FDP and DP: what about your airline??

[funkypilot]

Hi everybody,

I am carefully following the FTL rulemaking tasks that are undertaken at the moment at EASA, but the actual practices are very often different from the minimum required by the regulation. A question came to me about the actual accounting spread between FDP and DP at departure. For instance, some airlines allows the DP to begin 90 minutes before actual flight and FDP 60 minutes before actual flight.

How does it work at your airline? (for CC and FC if possible)

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[boredcounter]

FDP Report (as per Part A) prior to operating until brakes on last sector flown.

DP Report (as per Part A) prior to operating until brakes on last sector flown + debrief time (again as per Part A) or arrival at base / next base if positioning.

Are some Airlines allowing 'Duty Pay' to start earlier at some bases due to things such as traffic, distance from Staff Car Park to report etc, without an impact on allowable FDP?

Sorry if I have the wrong end of the stick,

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[funkypilot]

Actually, some airlines are allowing DP and FDP to begin 60 minutes or even 90 minutes before the actual flight! And my question was about knowing what is the practice at your airlines.

Does the FDP begins with of after the DP?

How much time before the actual flight does the DP begins ?

Thanks a lot

[boredcounter]

As a rule, DP and FDP will always start at the same time, sorry to be a bore here but they both start at report time, as per your roster.

Depending on the type of flying, or indeed any agreement for service, this may be variable, but defined, either in Part A or the AFS.

Most of the pax airlines I have worked for (European SH) Report would be 1 Hr prior to sector 1 STD. long haul may be 1 Hr 30, where as an AFS agreement I heard of last night, the "senior" CCM report was 1 Hr 45!

Lots of variables I'm afraid.

As for the DP starting before the FDP, I can only think of one example I know of from personal experience:

UK based FTLS. STD 0645, Standard CC/FD report 0545. FD permitted @ 0600 to comply with legal day off requirement if aircraft pre-fuelled to a standard fuel load agreed with the CAA. FD now in a more favourable report time band FTLS wise, CC apply the same FDP as FD. DP started before FDP in this case, The FDP (FD) being the limiting.



Again, sorry if I have the wrong end of the stick,


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