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fire wall
31st Jan 2001, 05:47
Flight originally scheduled to depart Narita for Singapore at 19:00, January 27, 2001.
Snowstorm in Tokyo meant runways were closed and flight was to be delayed, possibly until next morning but with a chance of a late night take-off if the snow eased off. SQ staff hinted that if the flight didn’t leave that night, we would be accommodated in a nearby hotel.

At around 20:45, there were still no official announcements of when the flight was leaving but I noticed the cockpit and cabin crew leaving the airport with their overcoats on and a box each of the in-flight food. A friend I was travelling with overheard them say they wanted a good meal in town and were travelling by train to the hotel.

At around 21:15 the rest of the in-flight food was unloaded and handed out to the passengers, who still did not have an announcement on the departure time.

At around 22:00 it was officially, albeit ambiguously announced that the flight was cancelled for the night and would leave at 09:45 the next morning. No announcement was made as to what was to happen to the passengers in the meantime.

Around 22:45, I complained to SQ staff about their lack of organization and asked whether we were going to a hotel overnight. SQ said they had booked a hotel for us all but we couldn’t get there as roads were all closed due to the snow. This turned out to be an outright lie (see below).

Around 23:00 I happened to spot some sleeping bags and asked why there wasn’t an official announcement about them. Was told by SQ that this was because “we didn’t ever ask you to sleep at the airport” – like I had a choice!

SQ then changed the next morning’s departure time from 09:45 to 12:00, as they said the crew needed their full 12 hours of rest. Why they didn’t realise this when they announced 09:45 is beyond me, but the further delay infuriated passengers who were already facing a night on the floor of the airport. No suggestions were made as to how we were to shower/eat the next morning.

Next morning, around 10:00 am, I was told by a Tokyo resident on the phone that they had travelled by bus the night before from Narita to Tokyo at around 10pm and the roads were 100% open. I made a formal complaint to the customer service agent (I couldn’t help but laugh at the misnomer) who insisted the roads were closed. Another lie.

Moreover, the CSA intimated that I was lying, in telling him the roads were in fact open. I closed my long and frustrating conversation with this CSA when he, in a final burst of true professionalism, told me that if I was going to continue to demand my legal rights as a passenger, he was going to refuse to talk to me. What customer service training did this guy receive??

Then phoned the SQ Tokyo station manager, who proceeded to inform me, amidst more lies and excuses, that, yes the roads were open the previous night, but the problem was there were not enough hotel rooms for us. Reason being – first class and business class passengers had been bussed out to the hotel to stay overnight. What???? Apparently, in a bumbling cloak and dagger operation, FC and BC passengers were escorted from the FC/BC lounge to the bus, so that economy passengers would remain none the wiser to their entitlements. These are specifically stated under IATA regulations, of which SQ is a signatory.

And you can’t tell me that Tokyo does not have enough hotel rooms on one particular night …. I live there, I should know. Perhaps not enough at budget rates?

In conclusion, there was never an attempt by any SQ staff to either apologize or offer compensation. Let alone to admit they had screwed up so badly that we were left in Narita airport for a total of 17 hours before our next flight out, with nothing but a sleeping bag and cold coffee.

How did they ever get that service award?

Oh, and another thing. There was also an SQ flight going out the same night to Los Angeles. These passengers were left sitting on the aircraft on the tarmac for six hours before they were de-planed and then went through the same tortuous scenario described above.

One more thing, a fellow passenger who finally travelled with me to Singapore the next day, had her check-in baggage travel on a later SQ flight … without her. Industry norm says one extra bag is a bomb threat and one extra passenger is a potential highjack. In light of the recent Taipei accident, this disregard of safety procedures in favour of expediency is alarming to say the least.

Signed, a frustrated, exhausted passenger who used to be happy to pay a premium for supposedly superior service. Not anymore.

PS A copy of the above has been forwarded to IATA for their consideration.


[This message has been edited by fire wall (edited 31 January 2001).]

Bellyman
31st Jan 2001, 12:50
Swore I would never join this forum ....but here I am .....as a result of a promise to SIA that I would pursue them in any and all public forums available.
The record of events and behaviour of the SIA staff is accurately recorded in the above post.
I had a family member on that flight and was advised directly of the situation at the airport.
I however have a little more than that to offer as I flew that day ...from mid-morning to late in the evening and was driven to my apartment in Tokyo at 10:50pm.
Tokyo was hit by an unusual and definitely unseasonal mix of snowstorm and high winds and by the end of the day the temperature rose above freezing and in some places up to a foot of slush was covering the SIDES of the roads.
The roads were however clear except south in Yokohama where they were in fact closed.
The roads in the Narita and Tokyo area were never closed.
Traffic was minimal for the Tokyo area and travel time to my apartment was completed in less than normal time (Tokyo residents often deliberately avoid such conditions...stay at home....travel late etc)
As often evidenced in the past ...if it involves a dollar bill liability SIA is seen rapidly heading for the exit.....IATA agreements notwithstanding.
There are of course records to support the claim for compensation...Met reports ....Police reports on Road Conditions....Hotel Percentage Occupancy...Bus Logs (SIA also claimed the busses were not running).
Point is ...do the passengers have the resolve?
Start your counting at 2.

The Sleeping Pax
1st Feb 2001, 10:09
Bellyman, I kook forward to reading your complaint in Business Traveller Asia-Pacific! That magazine threw as many awards that it could think of to SIA and Singapore based companies last year. I wonder if it's because the magazine is based there? Let's see.

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Wake me up when we get there

ITman
3rd Feb 2001, 05:05
I have to say that SQ lives in cloud cookoo land, the service is total rubbish. Yes you get the special Singapore arrogant girl walking up and down the isle big deal! On the last six flights the food has been a joke and if I was one of the chef's whose name is branded in the menu I would be very emabarresed.

I am not at all surprised by all the bad press SQ gets, its aircraft are dirty both inside and out with seat backs hanging off the door arming cover on 1L held by speed tape (9V-SMO)sure inspires confidence...!

Ah.! yes the IFE on the last two trips not working at all, after a big annoucement how great it was by the cabin crew, US$ 50 vouchers given to any passenger who asked why it was not working, I understand that if the CSO gets 3 pax complaints on any flight she/he has to explain the problem to the line manager.

The big question I have have is that all the aircraft I have travelled on with problems are ex. Singapore the home base..! so that starts to make you think about that magic word called maintenance.

Finally, I have noticed that the flight deck crew board the plane just as the Y class pax. join, so if there are any documentation issues the flight is delayed had this joy several times....

I suspect as stated in the thread earlier on Singapore companies will always award the local companies first, it is part of the Singapore culture, we are the best and there is nothing beyond Singapore.

Sorry SQ used to be a high milage flyer, gave up and joined the real airlines of this world, who know what customer service has to be.

Phileo
3rd Feb 2001, 06:57
The previous 6 trips with SQ within one year was a great experienced. All the IFE was working on my seats (of course not in the A310 case). All the cabin crew worked very hard to serve the passagers. As far as my request are reasonable, it was never been rejected. Maybe I was lucky because I never have any serious delay flight with them (except the latest trip where I have to travel by bus in Changi and board the plane due to change of plane). However, I still arrived my destination on time.
By the way, BusinessTraveller Asia Pacific was based in HK, not in SG.

star gold
3rd Feb 2001, 20:48
I did 31 flights with SQ last year and things were generally pretty good although some F/A's slip into Singapore hustle & bustle mode easily. The only other real choice I have is QF & I have experienced enough of their service to fly someone else.

Where I am SQ only fly B777 to Sin and from my reading of the A/C regos they only have about 5 of them at this stage (77 ordered in the inflight magazine, no doubt someone will correct me). I think I did 3 or 4 flights on 9VSRE towards the end of the year and the inseat LCD's and flightpath display only worked once.

The excuses given for late departures are annoying when they are obviously for a different reason. The hot towells are great but the usage of the lights above the windows instead of the aisle lights in the B777 is a disaster on the SIN-BNE leg when you are trying to sleep (lights off for T/O, on for 2 hours for meal, off, on again 2 hours before arrival). I've even suffered the E seat to get sleep.

After reading the other forums regarding SQ & my own contact with locals I not really surprised about some of the stories.

titan
5th Feb 2001, 07:38
Phileo:
It was "arriving at your destination on time" that led to 80 passengers at Taipai never arriving anywhere else again.
But never mind, as long as you feel fat, dumb and happy sitting there in your seat, then I don't suppose much else matters.

good luck.

GalleyWench
5th Feb 2001, 17:36
ITMan,While I do not work for SQ and therefore will not defend them, some of the things you witnessed happen on all airlines and need a bit of explanation. Most airlines pilots do not board when the cabin crew does, but later as the flight planning, weather checks, etc are done in flight ops not onboard. Our pilots board the aircraft about 15-20 minutes after we do and that is probably fairly standard throughout the industry. As for inop IFE, if the previous occupant did not let the cabin crew know of this, there is no way it can be repaired on the ground sit time. Even if it is written up,the mechanics may have had a look at it and it could be something that needs to be repaired in more time than the AC is on the ground.Is it worth a delay to everyone to fix a video? If there is no other comparable seat to move a pax to(same cabin of service) we too give out travel vouchers , specific dolllar amounts based on the problem and again, cabin seated in.

Herb
15th May 2001, 08:56
Service awards are directly related to money spent at a particular company/magazine on advertising. Nothing less nothing more.

upupnaway
15th May 2001, 14:16
Star Gold, I agree, have had an absolute gut full of QF. From here the choice is QF 767 with zilch or SQ 777 with seat back videos, hot towels (not ice towels as QF)FRIENDLY service and a big big dinner plate!!!(cattle class). Last flight i had with QF the FSD made a big deal about new seats with adjustable head rests, I felt like standing up and asking him if anyone at QF headquarters ever takes a SQ flight for comparisions. Interesting point do they????

CargoOne
16th May 2001, 16:17
I will not be surprised if SQ agent told you the true about lack of hotel rooms. I believe that there was a lot of delayed/cancelled flight on that night, not only SQ to SIN, isn't it? Just think about it... To accomodate all passengers from 3 delayed flights operated on 747 you need to fill ALL rooms in 2 big hotels (300-500 rooms each). Are you extecting that you can find any big hotel with about 95-100% rooms available? I can tell you another example. Last autumn we operated adhoc flight to BCN (not so small town, isn't it?) and our operations (and handling agent as well) were unable to find 2 or 3 rooms to put crew on the rest for the night. Finally, handling agent found ONE, ONLY ONE appartment, located 35 kms from airport, at USD 1100 per night (it was king-suit with jacuzi).
So, SQ desition to make it's best to accomodate F and J pax seems reasonalbe to me.

Skippy2002
24th Jan 2006, 08:56
I think you can consider yourself lucky. About 10,000 people were left stranded overnight at Narita Airport on Saturday night trying to get out. The Management at the Airport was DISCRACEFUL. They did their best to keep us in the dark by Lying and keeping information from us. We were not given blankets, food or water and were not told when our flight to Sydney was to be rescheduled. Our original flight was due to leave at 9 :00 pm on Saturday, no announcement was made to say that it was delayed and then at 8:00 am in the morning we noticed that it was listed on one monitor for 18:30 on Sunday. They did not list a gate number and a large group of passengers managed to get some information from Airport staff who reluctantly told us that it might leave from gate 62. At 18:00 when the JL plane parked at this gate was being pushed away, it became obvious that the plane was not going to leave from this gate. One of the passengers managed to locate a sign that said the plane was leaving from another gate and we all made our way to this gate which was some distance away. This proved to be the correct gate, but at 18:30 it looked like there might not be any plane there either and we all felt we were being lied to again. A riot almost started, security guards arrived and it was all very distressing. The problem was that the crowd did not believe their stories and we all felt that they were telling lies to buy more time. I personally think if we had not kicked up a fuss they would have made us stay another night. As it was we were put onto the plane at 22:00 and left waiting another 2 hours while they tried to locate 50 missing passengers at the Airport. They probably made no announcements, and did not display any information on any monitors to say that the plane was leaving. As it was 18 people were left behind and are probably still there now. I think the management at Narita Airport are to blame, they were inconspicuous and left it to the poor girls at the counters to lie to us on their behalf.

Disgruntled JAL passenger.

:mad:

bealine
24th Jan 2006, 09:57
Service awards are directly related to money spent at a particular company/magazine on advertising. Nothing less nothing more.

.......Absolutely spot-on herb!!!

and the drivel served up to the masses by the so-called "Celebrity" world is exactly the same bull5hit!!! BAFTA, OSCARS, GRAMMY etc etc etc - it's cheap entertainment to push so-called "celebrities'" careers forward!!!

The world is a cold, calculating place!!!

slim_slag
24th Jan 2006, 11:08
You need to pay for their consitently superior service; that means flying business/first or flying enough to get status in Silver Kris. Down the back they aren't really any different from the rest of them, some good days and some bad days. Mostly indifferent.