CX Fleet Reduction ?

[SMOC]

6 - 10 A330s leaving CX for KA and at least 4 BCFs going to Air China with possibly all of the BCFs to follow.

[Humber10]

word on the street is they are all to be operated by cx crew under a new contract. The beginning of the end....

[HKG Phooey]

yep and 6 KA 330's to go to CX... Higher ZFW ones...B-HWx

[sinkingship]

Other way round, 6 CX 330 to KA.

[404 Titan]

They "KA" are getting 6 off our older light weight A330's and we are getting 6 of their newer heavy weight A330. I heard this about a month ago from the fleet office.

[Harbour Dweller]

This decision has been in play for several months now.

Makes sense. It's not like KA need the heavy weight A330's.

[quadspeed]

We've got 38 aircraft arriving within the next 36 months. Not much of a fleet reduction, even after considering todays announcement of 4 BCFs being sold to Shanghai.

Maybe the sky isn't falling after all.

[goathead]

38 in the next 36 months ....? ha ? i didn't realise this , are you sure ?I think you are having a few delusions old chap....making stuff up perhaps ?

[quadspeed]

I think you are having a few delusions old chap....making stuff up perhaps ?

Probably. My info comes from Christopher Pratt and the Cathay Pacific Board. As of August 2009 we had firm orders for eight A330-300s, nineteen 777-ERS, and 10 747-800s. That's 37 aircraft by 2012. Give an extra year for the -800 delays and deferrements as a result of the financial crisis, and that should give you the 36 months.

And we've also got options for another 20 ERs, but they won't be here before 2017.

But I may be mistaken. Please correct me, old chap.

Have a read. Page 18.
http://downloads.cathaypacific.com/cx/investor/2009_Interim_Results_EN.pdf

[GTC58]

You should take into account that the -8's are just replacements and all the B744 pax will be replaced by the B777. Net growth will be less than 10% over the next 3 years.

[quadspeed]

Net growth will be less than 10% over the next 3 years.

still not exactly a fleet reduction. But yes, there will be leases that won't be renewed and aircraft that will be sold.

[Tinwacker]

Vermin:

For your command training KA have 6 heavy A330E aircraft B-HWF - B-HWK.
Makes sense to move them as all KA A330s are operated at 205 Tons which means the older CX A330 would be best suited to KAs lightweight operation.

KA might have to put up with the No.3 door being a small emergency door on most of the older CX types.

Further reading of the B744 being moved perhaps it's forgotten that the oldest is past 21 years, time to shift them for a newer model??
If this wasn't done we would still be flying L1011s alas.....

TW

[Cpt. Underpants]

Darn, now you've done it...

Enter 411A stage right...

[workingman303]

By 2014 19 744 pax will have gone and 19 77E will replace them so it will be another 4 yrs from now before subsequent 77E arrivals increase the fleet size. Fleet stagnation is probably a better term and 15 yrs to command will be considered lucky................................