La Roché

[samca]

Hi there,

I have a possible flight to LFBV, and I have a look to the Jeppesen charts and see just 1 frequency and french only.

Also in the airport briefing says
Site recognition, or training on a simulator equipped with a specific visual
device approved for that purpose, is mandatory

My company is trying to reach anybody there in order to get a english controller and also I dont have experience in that field.

Any info apreciated.

cheers

[merlinxx]

Airport +33 251 374603 Fx 251 462771 Met 251 055500

Hope this helps

[samca]

Thanks,

Do you know if they can speak english??,

[Gulfstreamaviator]

What is so unusual that needs a sim check first.

it is a typical VFR French airport, I think.

Google map shows no major problems, in the close pattern.

Glf

ps please see later post for apology.

[hoermir]

Well the reason for the training requirement is mentioned in the airport briefing and evident from the approach chart: The ILS 32 is steep (5,50°). Also the MSA is fairly high (Apt. Elev. 379', but MSA of 3400/4100').
You have a loophole though as per the airport briefing: You can operate there during daytime with minimum ceiling 2000', vis 8000 m without the sim-training/site recognition.

[Gulfstreamaviator]

I did not have access to IAP, data.

5.5 is tops.!!!!!

Do any sims actually have the data base, or would any 5.5 slope do the job.

There are airframe restrictions on a 5.5 slope also.

Most AFM are not approving 5.5 slopes, IFR.

glf

[lanef300]

I'm sorry but there are an ILS and a circling approach...at least according to the SIA:
https://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/aip/enligne/fr/..%5CPDF_AIPparSSection%5CIAC%5CAD%5C2%5C1003_AD-2.LFBV.pdf

[His dudeness]

Thts what the AIP says....

For allaircraft operated in General aviation for which the maximum certified take off weight is more than 5700 kg, or for turbojet aircraft, or for
which the maximum passenger seat approved configuration is more
than 9, all operational requirements relating to public transport described
hereafter are applied.

2 OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY FRENCH OR FOREIGN
PUBLIC AIR TRANSPORT OPERATOR
2.1 Site recognition, or training on a simulator equipped with a specific visual device approved for that purpose, is mandatory. It must be performed byflight captains for any aerodrome procedure. If no site recognition or simulator training can be performed, landings or takeoffs may be performedby day only, under the following minimum weather conditions: ceiling 2000 ft and VIS 8000 m.
During his training, the operator can take into account the flight captain’s
experience on the site.
2.2 Landings or takeoffs on VFR flight may be performed by day only with the
following minimum weather conditions: ceiling 3000 ft and VIS 8000 m.
2.3 All operators must set specific instructions for use of the aerodrome.
The operators’ attention is particularly drawn to the fact that many aircraft
are not covered by certification standards for a steep slope operation.
2.4 Prior deposit of a file to the DAC/S for any operator, 15 days before the
first flight planned at the latest, specifying in particular the operational
limits, the n and n-1 engine takeoff paths and the specific instructions for
use of the aerodrome.
2.5 For ACFT:
- multi-engine with turbo prop ACFT whose maximum certified passenger
seat configuration is more than 9 or whose maximum take-off weight is more
than 5700 kg
- or multi-jet engine whatever the maximum take-off weight
- or propeller whose maximum certified passenger seat configuration is less
than or equal to 9 and whose maximum take-off weight is less than or equal
to 5700 kg.
The file sent to DAC/S, before using the AD, will include data relevant to certification for steep approach procedure.
For other aircraft, the operator will check the capability to carry out this type
of approach.
Deposit of files to the:
DIRECTION DE L’AVIATION CIVILE SUD
Aéroport de Toulouse Blagnac
BP100 - 31703 BLAGNAC CEDEX
☎ : 05 62 74 64 00 - FAX: 05 62 74 64 09


So yes you can get in VFR, but still have to sent a plan to the DGAC. 15 days in advance, how practical!

Yet another example of overregulation.

[BlueVolta]

This airport is due to close by june...
A brand new uphill is almost complete, so the pbm is solved....

In a lot of place it would have been easier (eg Soin or Lugano) but we are in France and somehow we have to justify several thousand employees in the DGAC that are paid for doing nothing.

Compared to the DGAC, UK CAA is heaven! :E

[lanef300]

Compared to the DGAC even Hell is Heaven!

[galaxy flyer]

This is pretty idle banter, but looking at the chart, there doesn't seem to be a terrible terrain problem. The hill on the right side of the hold is only terrain in final segment, the terrain on the chart is relatively distant for operations under the specified weather mins.

GF

[Denim and leather]

Hi,

As far I remember, by good weather there are a lot of gliders and aerobatic school.
Enjoy your trip,there are good restaurants over there.
Cheers