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The Refueller
25th Feb 2010, 12:15
With the delivery date of the Qantas Group B787ís getting nearer I provide the following.
The article below by Siva Govindasamy has been posted on this forum before without much comment and seems to leave many unanswered questions.

Australia's Jetstar makes Singapore its main Asian hub

By Siva Govindasamy (Air Transport Intelligence news 28th Jan 2010)
Australia's Jetstar has picked Singapore as its key air hub in Asia, basing its largest number of Airbus A320s in the region at the island's Changi Airport and committing itself to introducing long-haul services using Airbus A330s.
Jetstar, which has a Singapore-based associate Jetstar Asia, says that it will increase flight frequencies to existing destinations and offer new services out of Singapore under a three-year agreement with the Changi Airport Group
"We're committed to growth in Asia and in Singapore," says Jetstar CEO Bruce Buchanan. "We're able to grow the business aggressively, and can start to evaluate more opportunities."
He adds that Singapore is of "high strategic importance to Jetstar and equally of great importance to the Qantas Group". "We want to make sure our competitive situation in this region remains strong and we grow out of here".
Changi says that it is committed to helping Jetstar grow and keep its costs low by offering it various incentives under its "Growth Initiative".
"By hubbing at Changi, Jetstar will gain from inter-lining opportunities with the many airlines that fly here, including its parent, Qantas, which already uses Changi as an Asia hub," says Lee Seow Hiang, CEO of the Changi Airport Group.
Jetstar has eight A320s based in Singapore with Jetstar Asia and has another four aircraft serving the country from Australia. It will add another two in June, and says that it will continue to build the fleet over the coming year. The carrier is due to receive six A330s over the next three years, including three in the last quarter of 2010, but Buchanan declines to say when the first will be based in Singapore.
"It all depends on when we get the rights to begin the long-haul flight," he adds. "We're keen on a few services but we must wait to get approval."

This article states that Jetstar will have A330ís based in Singapore to begin long haul flights and Mr Buchanan does not deny this. The following scenario is now being discussed at high levels. I believe most of this does make sense given the Qantas Groupís recent history of driving costs down, including wages cost (Jetstar NZ and Jetconnect).

1: It has always been the case that once Jetstar (which does not exclude Jetstar Asia / Jetstar NZ) begin to take delivery of the B787ís, then the A330ís presently flown by Jetstar will be returned to Qantas mainline.
2: The ĎJetstarí B787ís will be based in Singapore. From this hub they will be flown westbound to Europe as well as Eastbound to Australia and beyond.
3: The Jetstar B787ís will be flown by Jetstar Asia crew based in Singapore. Two other possibilities are being investigated: a) offering this flying to Jetstar NZ crew on their current Terms and Conditions or b) offering this flying to current Jetstar A330 crews under Jetstar Asia T&Cís.
4: As the Jetstar A330ís return to Qantas mainline, the surplus of Jetstar A330 pilots will be managed by using the provisions contained in the Jetstar Certified Agreement.

Its the Pleats
25th Feb 2010, 18:44
Just on your point 3. JQ Asia earn more money than JQ OZ so that wont happen. JQNZ however...

Bruce B said to some JQ OZ pilots the other day that A330's would definitely be based in NZ and SIN. Usual story, no time frame, nothing else to say, then left the room...

Artificial Horizon
25th Feb 2010, 18:47
I have heard through the grapevine that one or two A330's / 787's will end up in New Zealand. Positions on the new 787 fleet will start to be allocated sometime mid year apparently.

inandout
25th Feb 2010, 19:11
Vb should be also getting 787.

Captain Sherm
25th Feb 2010, 20:34
Perhaps this is a beat up. As far as I was aware the first "Qantas Group" 787s would be going to the "Jetstar Group" starting mid-2103. Has this changed? 3 years is a long time. I wouldn't have thought positions for any "Group airline" would be allocated this year.

One imagines that the Group will put its assets where they can earn the most money. To do otherwise would leave the directors liable wouldn't it? Clearly the QF Long-Haul EBA (and those who wish to work under it) does not fit that "earn the most" criteria so one guesses that document will never ever find its way to the flight deck of a 787. Other than that one can only speculate.

One might argue that the mere weight of the EBA plus the wallets of those who currently work under it would make the 787 so nose heavy as to significantly increase fuel burn on long trips. Perhaps thats a factor.

The The
25th Feb 2010, 20:51
One imagines that the Group will put its assets where they can earn the most money. To do otherwise would leave the directors liable wouldn't it? Clearly the QF Long-Haul EBA (and those who wish to work under it) does not fit that "earn the most" criteria so one guesses that document will never ever find its way to the flight deck of a 787. Other than that one can only speculate.


Ah, another graduate from the Boston Management School that thinks the only way an airline can make money is to pay the pilots peanuts.

Ever thought about employing assets to maximise revenue. If the 787 can get a better return in QF, then that's where it should go. If JQ can get a better return with the $1 airfares, then good luck!

The The
25th Feb 2010, 20:53
One might argue that the mere weight of the EBA plus the wallets of those who currently work under it would make the 787 so nose heavy as to significantly increase fuel burn on long trips. Perhaps thats a factor.

Oh, and you very very funny! Must have stayed up all night thinking that one up.

RedTBar
25th Feb 2010, 21:10
the first "Qantas Group" 787s would be going to the "Jetstar Group" starting mid-2103
Thats some delay ;)

Capt Kremin
25th Feb 2010, 21:12
Sherm, the envy factor that colours all your posts re: mainline; is now there for all to see.

Captain Sherm
25th Feb 2010, 21:21
Sherm has as, Mrs Sherm points out often, many faults. Envy is not one.

Having been blessed with many many years of marital bliss with Mrs Sherm, wonderful children, years on the 727 and later many years on the wonderful 777 Sherm rarely feels the need to envy anyone, except those perhaps who have a better sense of humour. A group Captain Kremin that it would seem is unlikely to count you among its members. Lighten up.

The Green Goblin
26th Feb 2010, 00:17
I remember reading somewhere that the initial 787s that were going to Jetstar are now planned to go to mainline?

Or has this changed again?