Convert FAA certificates and work in Brazil

[Soares.89]

Im currently finishing up my commercial and multi in Florida. A friend to my family have let me know that I have a copilot job waiting in Brazil (unpaid). So I guess there is a lot of paperwork to be done for me to be able to take that job. Do someone know what I need to do to be eligible to fly in Brazil with my FAA certificates?

My father is brazilian and I speak portuguese but I never lived in Brazil.

I have tried to find this info but with no success so I appreciate all help I can get!

[747 mech]

BODY YOU NEED TO CONTACT THE BRAZIL CAA (ANAC) AND EXPLAIN YOUR CASE AND SHOW ALL YOUR PAPERS.
TAKES TIME BUT I BELIEVE YOU CAN GET IT.
GOOD LUCK
:ok:

[alemaobaiano]

Basically you need to convert your certificates, this thread has some useful information

http://www.pprune.org/caribbean-latin-america/179344-faa-dac-licenses-brasil.html

[Charlie Alfa]

For working in Brazil as pilot, you need to be brazilian.

[alemaobaiano]

For working in Brazil as pilot, you need to be brazilian.

Generally you're right, but with a Brazilian father that isn't a problem, if he doesn't already have citizenship he can very quickly arrange it.

[Michael Jackson]

Hi dudes, i need some help...

My wife is Brasilian but i have european passport and JAA/FAA licence, in 2 months we are moving to Brasil, can i work there as a pilot having the permanent resident card but without having brasilian passport??? Can I fly with my JAA or FAA licence??? There are so many airplanes with ¨November¨ registration???

Thanks

[alemaobaiano]

No, you can't work as a pilot with a resident permit, only as a citizen.

No, you can't fly commercially on your JAA/FAA licences.

N registrations here in Brazil? Not in commercial service there aren't. I don't have the time to look it up (possibly in RBHA045 or RBHA047) but all commercial flights are done on Brazilian registered aircraft with Brazilian citizens at the controls.

TTFN

[Charlie Alfa]

That´s correct, and work in brazil for those who don´t speak portuguese it´s almost impossible also.


A good tip, brazilians with FAA license are very welcome in Lider Taxi Aereo (Biz Jets)

[Autothrust05]

Hi Charlie Alpha,

What about JAA licenses??

Br.

[alemaobaiano]

A good tip, brazilians with FAA license are very welcome in Lider Taxi Aereo (Biz Jets)

And how much are they charging for conversion at the Lider Training Center? You can't fly commercial on an FAA ticket, although you could ferry the aircraft in from the US.

If an aircraft is not registered in Brazil and is privately owned (corporate would count), it is possible to fly N reg on FAA docs on what is supposed to be a temporary basis. This being Brazil there a some who bend the rules on what constitutes temporary, but then, if the owner is skimping on the proper documentation and on his crew costs, what else is he cutting back on?

TTFN

[Michael Jackson]

Hope this can help :ok:

Itamaraty - Perguntas mais frequentes (http://www2.mre.gov.br/faq/Faq-25a.htm) (Art. 112)

http://www.anac.gov.br/biblioteca/rbha/rbha061.pdf (point 61.37)

Cheers

[Charlie Alfa]

Autothrust05

It´s even worst than FAA license, but with you are brazilian and speak portuguese still beeing possible (If you need any help or info, contact me in Private Message)


Alemão Baiano.

Quis dizer que na verdade a Lider gosta de pilotos FAA que convalidaram sua CHT para ANAC, esses já estão um pouco mais lá dentro. Eles não fazem a conversão, é necessário procurar um aeroclube e fazer os vôos por contra própria para ai sim aplicar a uma vaga.

Um abraço

I was saying that lider likes to hire pilots with both licenses, ANAC and FAA, it´s necessary to do by ourself the ANAC CHT.

[alemaobaiano]

Valeu, Charlie Alfa

Thanks for clearing that up, Lider are a serious business and I didn't think they would bend the rules.

TTFN

[flyingswiss]

I don't know how many of you guys did the conversion over here, but there is a point missing.

In order to hold a Brazilian CP, you need to have a Brazilian 2o grau (High School) or get your diploma recognized, which is the biggest pain in the ass of the entire conversion.

Just to give you an idea, an American Diploma will have to be taken to a Brazilian Consulate in the US, that has jurisdiction over the state you got it in. It can not be sent, before you take it there you have to go to a Notary (in the US), most US Diplomas are not notarized only the transcripts are in case you had University credits. At the consulate they will put a legalization on it, it's a 25 R$ fee but some how they make their own exchange rate and you have to pay 25 US$.

If you have a Brazilian name the fun begins now, most US Diplomas will not have your entire name on it, so you will have to go to a place like Fullbright Inst in Brazil (they handle Brazilians that study abroad), they are connected to the US education ministry and the Brazilian one. They will certify that your name and the short version on the US diploma is the same. One you are done with this you have to translate the documents (Diploma and Transcripts...yes they can't read number in English at MEC here). Each page costs about 40 R$ to be done, and has to be done by a sworn translator (not many that are allowed to do it, and they are usually busy and they will charge more for a fast service). When the translation is over you have to go to a Cartorio and get each page recognized, about 12 R$ for each page.......finally you can take it to MEC...

At MEC you have to do a Cadastramento and your stuff will go on file, and stay there for long time before the only person in charge, I said only! will look at it and write on a piece of paper that your Diploma is valid in Brazil.

In Brazil you can't fly without this, the Aercolube will not allow you to do any training for the conversion...

My friends Diploma took 5 months, mine around 6, and an other guy I know a year in MG.

Good Luck

Doing the Conversion from a JAA or FAA is the same thing, the only difference is that the FAA will notify ANAC by phone, the FSDO in Orlando has somebody that speaks Porto. While the JAA will send the documents from the country you got the license.



the only thing that works here when you do the conversion is the CEMAL, they are great over there (military!!), everything works fast and well!!

[flyingswiss]

In order to get the license you don't really need to speak Porto that well.

The air law test is a piece of cake, you can go to any escola de aviacao civil and get a pirated copy of the questions.

The ck flight can be done in English, at least here in Rio, all the military ck guys speak English and few from ANAC do to...well English..something like that.

When I got my English test here, the lady at ANAC in SP, spoke English worst than me (it's not my mother language), on my foreign license I got a 4 but here in Brazil they gave me a 6, the test is like 15 minutes long and the lady asked me what i think about female pilots, btw when I got scheduled I was supposed to take the test at 3 in the afternoon, I flew to SP from Rio just for that, but when I got there they told me I was supposed to be there at 11, what? and the lady would not be able to do my test???? after talking to them for an hour they decided to make me take the test.....

[TOFFAIR]

I havent experienced so many troubles to get a translation from a German diploma, sure it costs, but youll need it anyway for all the other burocratic places if you want to live here. I didnt knew one has to do a new ICAO English test, that was the reason they created an ICAO document!!!:ugh: I guess same will apply for MPL licenses for a while untill someone notices its "plane"stupid. btw, if you think ANAC is hard to deal with, INFRAERO can be even worse, try to get an airport acces badge...
Still, for those wanting to live and reside in Brazil, I noticed a bunch of private jets, own by Brazilians, with N, Bahamas, Bermudas, Portugal, Greece, etc registrations, the problem is to get a job, unless someone knows you well!
best regards!

[pa0507]

Autothrust,

Do you have any info on the conversion?
I am finishing my JAA licence and am planning to move back to Brasil in a couple of months...

How do I convert my european engineering degree?

Abraço

[altiplano]

I have a copilot job waiting in Brazil (unpaid)

... a "job"... is that what they are calling working for free now... :ugh:

... race to the bottom...

[PilotEmilio]

:ok:Hello friends!! I am new here, and I heard good things about this web site so now I'm here to ask your help!
Someone can tell me what I need for convert my license Italian JAA ATPL to a Brazilian license? Which requirements I need for find a job as a pilot in Brazil? Is it difficul for an Italian man? Thank yu guyssssss!!

[flyingswiss]

Well before you even think about flying you need to get an RNE (e' la carta d'identita' per immigrati), you can get that in a number of ways, open a company in Brazil, marry a Brazilian, do a Stable Union with a Brazilian (relazione seria), get a kid in Brazil or get a sponsor (quasi impossibile in Aviazione). All this will take at least 5-8 months, before you are done with this you can't apply for the license conversion and you will not be able to take the ck flight if you don't have the actual RNE (it can take up to two years to get the actual final one). But as soon as you apply for the RNE you can start working...but not flying

In order to fly you need to get a validation of your High School Diploma (per la mia maturita' Italiana ci e' voluto quasi un anno).

After all this you can start with the conversion.

Stai in Italia che e' meglio.....

[Uncle Wiggily]

Does anybody know if you also need to have a Brazillian in order to work there. I am fairly hairy and it could be a painful process.

[alemaobaiano]

But as soon as you apply for the RNE you can start working...but not flying

Normally, you can only fly commercially as a Brazilian citizen, by birth or naturalized, not on an RNE. There are some very specific exceptions for a limited time only, but that will be arranged by the company doing the hiring.

Naturalization currently takes about 7 years, unless Italy has some reciprocal agreement with Brazil over reducing that time.

TTFN

[flyingswiss]

Italy does not have any reciprocal agreement. VARIG use to lease some 707 that were flown by Italian pilots, the planes were based out of Frankfurt flying to Campinas. There is a huge number of Italian pilots around the world flying ATRs, wonder if this law will change if they are gonna come to Brazil too...

[Soave_Pilot]

I have a copilot job waiting in Brazil (unpaid)



... a "job"... is that what they are calling working for free now... :ugh:

... race to the bottom...


Why not just hold the sign ''will fly for food and water":cool:

And how many times we have to go over on the same thread that you need to be Brasilian to fly and get paid here! At least for now...:ugh: