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The Guvnor
14th Aug 2000, 02:11
This article was in today's Sunday Times, and carries several very interesting points.

Next time you board an aircraft, ask yourself a question: if this
thing crashes, what are my chances of surviving? Research
shows that most people's answers are unduly pessimistic. A lot
will guess their chances as zero, which might explain why they
ignore the safety briefing, down a few drinks, then pop a
sleeping pill. Hell, if it happens, it happens.

But researchers in America have found that, even in a
calamitous air accident, your chances of survival are as high as
80%. There are several reasons for this, including the fact that
most accidents occur on or near the ground, often during takeoff
or landing, when the deceleration forces on impact are within
the tolerance levels of the human body.

But why should one passenger die, and another survive? You
might think this is simply a matter of luck, but you'd be wrong:
crash investigators have found time and time again that those
who survived have been those who reacted quickly, thought on
their feet and evacuated the aircraft swiftly. Often, those who
died have sat frozen in panic, staring numbly at the seat back in
front of them.

One of the most tragic cases of this kind occurred in 1985,
when an Airtours Boeing 737 caught fire at Manchester airport.
An engine failed during takeoff, rupturing a fuel tank and causing
fire to spread to the cabin. Of the 55 people who perished, 50
were killed by the effects of smoke inhalation and five died of
burns.

NEGATIVE PANIC

Dianne Worby, who trains cabin crew and pilots in dealing with
the immediate after-effects of a crash, says many of those who
died at Manchester failed to get out of the wreckage in time
because they suffered "negative panic". "Normally with fire
sweeping through the cabin, you would expect passengers
sitting near emergency exits to have the best chance of
survival," says Worby. "But at Manchester it didn't work like
that. Some passengers close to the exits sat frozen in panic,
while the more determined clambered over seats and got out by
any means they could." Worby says that in the vital moments
after the crash, some passengers calmly tried to retrieve their
carry-on bags and other personal effects even as fire swept
through the aircraft. This is not unusual: similar behaviour has
been reported by crash investigators worldwide.

Robert Bor, a professor of aviation and travel psychology at
London Guildhall University, thinks part of the explanation lies in
our assumption that, in the event of a crash, we are doomed
anyway. "People's chances of surviving an air crash are far
better than they imagine," he says. "They tend to be fatalistic,
but research shows that passengers who have an escape plan
are more likely to survive."

Bor says that many people, when they board an aircraft, refuse
to contemplate the chance of something going wrong. "We don't
want to think about the possibility of dying, so we don't pay
sufficient attention to the safety briefings; instead, we hand over
responsibility to those in authority and assume they'll take care
of things. Flying infantalises us - we are told when to eat, when
to stand up, when to go to the toilet - so, in the event of an
emergency, we simply wait for instructions." Bor thinks this is
why so many passengers experience negative panic, but says it
can also lead to disaster if those in charge make a wrong
decision. In 1980, fire broke out on a Lockheed Tristar just after
takeoff at Riyadh, in Saudi Arabia. The captain returned to the
ground and told passengers to remain in their seats as he
taxied off the runway. Everybody did as they were told, although
smoke was pouring into the cabin. When the aircraft came to a
halt, fire had already taken hold and, in the ensuing blaze, all
301 people on board died.

ESCAPE PLAN

"I'm not suggesting that people ignore the captain and crew,"
says Bor, "but there are occasions when common sense is
needed." Worby, who has been teaching survival courses for
eight years and is a qualified pilot, says a positive mental
attitude is only part of the key to walking away from an air
crash. Like Bor, she says all passengers should have an
"escape plan": they should understand the brace position, count
the rows to their nearest emergency exit and listen to the safety
briefing.

"When I fly as a passenger, I go through it all in my head -
where the exits are, where my life jacket and oxygen mask are,
how the doors open," says Worby. "In a crash, many people
seem to assume that they must go out the way they came in,
and they'll try to battle to the front of the aircraft when there
might be an exit just two rows behind them." She says it is vital
to memorise the number of rows between you and the nearest
exit. If fire breaks out, thick toxic smoke may fill the air and
you'll be crawling on all fours, struggling to see and breathe.

Worby is frequently asked which part of an aircraft is safest.
"The frivolous answer is the back, because no plane ever
reverses into a mountain, but the truth is there is no single safe
place," she says. "In some accidents, the back has been the
worst place to be." The section between the wings is
structurally most sound, but it is also closest to the fuel tanks.
"I would take an aisle seat close to an exit, regardless of
whether it was at the front, middle or back." Worby says
passengers should focus on surviving the moment of impact.

Small things matter: remove your spectacles (they can shatter
and break your nose) and put them in the sick bag for safe
keeping. "Also, take out false teeth," says Worby. "They could
choke you or fly out at speed and injure somebody else."
Empty pockets: tests have shown that, in a head-on crash, a
pen in a jacket pocket can be propelled forward at such a speed
that it will fly through the seat back in front, and its occupant.
Seatbelts should be tightened around hips; a lose belt can
allow its wearer to "submarine", or slide forward, on impact,
causing the belt to ride up and dig into the soft tissue of the
abdomen. Typical injuries include ruptured livers, spleens and
bowels.

Most importantly, passengers need to know the brace position,
in which they are bent double with their forehead pressed
against the seat in front, arms wrapped around their head and
feet flat on the floor. This version of the position is relatively new:
traditionally, passengers were told to put their arms straight out
against the headrest in front and stretch out their legs under the
seat in front. Then Kegworth happened.

On January 8, 1989, a British Midland Boeing 737-400 from
London to Belfast developed engine trouble and was diverted to
East Midlands airport. The crew shut down the wrong engine
and the aircraft fell short of the runway, eventually crashing on
an embankment of the M1, killing 47 of the 126 people on
board.

As investigators analysed every aspect of the tragedy, attention
turned to the injuries sustained by passengers: all but 10
suffered head or face injuries, 47 had broken or dislocated arms
or shoulders, 38 suffered abdominal trauma and there were
dozens of leg injuries.

REAR-FACING SEATS

After Kegworth, extensive tests were carried out at RAF
Farnborough and the new brace position was proposed. Five
years later, it was adopted by the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA).
But another finding emerged from Kegworth: the cabin crew,
sitting in high-backed rear-facing seats, suffered fewer injuries
than passengers. Campaigners asked why passengers were not
offered similar seats.

The RAF had adopted rear-facing seats as early as 1945, after
tests showed they allowed passengers to withstand higher
impacts. In 1958, a US Air Force study concluded that
forward-facing passengers were seven times more likely to
suffer injury than aft-facing passengers. The airline industry,
however, insists that travellers don't want to face the "wrong
way". The CAA says: "A lot of modern aircraft cruise 'nose up',
which would mean passengers would spend most of the flight
leaning forward." It says there is "no clear case" for introducing
them. British Airways told a Commons select committee that
rear-facing seats would be "unpopular with passengers", and
British Midland said they offered "no commercial advantage".
The committee's report, published last year, concluded: "This
assessment may be correct, but we received no evidence that
passengers had been consulted about the matter."

There are other arguments against rear-facing seats. In some
crashes, the overhead bins have collapsed, sending heavy bags
and bottles of duty-free spirits flying forward through the cabin;
passengers facing the rear might have received serious face and
head injuries. Also, in a head-on collision, a rear-facing seat
absorbs more impact from its occupant and needs to be
attached more firmly to the floor of the fuselage, which, in turn,
would have to be strengthened. Altering aircraft would be
expensive and, says the CAA, bring with it a "weight penalty".
Heavier planes consume more fuel, putting up costs.

The problem with the existing lap belts is that, in a head-on
crash, a passenger's entire weight is thrown against the belt,
causing the body to "jack-knife"; seats are designed to collapse
forward on impact to reduce head injuries. One possible solution
to this would be to fit shoulder harnesses like those worn by the
cabin crew. Most experts agree this would save lives, but again,
the weight penalty would be significant, and the enormous cost
would inevitably lead to higher fares.

SMOKE HOODS

Another contentious issue is the use of smoke hoods. These
come in various forms but the simplest type is a fire-resistant
translucent bag with an air filter attached that protects the
wearer from smoke and some of the toxic gases produced in a
blazing aircraft, such as carbon monoxide, hydrogen cyanide,
benzine and hydrogen chloride.

Most experts agree that an individual passenger has a far higher
chance of survival with a smoke hood than without. Not only are
wearers protected from smoke, they also have improved visibility
and protection from flaming debris. However, many of the same
experts say hoods should not be issued to all passengers. This
is because even a small delay while some passengers struggle
to put on the hoods could hold up the evacuation. Commercial
aircraft are designed to be evacuated in 90 seconds; just two
minutes after a fire starts in the cabin, toxic gases can explode
into flames - the point known as "flashover".

In 1991. the CAA conducted a study into the use of smoke
hoods and estimated that they could reduce crash deaths by
18%. However, it concluded that they should not be introduced:
it would take only a few passengers to hesitate over whether to
put on the smoke hood or head straight for the exit "before a
disciplined and orderly evacuation becomes disorganised and
chaotic".

Although there seems little prospect of smoke hoods becoming
standard issue, there is nothing to stop individuals flying with
them. They can be bought on the internet. One of the most
popular models is the EVAC-U8. It has an air filter with a 20-
minute capacity and packs down to the size of a drinks can. It
costs $59.95 (about £40) from Aeromedix
(www.aeromedix.com).

What the airlines could do

FIT AIR BAGS

Why? Ron Ashford, a former head of air safety at the CAA,
campaigned for the introduction of air bags, one to protect the
upper body, another for the legs. Michael Meacher, then
opposition transport spokesman, said: "We have seen the use
of air bags spread on cars and there is no reason why airlines
should not follow suit."

Why not? The CAA says: "We do not accept that there is a
significant injury transfer to create the need."

CUT CARRY-ON ALLOWANCES

Why? Overhead bins tend to burst open or collapse on impact,
sending heavy objects flying around the cabin, injuring
passengers and blocking exits.

Why not? Passengers like being able to take luggage into the
cabin. Airlines are reluctant to upset passengers, particularly in
business class.

STOP SELLING DUTY-FREE SPIRITS ON BOARD

Why? Bottles stored in overhead bins can fly out on impact.
They are a triple nightmare: heavy, breakable and full of
flammable liquid.

Why not? Airlines make money from selling duty-free goods.
Cabin crews make commission on each sale.

MAKE SEATS MORE STURDY

Why? A bad crash is made much worse if seats work loose
from their moorings. Seats on new aircraft registered in the UK
must be able to withstand an impact of 16G, but seats on
existing aircraft need only be tested to 9G.

Why not? Upgrading existing seats would be expensive, but
the Europewide Joint Aviation Authorities is considering a law
requiring airlines to bring all aircraft up to the new standard.

www.globalaviation.com (http://www.globalaviation.com)
Courses in crash survival for air crew and groups of 10
people or more, across the UK www.caa.co.uk (http://www.caa.co.uk)
Civil Aviation Authority www.open.gov.uk/aaib (http://www.open.gov.uk/aaib)
Air Accidents Investigation Branch, UK www.pr.erau.edu/~case (http://www.pr.erau.edu/~case)
Center for Aerospace Safety Education, US

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:) Happiness is a warm L1011 :)

pax domina
14th Aug 2000, 02:37
Wow, I knew quite a bit of that - but not all. I do remember a couple of other things from a similar article . . .

Don't wear pantyhose/tights . . . the nylon can melt on your legs in high temperatures. Also, try to keep an empty bladder, especially at t/o and landing. A full bladder can burst in the impact of a sudden stop.

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Life is a banquet, and most poor suckers are starving to death.

ExSimGuy
14th Aug 2000, 10:40
If I haven't flown in a type for a while, I always try to see where the doors are and how they work (wherever I am seated), but the point about counting rows is a good one.

Does the average pax really check out the doors if he (/she) is in the "legroom row"? I sure as hell do!

As for the "duty frees" - most of these are bought in the airport of departure; far better to provide "arrivals duty free". Also, a point I have made elsewhere is that plastic bottles make far more sense to me - I know they have been or are used sometimes, but making it the rule rather than the exception would reduce the amount potential for flying glass.

Self Loading Freight
14th Aug 2000, 17:11
Interesting... didn't know all that (especially about the full bladder, PD. Ugh).

Most pax don't seem to care tuppence about safety. If you look around the cabin during the safety briefing, a majority always seem to talking, reading newspapers, staring out of the window... and this is pretty much the only safety advice they'll get during the trip and takes, what, a couple of minutes out of multiple hours. Ah, well. Everyone's always being told how safe flying is, and how everyone is looking out for them, so I'm not that surprised motivation is lacking.

I never thought to count the seats to the nearest exit, but I will in future.

R

Mr Benn
15th Aug 2000, 01:51
Let me be the first to congratulate the Sunday Times on producing possibly the first useful and informative aviation article this year. Well researched, lots of facts, avoiding the sensationalism.
I must admit I always check ou the safety aspects in detail, including reading the safety card and counting the rows. People always look at me a bit strange, particularly if I am positioning as a passenger, but in uniform.
It used to annoy me that so many passengers ignored the safety briefing and card. Now I just think - well if we DO crash, I will be on my way out, climbing over these people, while they figure out what to do.

BRUpax
15th Aug 2000, 02:30
Having recently flown with a friend who doesn't fly much, I was surprised at his total disregard for the safety briefing. When I questioned him as to why, he just shrugged his shoulders and said, "what's the point". I'm now trying to educate him!!

Personally, I always count the rows to the nearest exit and I check that I know what I need to know. By the way, how many of you actually check to see if there is a life vest under your seat? You might be surprised how often they are removed by souvenir hunters - and their disappearance can go unnoticed for quite a number of flights. I prepare a basic evacuation plan with a primary and secondary route (your nearest exit may be blocked).

I hope that I'm never put to the test.

swashplate
15th Aug 2000, 15:35
Can't agree more with all the above. Preparation means you're less likley to 'freeze-up' in a crash - perhaps the worst thing you could do. Always have a contingency plan.
About taking glasses off - I always wear a cyclist's band. Would I have to take them off in this case? Mind you, having read the Manchester Airtours report, I suppose you wouldn't be able to see any thing anyway.
Also, if Airlines won't provide smokehood (presumably to avoid panicking all us poor dears), why can't we buy them at the Airport. Could be a source of revenue.
Congrats to 'Sunday Times' - let's hope they keep to this standard of aviation reporting!

[This message has been edited by swashplate (edited 15 August 2000).]

The Guvnor
15th Aug 2000, 19:11
Personally, I think it would be considerably more worthwhile to have smokehoods than lifejackets on board aircraft. There was a CAA recommendation about it following the KT 737 at Manchester ... but since then, zip!!

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:) Happiness is a warm L1011 :)

fireflybob
16th Aug 2000, 01:42
One tip which I learnt many years ago:-

Sit in you seat and work out how you would get to two independent emergency exits with your eyes closed - e.g. I would have to count five seats before being in front of the overwing exit. Better still practice doing this, if possible.
The chances are that the cabin will be full of smoke or there will not be much light if it's night - ever seen how bright the emergency exits lights are?
This excellent bit of advice was in the "Human Factor in Aircraft Accidents" written by David Beaty.

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justapax
16th Aug 2000, 03:20
Excellent post, excellent thread.

I have to admit to being one of those who are lulled to sleep as soon as I hear "Goraibhmaithagusfáiltearaerlingusinniu" or "You're all very welcome aboard our flight to Brussels today" - yes, I know where the nearest emergency exit is and the rest no longer passes the inner ear, I've heard it so often. The safety card makes a useful fan until the folk up front turn on the aircon. Awakeness returns instantly with the clinking of the drinks trolley. Or, if it's been a tranquil day, with the take off roll, when I lean forward from my seat to be more aware of the thrust with which those relatively small things under the wings are propelling several hunded tonnes of bodies, luggage, duty-frees and ally alloy tube forward.

If the safety announcement, and the safety card, said something like the Guv's post, I'm sure a lot more pax would pay attention. I would. I just did!

I totally agree with duty-free on landing (saves fuel, surely, too?) and backward facing seats. Tridents had both forward- and backward-facing, and I can't remember anyone saying "I want a forward-facing seat". Of course there was a little gap in the middle, where the front facing seats and the rear-facing seats met, which gave acres of room for over-wing exiting in a hurry - and or course reduced seating density. Ahh, *now* we know why the idea didn't catch on.

I suspect another factor is that business class passengers are at the front, and have a nicer view out of the window, as well as the quieter part of the plane, for a/c with wing-mounted jets. If the seats look back, the business passengers still get the quieter background, but a view mostly of wings. The advantage over economy is reduced, and with it the incentive to fork out extra.

However, if rear-facing seats make people sit more upright, then this has to be an advantage regardless of safety. Several recent threads in Pax & SLF have shown that a major bugbear is the 3-year old in front of you reclining his or her seat, which prevents you from eating or using a laptop on your picnic-table. For larger passengers, I understand it's more inconvenient than that, i.e., you get knee-capped.

On a long-haul flight, btw, there is a simple solution. Take two legs of a broken or ex-car-boot-sale camera tripod. Abbreviate them at the knee. Place in hand-baggage. In flight, position betwen arm-rest and back of the seat in front, and lock into position. Whne the child in front attempts to recline seat, it won't. If seated in a window seat, and using one strut only, this is not unduly conspicuous.

But don't tell anyone I told you.

ExSimGuy
17th Aug 2000, 17:18
Just flew Ottawa-PHL with US-Air in a Dash-8 (this operation is soon to be Piedmont, I understand) and there was so much chatting going on in the rear half of the plane that I couldn't even hear the announcement!

The same sector several days earlier had a FA who gabbled it at concorde speed and I certainly couldn't understand. Perhaps my being British and her with US accent didn't help, but remember this was coming from a partly French-speaking country and many people there have trouble with English even when spoken very clearly! http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/confused.gif

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Ah, the VC-10, Wasn't she lovely!

The Guvnor
17th Aug 2000, 17:42
Of course, some safety briefings are just plane unrealistic. For example, you have the Concorde one, which I always found amusing ... "in the event of decompression at 67,000' and Mach 2.02, pull down the mask which will drop down from the panel above your head..."

OH YEAH?? That mask - plus everything else - will have just disintegrated into a billion pieces no bigger than a millimetre or two!

However, I guess that some honesty in advertising (or safety leaflets, in this case) may just scare the pax too much - "in the event of anything going wrong with the aircraft, you have no chance and we thank you for flying Big Airways". Not The Nine O'Clock News did a brilliant sketch on this subject - which could well be shown before the genuine briefing as it would get the pax's attention!!

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:) Happiness is a warm L1011 :)

northernlight
19th Aug 2000, 11:11
I agree with MRBENN. Well done Sunday Times -though I'm just a little fed up that as a very nervous passenger for all my life (and getting worse), I feel that all my secrets have now been made public! I always thought I'd be the only clued up survivor staggering out of the wreckage!

I've been plucking up the courage for years to actually board a plane as a passenger with full smoke hood and fire retardant suit plus parachute!!! Do you think I may get away with it?!!! (I only fly BA so any BA crew thoughts would be appreciated)!!! (Only kidding)

Mrbenn, do u fly transatlantic by any chance? I'm currently stuck in Miami and am about to spend my life savings on a trip back to the UK with Cunard in September!! It's true. You sound so safe, I feel I could pluck up the courage to fly with you!

Thanks anyway for giving me hope that not all pilots are complacent.

[This message has been edited by northernlight (edited 23 August 2000).]

Mr Benn
20th Aug 2000, 00:37
Having been on the "smoke and fire" course I have to say I didn't realise it would be quite that bad. The cabin we were told to go into, well we weren't told the layout just to keep low and keep in contact with our partner-in-rescue. Once inside, it was sooo dark, well I couldn't see anything. I have never experienced anything like that, and even with the smoke hood and keeping low, I couldn't see a hand in front of my face. I am soo glad I did the course though. Even at hotels I will check out the fire exits and stairways - I have found on occasion that stairs I thought would lead outside just lead to the kitchens! We are told to count the number of doors between our room and the stairs. Having experienced the above I try to always do this.

northernlight, I do fly transatlantic but only as a passenger. However, if you wanted to book a flight you could advertise the fact here that you are a nervous passenger and find out if someone on pprune is doing a flight that would tie in with your plans.
I can't imagine just how awful it would be to be so worried about flying that you can't get on a plane. I do sympathise. Have you tried going up in a light aircraft (ie. with you at the controls)? Has been known to cure people. If you go for that and a fear of flying course you may even get over this fear.
But you really only have to bear in mind that we wouldn't get on the plane if we didn't think 110% that we were going to arrive safely at the other end.

I am always happy for any nervous passenger to come up to the flight deck during the flight, generally they are very surprised at how quiet, relaxed and easy going it all is. No-one fighting at the controls or anything. Usually people say it has really helped. Even my parents are nervous flyers, although now they have both been on a jumpseat for take-off and landing they are fairly relaxed about it all.

It was only when they knew I was flying the plane that they got worried! :) :)

northernlight
21st Aug 2000, 11:26
Thanks Mr Benn - interesting stuff, especially about your smoke experiences etc. My ex used to tell me I was a total pain in the *** since everytime I went on a boat I'd check out all stairs, lifeboats etc!! Also do the same as you in hotels!

I've done the flight deck thing and it's a total saver for me. I suppose I should confess that I am a bit of a control freak and so when I meet you guys it takes all the pain away. I'm also a total hypocrite because I have to say I think they should not allow flight deck visits for security reasons. When I've visited, I sit like a mouse (not necessary for daft questions since ex was a pilot)! I see so many people coming in who just yak on to the pilot / fo and I just don't think the distraction is too good.

Anyway, you are right about one thing - small planes are not such a problem for me - I like the little Crossair things that do the Nice - Geneva run. If I had my way I'd fly at 1000 ft all the way back to UK (and yes, I know it's more dangerous)! I am seroius about having to boat home - I swore my last flight would be the last. (Last flight with BA into Miami wasn't fun).

Thanks again!

arrow2
24th Aug 2000, 17:53
Northern Light,

Glad you enjoy the Crossair flights. If you would like to take up an offer of a ride in a 4 seater Piper some time please e-mail me. As stated earlier this may help to ease your nervousness - I am quite happy for you to have a good go at flying the aircraft so you can see what it is all about. Not sure where you are but I am just outside SW London.

Arrow 2

Cyrano
27th Aug 2000, 17:14
I had a chance a few months ago to take part in a simulated cabin evacuation. Very instructive - I hope I never have to jump down a slide, but I'm glad to have been able to practise it!

One thing which struck me was the form of words used in briefing the passengers in the overwing exit row. Rather than the usual "this is an exit row, please read the instructions on the seat back in front of you," the wording was, "You are seated at an exit row. In the event of an emergency, you may have to open the overwing emergency exit. The exit door weighs about as much as a heavy suitcase. If you don't think you could lift that, please contact a member of cabin crew who will arrange for you to be reseated."

I liked the fact that they stressed the door's weight and I wish this were standard practice. The overwing door is a pretty heavy piece of kit, and trying to take it out, turn it sideways, and throw it out of the plane when everyone's crowding round you is Not Easy. Especially if you've bothered to look at the safety card's sketch of a slim young woman airily holding the overwing door at arm's length as though it's no heavier than a boarding pass (my pet gripe about safety cards).

By the way, when I flew with Southwest a few years back they had a row of rear-facing seats immediately in front of the overwing exit - I imagine they were just able to fit the maximum number of rows in like that, given the requirement to leave some extra access space around the exit row.