him to pay to start his A320 TR with a reputed TR organization in Miami then he stopped his training and him and his father said that they can pay after he completes his training, this is not what we agreed, (send me your e-mail addresses and I will forward you the whole conversation and the agreement we had with this chap)

Where on earth that pilots pay after completion of the training? specially when you are in a million dollar training program?

Usually every pilot has to pay 50% of the training cost prior to start their training, since this chap said he has some money issues we gave him a relief by asking him to pay 20% from the training cost.

After we have gone through all his paper work, prepared his M-1 visa, TSA and paid for all that + 2 days of ground school and 1 sim session in the A320, he is asking for his $2500 back, so is it fair?

That's all the money he gave, and he never had the money to pay for the rest of his training, so how can that be our fault? if he doesn't have the money for his training, he shoudn't have come here in the 1st place.

These type of pilots will never fly, bad attitude, bad flying skills, bad knowledge.

These are the reasons that they are not flying.

Don't you think we can pretend to be students and post 100's may be 1000's of good comments about GPTC, if we want to? we don't need to do that, because Pprune can't stop geuine pilots who have the passion for flying coming into our program.

Now you decide who is right and who is wrong?

Thank you all.

Bealzebub

14th Aug 2010, 11:14

Don't you think we can pretend to be students and post 100's may be 1000's of good comments about GPTC, if we want to? we don't need to do that, because PPRuNe can't stop geuine pilots who have the passion for flying coming into our program.

Now you decide who is right and who is wrong?

I was wondering who LKA17 (http://www.pprune.org/members/334277-lka17) is then?

GPTC Administrator

14th Aug 2010, 13:20

When did we steal money from you? you are not even a student pilot, you have a very long way to go.

Jambone Some pilots in the airline industry struggling to survive because of their bad mouth.:}

No more comments from us.

Thank you.

Fingersmac

14th Aug 2010, 15:03

GPTC Administrator wrote:

Now you decide who is right and who is wrong?

You're both wrong; one for signing up for this nonsense and the other for offering it in the first place.

LKA17

14th Aug 2010, 15:56

Who is LKA17??? What is this? Do you want me to send you my CV and invite you to my house for tea?

No one either Global Pilot Center or Eagle Jet forcing anybody or pointing a gun to your face to pay the money and enroll for the program.

If you think these guys are scammers, then stay away, stop crying :{ out loud in here.

The name Pprune say's it all, RUMOUR!!! if anyone here knows what it means.

So if you can't afford the program STOP being jealous :E trying to STOP other's who has money and wants the FAST track , if you can't afford this prgram take the traditional path.

And for those who are looking for time on type A320 go to GPTC and for those 737 guys go to EJ.

Real airlines don't hire? There are no fake airlines pal. You are just a kid when it comes to aviation and may be other things as well (15 yrs old).

No airline will hire without time on type, so you figure it out how you going to do that. Defenitely not pilots like you.

You can't log the time you spent in here in your log book :O

There will be no end to these arguments, so long people.

LEONIDA

14th Aug 2010, 17:09

that there is still people defending PAY TO WORK schemes. Many customers with 300-500 PAID hours in the logbook are at home UNEMPLOYED, and they were sent home to make room for new customers.
PAY TO WORK pilots you have ruined this job and profession.

Bealzebub

14th Aug 2010, 17:16

Who is LKA17??? What is this? Do you want me to send you my CV and invite you to my house for tea?

Oh no please, don't go to that much trouble. It is just that I am reliably informed that you and GPTC Administrator seem to be using the same computer?

SloppyJoe

14th Aug 2010, 22:18

This is one of the best threads I have read in ages. One guy pretending to be someone praising a PTF company and the same guy posting as that PTF company.

It is so obvious, same bad grammar, same way of talking and this is meant to be coming from someone wanting you to invest 1,000s $ training with them!!!!

Another clue is both posters have the same immature manner of saying things like they will never be a pilot or how childish someone is :-) I hope you die a slow and painful death. :-)

PPRuNe Towers

14th Aug 2010, 23:28

Establish facts.

Get it in writing.

Are there any line training slots to even sell?

Are staff members having to inhabit Miami's NW 36th street hotels err, managing the expectations of extremely hacked off students?

Are staff members spending night after night explaining to existing students that there are no line training slots available no matter how much money they may have?

Is the holy name of Stan uttered in every other breath and that he will arise and go unto the Bahraini's and will return triumphant with a deal for line training slots?

And finally, ask why Global feel the need to pay for ex students to come back to America and make supportive posts from Global's internet connection. Unless of course our Sri Lankan chum is so happy with the service he flew back on his own dollar just to help.

Perhaps not then.

Regards to all,
Rob

Just back from 2 weeks of mystery shopping in the aviation fleshpots of Florida

Oh dear, within 45 minutes of me posting this LKA17 (http://www.pprune.org/member.php?u=334277) / Global Admin had deleted the posts. Soon put a stop to that.

A320Dreamer

15th Aug 2010, 00:55

Well this certainly just got a bit more interesting.. GPTC, want to respond to these facts? Or the Sri Lankan "Pilot"? :}

PPRuNe Towers

22nd Sep 2010, 14:43

I rather think I answered the honourable gentleman's question at the top of this page.

GPTC removed posts in a startling reversal of that penultimate paragraph they have written above.

The truth is the truth and I personally sat there listening to errr, expectations of there being any line training available being 'managed.'

In other 36th Street news, I'm told two other Miami jet ratings schools have merged - Pan Am and Aeroservices. I use the word merged as I don't have definite details of the financial aspects. It was expressed to me as a Pam Am buy out/takeover and coffee room scuttlebut had suggested some degree of financial stress leading up to this news.

sgosain

17th Nov 2010, 19:46

hello Everyone,

I was also considering the A320 type/line training program at Global Pilot Training Center,, so far I've left about 10 voice messages and 5 emails to inquire about the program,,(costs, elegibility, future hiring prospects,,etc) yet neither the Admissions Officer nor the Manager will return my calls or reply to me emails??? Its been very frustrating and definately makes me a little worried about what kind of business they are really running??? and do I really want to invest in a company that wont even return my calls???

Can anyone help me understand this organization ?? And/Or recommend someone else.

Thanks,

S

wigwag

18th Nov 2010, 12:11

sgosain, 10 voice, 5 e-mails and your still interested in this company and you want help to understand this organisation? You need to get a grip man....

My advice has always been with contacting companies, try once or twice and after that don't bother anymore because they aren't.

Don't spend any money on aviation. Keep what license you have current and wait, simple as that, and as the pool of pay to fly dries up then airlines need to hire and work with pilots, not see them as cash cows.

Still have friends with time on type who are still not working, and thats with over 500 hours on type.

But, its your money and thanks to open forums on the internet you can learn lots and spend your money how you want.

Good luck

ww
:ok:

sgosain

18th Nov 2010, 17:41

Thanks Wigwag,, I kind of get the same feeling in my gut about the company, just a little desperation on my part I guess. However, Im in a situation being that I want to get my A320 type and 500hrs line to work in Asia and I just have to find a way,,, trust me I dont have that kind of money laying around, but Im willing to take out loans to get it done,,,given whats available to me in the US ,I just think the only way to get there is to go through a PTF program , but trying to find a legitimate one has been the challenge.. thanks

Sunny

SW1

18th Nov 2010, 17:49

If you must do it, contact Jonathan Curd at http ://www.a320typerating.com/

Contact me for more details..

By the way Jonas is a crook. Dont ever pay t$50,000 for his information on Armavia airlines, he will even give you bogus email contacts of people who have fictiously completed his course: Kenneth someone, total konman!!!!!!!!!!!

wigwag

19th Nov 2010, 10:36

sgosain,

Don't know how old you are, but, I could agree with you only if your in your late 40's and no previous flying experience, but what is the rush ? Why the need to go further into debt for a short cut with NO guarantees only to be further in debt ?

There is a lot of good advice here on PPRUNE just mixed in with a lot of bad advice and money grabbers (see adverts).

Ive never got a job through buying it, Ive done it through making contacts and networking and slowly working my way up the ladder. The fast track ticket is a crazy scheme and comes at a huge cost, the cost to the industry, to your pocket and image of pilots as a group.

We really are a laughing stock and only ourselves to blame for it. We have little credibility left now, paying to fly is a dream ticket for airlines and accountants, but only for them.

The more that pay, the more the scam's. I now know of FO's paying to fly to become captain to gain PIC time.... :confused: met 4 of them a few months back.

So here it is... Okay pay for your flight time and keep your fingers crossed that you'll get a full time job with a good contract at the end of it, because you'll need the money (if there is any) to pay your loans back.

What about PIC time? will you pay then ? No i hear you say... But if there are already qualified pilots out there unemployed what make s you different?

Will you sleep at night because you believe in the theory that this is an investment? Or is it a further gamble with your future health and wealth ???

SW1 is after your money and advertising for it so why not give him/her your money ?

Is there a list anywhere of all companies accepting payment to fly ? Why not name and shame ?

WW

SW1

19th Nov 2010, 11:09

Wigwag,

Before you start making uninformed accusations. I was trying to inform the person interested in that if they must do it, there are reputable companies that will give them the training. Do you reall want him/her to pay Jonas M $45,000 up front and then lose all his money with nothing to show for it. Theres no point saying dont do it etc, and not giving people valid alternatives. This guy clearly wants to get his A320 tr, for :mad: sake he has called up to 15 times and sent them numerous emails, he's obviously desperate to do it and it doesnt matter what you or I say. By the way, im not involved in any way with A320typerating.com, other than I know people who did the TR and SOME of them got jobs afterwards, SOME!!! so get your facts right before accusing me of making money:mad:

sgosain

19th Nov 2010, 16:32

Hey Guys,

thanks for the comments, just to let you know , Im 38yrs old, have my FAA Comm,Multi,Instrument, and CFI/CFII/MEI(not current) licenses,, about 1000hrs total time and want to fly in Asia (preferrebly India), so Im just ready to do this now before I get too old to even think about it.

I just received a email reply from GPTC today,,,maybe they monitor this thread,,,but now Im pretty sceptical :uhoh:, by the way ,,who is Jonas M???

At this point , Im really not concerned with which seat Im sitting in ,,PIC or SIC,,,I would be more than happy to fly SIC for a number of years,, and then when Im ready to move over,,I'll do it on merrit , not by paying for it,,or I'll move on to someone else. My goal is to retire as an airline pilot ,so Im looking at about a 20+ year career.

I have requested info from A320typerating.com,,,and will look into them as well, since I have family in England , might be a better option for me, however, will need to get that ATPL written done beforehand.

Sunny

sgosain

25th Nov 2010, 19:23

Thanks again Jonny, I sent you a message to your inbox,,,,anyway,, does anybody have any opinions or knowledge of Eagle Jet's TypeRating/Line Training program??

Sunny

SW1

26th Nov 2010, 15:59

All you guys should have contacted Bahrain Air yourselves.

You didnt have to pay this :mad: that kind of money when you could have communicated with the airlines yourself.

Im sure he has given you the contact details of a certian Kenneth who flew for Armavia, never contacted him myself as the whole process stunk from the start.

Im glad I never took this any further even in those times of complete desperation. I knew this guy was a cheapskate when he called me and asked if I could call him back:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Captain_djaffar

26th Nov 2010, 16:52

well,

by his reply

When did we steal money from you? you are not even a student pilot, you have a very long way to go.

Jambone Some pilots in the airline industry struggling to survive because of their bad mouth.

No more comments from us.

Thank you.

he does not sound well cultivated and mature.

sgosain

26th Nov 2010, 17:29

hello Jaiho,,I sent you a message,

thx
sunny

SW1

30th Nov 2010, 17:51

Cough Cough, Bahrain line training: [email protected] Save your money from the conmen.:ok:

SW1

30th Nov 2010, 18:51

Mick320,

God knows where you got that price from!! Jonas? Its about 30,000 GBP, so work that out into US$ yourself. Contact that email and hear it straight from them. Im just passing on information, that I shouldnt really, on to yourselves.:ok:

SW1

30th Nov 2010, 20:18

Mick, yeah I got the pdf brochure, hence I was never interested after that. Try AWVS in Greece.15000 Euros for 300 hours.

Superpilot

1st Dec 2010, 08:01

Bahrain Air are asking for $60,000 (USD) as of a few weeks ago. Absolutely no room for movement because there's no shortage of fools willing to pay. They can :mad:.

AWVS and virtually ever other provider of line training expects you to do their own TR first. Sharks everywhere.

SW1

2nd Dec 2010, 11:25

Mick320,

The figures I have are from earleir this year, February so obviously gone up substantially. Regarding AWVS, when I enquired about any kid of line training, they told me its fine if you have the TR, does not need to be done with them. If you want the guys in charges number, yo can PM me. Best to ask the person in charge yourself. I have no idea if they are credible or not, im only going by what was said to me.....

SW1

2nd Dec 2010, 11:38

I dont think they are related, this guy has not had the press that Jonas has had. Theres not loads of people stating they have lost 5 figure sums. If you want to get in contact with the guy, you can PM me.

latestpilotjobs.com • View topic - AWVS Ltd Line Training??? (http://latestpilotjobs.com/viewtopic.php?t=30) some information on this website....

Madder

2nd Dec 2010, 12:24

Now I am not beeing patronising or spiteful as I have tried getting cheated myself earlier on. But, some of you guys really do know how to dig your own graves.

1) Never trust anyone when it comes to big money - especially in this buisness

2) Legal action will probably not work and if it does you will probably just be right, but never see your money.

3) Dont pay to work - It is the root of all evils and it just add fuel to the fires of conmen like the one you have met. They flurish in these conditions. Are you really that desperate guys?

captainsuperstorm

5th Dec 2010, 13:00

hello,

jonas(or stan, who cares???) proposed me an offer as well( my dog have smelled the scam when I printed the e-mail) , several months ago, but...
guys..., where is the contract?, do you have a contract with them? do you have a clause for cancellation? refund?if problems arise... something like :" if we can not offer a traning after 6 months, we will refund the customers the total amount minus 200$ admin fee"

if you have nothing in writing, on what base do you want you money back?
this jonas could say it' s a donation, or a gift!!!

you can bet this jonas will file bankrupt soon. I guess he is waiting for some more money from poor chaps who don't read pprune.

anyway, this sound a fraud. contact DHS who gave them tourist Visa to this jonas, report plaint to the FAA (Mabe they can tell you what to do), file plaint to the chambre of commerce, and get a lawyer!

if guilty he will face jail time and fine. I have seen people in the US runing flight schools, filed bankrupt, took all students money.Later they stole cheques, and they finished in jail.

BLUEANGEL38

9th Jan 2011, 11:26

Dear WS1,

let me ask you if you know someone who knows something about AWVS? someone who had made their building program? any reference?

Than you in advance,

Cheers

captainsuperstorm

10th Jan 2011, 13:44

blueangel, yes I know guys(parasites) who start their training with them, never finished, and their money is gone...don't believe me, why don't you send them your money, so we can all have a good laugh!

":{bouhhh, they took all my money, bouhhhh:{"

BLUEANGEL38

10th Jan 2011, 15:04

Hi SW1, let me ask you if you know someone or something about AWVS Ldt respect their building program? I´m working in an article in order to unmask to all these type of companies.Thank you in advance

SW1

10th Jan 2011, 15:16

Im sorry I dont know anyone that has completed their training with AWVS. Why dont you send them an email and they can answer your questions directly?

BLUEANGEL38

10th Jan 2011, 15:27

Do you really think that they are gonna to tell me that info if it´s true? I don´t think so, for this reason I need testimonials.

captainsuperstorm

20th Jan 2011, 03:06

legal actions? are you kiding? these pilots have not even a contract. On what base they can file a plaint?
they hand over their money like a gift.

Jonas already sent "his money to brazil, money is gone, spent,..., he will say, it was invested in his crashing companies and lost all.

my god, you are all so desperate to fly a jet, that you prefer to take the risk to lose all your money.
I hope it will be a lesson for all of you, and especially for the future chaps looking for P2F.

captain superstorm, a proud PAID pilot.:ok:

Speedbird744

20th Jan 2011, 18:50

Check out this GPTC advertisement. Avoid like the plague.

YouTube - sjbodner's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/sjbodner)

cyrilroy21

20th Jan 2011, 19:06

Here's another video :hmm:

YouTube - Global PilotTraining Teaser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRh6csT6Xig&feature=related)

BigNumber

20th Jan 2011, 19:07

I really cannot see the value of this thread? But, perhaps I'm missing something. Where is the story?

A bunch of rather foolish kids 'kindly' donated their parents equity to a 'Dirk Diggler' ( Movie Boogie Nights ) look alike.... now they are surprised that they got played. Why? Could they not see this coming? Is it really not blindingly obvious to anyone that might hope to pursue a career in the sky? Are pilots not largely selected / paid for their situational awareness and judgement?

Once again... " Not all that pay to fly are fools, but the majority of fools will pay to fly."

Happy Paying.:D

SW1

20th Jan 2011, 19:40

YouTube - the touch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C9Bng7NPPY)

"Youre a winner". Big number cant really see the resemblance but thought this song is probably played in an office in Miami after the mongeloid fleeces everyone! Stay away from this guy.

Also ask if he can give you the contacts of the people featured on his testimonials page.:ok:

scetoaux

22nd Jan 2011, 22:06

Dear Pilots who have been scammed by Global Pilot Training:

In addition to the online form posted before, please print the PDF form and along with proof of your wire transfer and POST MAIL the documents to the address below:

http://www.myfloridalegal.com/consumercomplaint.pdf

Please return completed consumer contact form to:
Office of Attorney General Pam Bondi
State of Florida
PL-01, The Capitol
Tallahassee, Florida 32399-1050

Also make sure you FAX a copy of what you send to the Attorney General to the:

Economic Crimes Division
Office of the Attorney General
The Capitol
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
Fax: 850-488-4483

Stay tuned guys, we will soon be posting the FAA contacts Office of Inspector General, Training Fraud Division once I confirm the issue with the authorized personnel.

DO NOT LET THESE GUYS GET AWAY. THIS IS THE UNITED STATES AND THERE IS A LAW TO HOLD THESE SCAMMERS ACCOUNTABLE.

MOGEFK THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT, PLEASE FORWARD THIS INFO AS WELL.