Easyjet flexycrew

[Giggey]

Hi all.
What about this flexy (90° maybe) crew contract with easy?
What are the bases assigned and the average montly flying?

Thanks to whom would like to help.

[Akrapovic]

Haven't seen the contract but the 90° you mention must be the angle at which you have to bend over so they can shaft you . . . . :rolleyes:

[billybuds]

I believe LGW and STN are being offered as bases.

[Speevy]

only in UK for the moment.

Speevy

[Shaman]

FOs only or FOs and Captains?

[The Flying Cokeman]

FO's only for this season

[Shaman]

That was quick!

TVM.

[Emerald flyer]

Hi,

I was given to understand that the London bases are indeed where there is/will be the most demand for pilots but that you(as a F/O) may put in a request for your base of preference.
CTC mentioned to me that such requests are "normally" granted (I don't know how true that is though).I hope that helps.

[Giggey]

Any minimum hours guaranteed?

cheers

[billybuds]

No guarantee

[Speevy]

CTC mentioned to me that such requests are "normally" granted (I don't know how true that is though).

I am sorry but from the inside I can only tell you that this is a lie, as a flexi crew you will be put where they need you, period!

Speevy

[Ashling]

Speevy has it spot on.

[Tubbs]

Why are people allowing themselves to be exploited like this just to get a jet job? There are still companies out there with relatively humane conditions for new FOs, and yet clearly there are still applicants for these pitiful schemes. Is the lure of the jet so attractive? I honestly can't understand it. I know for a fact that there are TP jobs out there which don't involve nonsense 'flexi' contracts. Are there no instructor jobs? What about air charter?

[SloppyJoe]

I think the problem is you can't buy your way into those TP, instructing or charter jobs so unlikely that they would get hired on their merits alone. Better to be shafted as at least you can say you are an airline pilot.

[Avenger]

To be flexi crew you have to have a flexi wallet too, you may well get charged for the sim assessment once you register an interest in a job and don't expect to get paid the whole month, that's why it's cheap to the airlines. It would appear CTC are acting as an agency but using their own facilities and your money to filter candidates. On a full time roster you would fly about 20 days a month, so 90% is 18 days a month.. does this mean you get paid for 18 days or a full month.. I can guess! Hopefully for the sake of these guys I'm wrong..But if you've just done a TR course, any experience and the chance to keep current is better than zero, but for £1000 a month?

[The Mixmaster]

Tubbs, myself and I'm sure many others on here would be grateful if you could share your information about TP jobs. :ok:

[Tubbs]

Loganair just recruited six FO's, four of whom were fresh out the box/instructors. Air Contractors are also recruiting. I believe that there are ATR operators further afield looking for people. This is just of the top of my head, so I'm sure there are others if you look hard enough.

[menikos]

Tubbs,

unfortunately without time on type no way even if 1 or 2 companies are hiring without type and hours.

How many FO on the ground ?

What are the minimums for such or such company ?

For the time being the situation is at it is maybe in the future it will improve and conditions also, don't forget that we are talking about a LC company their aim is to make money not to give you a hudge salary in other words take it or leave it, so let's hope for the best.

Bye :ok:

[kriskross]

Just a small point to consider is that if you take the 'paid by the hour' job, there is NO guarantee of minimum hours and the pay is by rostered block hour only.

Why should EZY keep fully salaried crews on the ground still on salary, when the sector pay is less than the 1 hour rate, and fly the pay per hour guys?

[flyprototype]

please, this is called FlexiSCREW not flexiscrew!

no minimum hours, means they can call you to fly only 1 hour A WEEK OR A MONTH:eek:, during this time you stay in your car, you live in your car, and you try to eat sandwich from the terminal.

be ready to be flexible my dear, very flexible....it happened to me, now my :mad: hurts!

[SinBin]

Prototype, stop trolling! You know nothing, including basic English!

[massiveheed]

Sinbin, whether or not prototype knows anything he is perhaps by luck rather than judgement accurate in his assessment of this contract. Expect no guarantee of hours , paid by flying block hours and no positioning pay and no sick pay. It's a s**t deal and if you are in a position to do so steer well clear

[SinBin]

Well it's better than the dole, which is what I and 100+ others from bmi will have in May!

[Tubbs]

I don't think it is better that the dole and I speak from experience (of the dole that is), but you're entitled to your opinion. By accepting the terms of this scheme, you're setting (or reinforcing) a precedent which will lower the bar again and will probably come round and bite you in the future. I'm not just talking about new entrants, because this kind of thing is trickling up and well as down the ladder.

It's been said many time before on this forum, but I'll say it again: companies do not have consciences, they do not care about you and they are run by accountants. When put under pressure (i.e. erosion of terms and conditions) the workforce will either react against the pressure or accept the changes. Management will then gauge this reaction and act accordingly. That's how MOL works and that's how every company works.

As is generally accepted, the rot set in with people paying for type ratings and has propagated to other companies when the accountants saw that the workforce were willing to be pushed in that direction. If you're one of those people "it was my only option" or "well, it got me a job and I'm now making £xxxk with Ryanair/Airasia" or "it's just the way the industry is going"....etc etc....I don't buy it, so don't bother trying to justify it. Well done, and I'm sure you very comfortable wherever you are, but remember you have to take some responsibility for the state of the industry.

In response to one of the earlier questions from Mixmaster about posting recruitment info here, I have a tip for you: if it appears on PPrune you're already too late. Maybe you would like me to PM you some info when jobs come up? Shall I write to the DFO on your behalf? I'm sure he'd be receptive if you offer to pay for your TR and fly for free during your line training....

[SinBin]

Ok, so why have I had an email yesterday from Parc via the head of recruitment at Easy saying that the position will go permanent from December? I think it's worth the risk, don't you? maybe you'd like the dole but having been used to a steady A320 job for the last 3 years on a pretty good income and now being laid off, I don't think I could live on c.£80 a week! And providing I do 500hrs over the summer, which is what I have been told by the same person, I should get around about £3500 net a month on the £67 p/hr rate. THIS IS NOT CTC. You don't need to tell me about Ts and Cs, I've watched my job disappear whilst PTF :mad::mad:s take my seat! Lots of bollocks on PPrune, written by people with very little idea and don't even work at Easy!

If you'd like to tell my son that we have to move from a 4 bed detached house to a 1 bedroom flat on income support to appease you then please do, I doubt it will happen though! And a permanent job possibility is worth any 7 months contracting. I AM NOT PAYING TO FLY A320s AND NEVER HAVE DONE IT IS NOT THE SAME!

[stansdead]

SINBIN,

I sympathise with your position of being an experienced A320 Pilot who is desperately in need of work.

As a father myself, I totally understand your need to protect your family. Like you, I would fight to the death to protect my wife and child.

However, I am concerned by the assertion that the "job will become permanent" in December statement...

...on what terms? Less than previously, or on old t's and c's?...

...why December? That seems an odd month to me to be recruited permanently. Unless of course you aren't given any flying from October and are then desperate to accept a lowball offer...

...be wary of what's going on here. I appreciate that you aren't a PTF Pilot, but you can easily deteriorate everything still further if you aren't wary of the way these people are thinking.

I genuinely wish you the best of luck.

[The Mixmaster]

Tubbs..it's all well and good claiming there are jobs out there for NEW FO's and saying people shouldn't accept the likes of Ryanair. Unfortunately, as stated by menikoss, both Loganair and Air Contractors stated that they require at least a Type Rating before giving due consideration to applicants. And yes I applied to both before you came on here making sweeping statements about how there are jobs out there for NEW FO's.

Unfortunately for those with a freshly minted CPL/IR, Ryanair is pretty much the only option with any chance of a successful outcome. Of course those with contacts never have this problem.

In answer to your other questions, there are no jobs in air charter nor instructing.

Thanks for your help though:ugh:

[spgon]

Ok, so why have I had an email yesterday from Parc via the head of recruitment at Easy saying that the position will go permanent from December?This is simply disgusting. There are dozens of pilots with thousand of hours on A320 who have passed the assessment for direct entry pilots at easyjet in summer 2008, we all have a letter signed by HR saying that they will call us as soon as a position arise, then we were all told “sorry we were wrong easy no longer needs you as we will fill all our vacancies with contract pilots” and now we find that permanent jobs are promised to someone else who will not even attend their selection.
To all those who are going to bend themselves trough this flexy scam, be advised, this is the kind of cheats you can expect from your prospective employer, don't hold your breath for that permanent position in December, they will certainly find someone else in the mean time who is ready to take it at lower conditions than you, in the same way you are taking the job which was promised to me at lower conditions.

[stansdead]

The whole point is that easyJet/CTC/PARC whoever, will tell gullible souls that "the contract will go permanent in December" in order to get them roped in.

Then, sure a permanent contract will arise, but most likely not in December (when airlines are quiet - except the week before Xmas). They will give you virtually no flying, but will of course expect your loyalty to sit on standby (unpaid) in case they need you.

Then, the faint whiff of a permanent contract will raise it's head again just before you realise that it's all a load of sh1t and :mad: off to do something else..... that's the point.

Extraordinary really. Why, as intelligent people we accept this garbage. It really annoys me.

(It's not just easy mind you. My benevolent employer thinks it can arbitrarily change EVERY contract without negotiation next month. It is also paying Captains a take home of 4000E a month now:eek: for the new joiners.....)

An accident's coming. Believe me. We struggle to attract any quality in our industry by paying ludicrously low money. Peanuts. Monkeys. But, the "managers" are so clever for managing this situation with such vision.:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

I look forward to seeing the exodus when things pick up. I will, however, be long gone before that day arrives. I think I may become an MP. Or a Civil Servant. That looks easy money.:E

[SinBin]

We are attending Easyjet selection with Easyjet HR and Easyjet training captains who used to work in my current airline, it's not my fault! In 2008 the whole industry came crashing down, we all know this! We're all experienced FOs not cadets going for this. If it's not right at the end of the contract then hopefully other avenues will be available, much can happen between now and then.

[SinBin]

er ...no! And I know what you mean!

[GG5]

What a load off bull on this thread. Sin Bin... i agree with you. Do what you have to to provide for your family and make a living. At the end of the day regardless of what all these morons have to say.. they look out for themselves. Case in point... if you easyjet guys hate this contract.. then why aern't your pilots standing up to it with the management??? Go on strike!!! PROTECT YOUR TERMS and YOUR FUTURES. Its only because you'll know its a tough industry to be in and glad to atleast have a job, you'll do nothing. You'd be kidding yourself to think that the industry is going to turnaround overnight. Its people at the top that need to take a stand and they are the ones that are safe so don't bother. We all talk about being part of a community but when we get the big job, we dont give a :mad: until it affects our position or pay. Its the same when it comes to Pay as you go cadets... everyone disagrees with it .. but no one does anything!! Balpa is biggest piece of :mad: out there. And no matter how you look at it .. the contract is still 3 times as much as minimum wage so .. you tell me.. keep flying and staying current or work at tescos for minimum wage and wait for that tiny glow of an upturn that everyone thinks is going to happen by the end of the summer (NOT!!). :eek:

The only time i would take someone's advice is if they had some credibility. Just moaning about it means nothing .. so I would like to see how many of you easyjet guys take a stand. The bottom line is the airline was built on the framework of low cost.. so get used to it. Its hasn't happened overnight. You guys put up with the crap of having to buy your own uniform and work on lower terms compared to other airlines and unless you as a company do something... you cant expect people that are looking to make a living to protect your contracts. At the end of the day.. i would rather have a contract pilot with experience flying with me than a pay as you go cadet. So trust me your better off with these guys otherwise those seats are going to be filled up with cadets whether you like it or not.

[The flying bob]

God bless :mad: America...!! we all became slaves of a system based an the fear.

I worked for EZY for a year and remember how everything was perfectly set to make people betray their colleagues based on the simple fact that the company had to always come first...
This is exactly what is happening today! You guys are freaking out, thinking (and what's more normal) that you could lose everything by saying a word that wouldn't please the management...

this is our world, this is our new economics system, using humans as sponge you squeeze as required. We won't get rid of it unless no one accepts these conditions....... But we know this won't happen!
So let's forget about your strikes and your Balpa, no one is mad enough to risk his life for others.

I wish I had listened to my family and had never started this training. We will be treated like crap whatever one can say or pretend here. The airlines decide, we comply.

Good luck

[Harry Shyters]

SinBin, why aren't you trying the sandpit? As one of Thomson's junior pilots I too find myself looking for work. I've had offers to stay in UK on a poor deal, summer contract only or go to a permanent position somewhere hot on a new plane and do something different. I'm under no illusion that hot and dusty = nirvana but it's better than being bent over and royally shafted by CTC and easyjet. Plenty of your fellow ex-BMI'ers heading to Qatar.:E

As an outsider looking at some of the previous posts, if the situation turns worse here, how easy is it for the company to walk away from that "promise". You'll have nowhere to go. Did it mention as well where the permanent position was? Was it to remain as flexicrew with CTC on a "permanent" attachment to easyJet rather like a brookfield contract with RYR? One where you'll have no real security - it's far easier to lay off a contractor for a season.:E

You might not be a PTF but you're doing your bit to aid and abet the drop to the bottom in UK aviation.:yuk: Read the article in the latest edition of The Log about Colgan Air and look at what pass for Ts and Cs in the US.
Wind this flexiscrew stuff on a few years. := Most work in the UK industry gets done in summer. Large numbers of pilots only hired for the summer. Said pilots unlikely to get work for winter - therefore no winter ops experience. How ready would they be for any kind of career progression with that kind of background? It's pants and anyone with experience should be looking elsewhere (there's plenty of boeing or airbus work going globally).

HS

[SinBin]

You're not reading my posts, sandpit is not an option to me, it's marriage and family (and sanity) or work! I'm not touching CTC! :ugh:The only real thing that is ruining Ts and Cs is the weakness of unions and a global recession, not little old me trying to keep a baked bean on the table for my family and a roof over our heads! I'll do what I have to for that!

If being treated like a second class citizen in someone else's culture and country suits you, then go for it. But please read my posts before posting nonsense! I'm not ex bmi yet either!

[Gary Lager]

SinBin, I sympathise with the limited choices you have. It must be an appalling position to be in. As a EZY pilot of some years, (also ex-Derby Airways), my only advice is this: when you are doing the sums to see if this deal will work for you, do not include in your calculations
a) that the position will go permanent in December nor
b) that you will get 500hrs over the summer.
Both those would seem a bit unlikely given what we know, though it is true that we are cancelling flights through lack of crew at the moment. Summer Leave for us regulars is extremely scarce, so we are all 'competing' for the same flights, and if there is at all a choice for rostering about which crews are not scheduled to fly on days when there are adequate (i.e. bare minimum) crews, you can bet it will be you guys that get grounded. :(

Are you also aware that the pay-per-flying-hour appears to be based on scheduled block times, not actual flying hours flown?

If, on consideration, it still sounds like a good deal for you though, fine. Do just bear in mind that talk from Parc/EZY is extremely cheap! Believe nothing you are told until it is written on a legally-enforceable contract. (even then, be sceptical...just ask the CTC cadets who were contracted to be employed solely 'subject to performance' who were then dropped after their 6 months was up!)

[eagle21]

So it seems like Parc is offering a much better deal than CTC Flexicrew. Who does the reruitment for CTC or Parc???

Will candidates go through the full easyjet selection?

[X-BleedOpen]

EDIT: Sorry, have checked the documents on my e-mail, I had an older version. Just got the new one from a friend. PARC conditions are quite better yes.

Do you guys know if PARC is still making assestments or if they finish allready with screenings?

[flyprototype]

Do you guys know if PARC is still making assestments or if they finish allready with screenings?

depends of you.

do you have money? if yes, in this case they will select you.
no money? sorry, assessment has been now closed...(come back when you have the cash!)

[EpsilonVaz]

Remember, with Parc you are self employed, so with the extra tax you have to pay and some other items that I cannot remember off the top of my head after a 14 hour duty, it works out similar to CTC.

flyprototype, by all means, have a moan, but please get your facts straight, Parc are only contracting people with A320 hours for EZY.

[spanner the cat]

SinBin, you tart, do you think you're the only one with a family who's facing an uncertain future at the moment - get over yourself? I too have a young family and am going to the ME.

not little old me trying to keep a baked bean on the table for my family and a roof over our heads

A solitary baked bean is probably what you'll end up with. :}

If you're not "ex BMI yet" why are you looking at this grotty, grubby deal then? I'm not ex-wherever-I-am-now yet but it's likely that I will be so I've done something about it. Mrs STC may not be over the moon at the prospect but she knows that it's the best deal on the table.


STC

[SinBin]

good for you!

[BIGBAD]

I think this offer of a permanent contract is hilarious !!! I originally applied to CTC and PARC for this easy deal (as I am soon to be force out of BMI) when I saw the t & c's I thought twice about it.

A few weeks went by and I was contacted again by both CTC and PARC to see if I was still interested.........This all says to me they cannot get the qualified 'bus drivers they want...........how do they address this, offer a maybe/maybe not contract at the end of year !!!!

Do they think we're all stupid ???

I'm off to be buggered by a camel but at least I'll be getting paid well and it's permanent.

This is a complete scam/joke/farce (select the word of your choice)

I know there are guys/girls out there who have no choice and will have to take this, I just hope easy cannot get the numbers they want - it might improve the t and c's for those who take it !

[Mister Geezer]

SinBin

If being treated like a second class citizen in someone else's culture and country suits you, then go for it. But please read my posts before posting nonsense! I'm not ex bmi yet either!

The way things are at the moment with the industry and if you do stay, you run a very good chance of being treated as a second class citizen in your own country. :uhoh:

[Kayser Sose]

I have been invited at my cost! to a selection day for the Easy CTC flexicrew contract. Can anyone give me a heads up on the format of the computer aptitude testing (is it the pilapt test program) and the interview, also how difficult is the technical A320 paper. Any info from those of you who have completed this selection day would be very much appreciated :ok:.

Kayser

[Harry Shyters]

BigBAD
I just hope easy cannot get the numbers they want - it might improve the t and c's for those who take it !

Only if it were being done in isolation - but it's not. This is all part of a piece with the new Cadet joiners contract. The 2 have to be viewed in the same context - a way to drive down T&Cs in easyjet. All part of the dive for the bottom. All those who are taking the contracts are to be congratulated at the assistance they are providing to the cause of plumbing said depths.

I guess it isn't ideal going to the ME. I initially had big reservations about it but I'm past those now and just want to get on with it. It's what you want to make of it I'm told. ;)

Kayser Soser
I have been invited at my cost! to a selection day for the Easy CTC flexicrew contract. You'll be paying to fly soon. :E

ffs:ugh:

HS

[Mister Geezer]

I am about to leave the airline industry and join the corporate world. From what I am seeing around me - I am reasonably confident it is a decision I will probably not regret!

[Giggey]

Does anybody has more info on how the "salary" will be payed and the tax obligations?

I mean..
If i get 4000€, as a contractor do i have to pay taxes in Uk or i pay them in my country?

Cheers

[SVoa]

Some of you people need to WAKE THE :mad: UP!!! Why would you go dish out money, and a large amount of it, money that does not even exist today, to fly an airplane that flys itself, for 6 months, and you dont even know if you will fly 0 or 100 or 200 or 300 hours in that time period?? Oh yeah yeah I forgot, someone you know told you that they know someone who knows someone whos uncles grandmothers brother knows someone who did the flexicrew and was kept after the 6 month period...

I've read it on here about a million times and I will write it once more... If people with large pockets (or small pockets and no logic) stopped entering these kinds of schemes AIRLINES WOULDNT DO IT! They are doing it because you are letting them! I come from a country that was so damn unionized up until 3 years ago, that no one dared to touch pilots! They did whatever they wanted and they got incredible salaries, all had job security, paying for a type rating was unheard of, and if you did pay for it, you werent put on a 6 month close ended contract! :ugh:

Today poeple go to the airlines and say "yes well i can pay for my type rating".. what are airlines going to do say "oh no no thats fine, we'll dish out 30,000euro for you, its fine, so kind of you but thanks anyway"? Go get some instructor jobs, fly REAL airplanes, fly some TP, fly some air taxi, fly some cargo with MEP's or something! You will learn to fly on airplanes like that! It pisses me off to see 19 year olds pay some integrated flight school money, get a full license in less than 200 hours(!), then pay more money to get a type rating on an aircraft which is fully automated, and they call themselves pilots! And on top of that they piss and moan that there are no jobs out there! You will get raped from behind with these schemes! Putting yourself in debt to fly an airplane with 150+ souls on board and on top of that get paid nothing is not worth it. We all chose a profession which doesnt pay well anymore and it never will ever again, so go fly an airplane with some balls, and have some respect for yourselves! JEEZ!

Ok I got it out of my system now :}

[X-BleedOpen]

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Guys, we KNOW that you don't like people Paying to Fly... we can destroy this topic like we've done with many others, ore we can stay on topic... ;-)

Giggey and I have both over a thousand hours on type, so we are not paying a single euro... Anybody knows about the taxes thing?

[Serenity]

SVoa

I agree completely!!!

yes you have paid for a job now, but long term you are reducing the T & C for everyone. Ruining your own future, job security and others at it!!
Why are they so blind(stupid)????

[dustyprops]

Why on earth would someone be so desperate to join this industry as to pay to fly?!?!? Paying to be at the mercy of the yts kids in crewing and rostering who dictate whether you have a reasonable life or a completely screwed up one. No weekends, no summer, and virtually no pay.

Guys, take your money and retrain in something else, or just give it to me!

Good old days..................................gone.

[JPHIL68]

Is it for easyjet?
If it's for easy it's like yesterday night at the stade de France....:E:E:E:E
easyjet......:yuk::yuk::yuk:

On behalf of our client, a renowned low cost carrier, XXX are currently looking for experienced Airbus 320 Captains,for a 5-6 month contract with start May or June.

Applicants MUST hold a current JAA License with a current A320 type rating shown and a full ATPL.
All candidates must also have the right to live and work within the European Union (EU).

Candidates should have a minimum of 3,500 hours Total Time and 500 PIC on type.

Candidates who are current on type (within 6 months) will be preferable, however candidates MUST have flown the A320 within the last 12 months otherwise.


As only experienced pilots are sought, please note that non-rated candidates will not be considered.

[Right Way Up]

Central Europe location may give it away.....poss Wizz

[Thad Jarvis]

It isn't easyjet.

[turbine100]

If EZY are hiring CTC contract pilots on poor terms and assuming they are not all members of BALPA. Have the perm pilots gone to BALPA or rather BALPA got involved if its potentially loosing them ground within the business representing their perm members?

[FI 21]

They called me this morning (Easyjet) for flexicrew contract and....better stay far...:* ... so bad conditions!!!!:{

I think that better look for other job...

[NOT ORANGE]

21 years old and 1000 hours on Airbus,glad to see you worked your way up!!!!!!!please have some dignity and do not work for peanuts you spoilt little brat,some people NEED to work.

[Wannabe24]

Collective bargaining my ass, more like collective bufoonary.

[320seriesTRE]

It is a horrible contract.

I believe though, that easyJet will be forced to keep some of the pilots on after October. How many, and in which order, is anybody's guess though:ok: