G4 Type Rating

[VH-CPL]

Looking into doing a G4 Type Rating in the US. How long does the course take and what would the cost be? Is there a cost reduction if there are two candidates? Do you need to prove employment with a G4 operator to do the course? Any infomation would be a great help. Thank you in advance.

[Rusty Trombone]

Plan on 22 Days for the GIV with type rating endorsed on a ICOA FAA License. Same for JAA but you will then have to do circuits to have the Type added to your License with a TRE/TRI.

No real reduction for 2 people, however deals are available etc. FSI has centres for the GIV at Long Beach /Wilmington DE/ Dallas/Savannah GA.

Simuflite Dallas and Morristown.

I have trained at both centers and find simuflite better on price than FSI by aound 20-30% they offer instructors whom are valid on type and actually flying the aircraft.

FSI has the added advantage of being next to the Savannah Facility and Hands on approach.
:ok:
Make sure you shop around in this very depressed market.
SmartCockpit - Airline training guides, Aviation, Operations, Safety (http://www.smartcockpit.com)
Is a great tool for pre study as well.

I am rated on the GIV and GV both as Pilot and Engineer if you need any help PM me.

[VH-CPL]

Thanks Rusty. Appreciate all the info. Will PM you when this job happens. Cheers

[TWOTBAGS]

When I was at CAE in November they were doing a 2 for the price of 1 deal so shop around.

CAE DXB runs hot and cold, the mob I work for has 4 G4s and have had mixed results from the DXB facility.

I'm here in Sydney too so PM me if you need anything else. Is dead set easy to have CASA put the rating on an Aussie licence if its on the FAA ATPL, if however you do a straight rating and try to put the rating on an Aussie licence its like pulling teeth!!! just dont do it.

There are ways of having your Aussie IR renewed when you do it in the sim o/s but it requires pre-planing and a bit of effort.:ok:

[VH-CPL]

Thanks TWOTBAGS. Great info. Cheers. I will take you up on the offer when required.

[mutt]

FAA AC 61.89E is online but out of date, can you tell me under the FAA system, what Gulfstream variants does the GIV rating allow you to fly.

Thanks

Mutt

[Gulfstreamaviator]

G4 and G4Sp. Only.

NO G450, or G350

Glf

[I.R.PIRATE]

G300 is also included in the IV rating....for what it's worth...

[Gulfstreamaviator]

for what its worth too.

NEW EASA MMEL available on line, NOW

....http://easa.europa.eu/ws_prod/c/doc/mmels/GIV%20%28G400,G300%29_JAA_%20MMEL_Supplement.pdf

glf

[FrankR]

Here is the JAA list of what you can fly with a specific type rating.

JAA | Licensing Class and Type Ratings - List of Aeroplanes (http://www.jaa.nl/licensing/classtyperatings.html)


FR

[Gulfstreamaviator]

But crossed out...

There is still hope.

Glf

[Gulfstreamaviator]

But the 550 behind you is catching up fast...

See you for the beer soon, I hope...

glf

[DA50driver]

There are no G300 or G400's according to Gulfstream. The GV type is good for 350, 450, GV, G500 and G550. If commercial operation a differences class is required, if private its up to your insurance carrier. (The G450 is a GIV-X, yet it requires a GV type rating).

[tournesol]

Sorry to side track the conversation.

Would a full type rating required for someone with the GIV rating to convert to the G 550? Or is it just the differences ? The two types are not all different or are they ?

:confused:

[DA50driver]

Yes, it requires a full type rating course as they are different types. There are al ot of similarities, yet enough differences for you to have to pay for the full type.
In my opinion the 450 should be a GIV type rating, as it has more in common with the 4 than a 550.

[W9SQD]

GIV doesn't = G450. It's generally all about the PlaneView avionics. The airplane systems on the G450 are more like those on the G550 than they are like the GIV.

[DA50driver]

The GIV has a lot more in common with the 450 than the 550. (Engines, wings, flight characteristics etc.) The Planeview takes 30 minutes to figure out. (I fly the 450 and 550, used to fly the 5 and 4).

Flying a 550 after the GIV is a whole different game, the 5/550 is a huge glider compared to the 4/450.

[mutt]

DA50driver,

From looking at cockpit posters, the G4 and G5 appear to be extremely similar, yet they aren't a common rating. Do you know why?

Mutt

[DA50driver]

The GIV and the G5 are very different airplanes when it comes to systems and handling, not to mention performance.

The G5 has a huge wing and BMW/Rolls Royce engines. The GIV has a smaller wing and the RR Tay engines. Electrical system is also different, some flight controls are different as well.

Typical ref speeds in the GIV are 130-140, the G5 low on fuel is down to 108 kias.

[mutt]

Very interesting.... thank you.

Mutt

[Gulfstreamaviator]

The 450 fly's like a 4, and looks inside like a 550.

the differences course between the G5 (or G550) to G450 does not really show the handling differences at all, so be ready for a big surprise, (when differencing in any direction).
Most differences courses, that go from G5/G550, to G450 have no G450 sim content.

so if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it might be a turkey.

buyer beware.,

glf

[NuName]

"The G5 has a huge wing and BMW/Rolls Royce engines."

I think that RR Aero is a completely different company to the auto side of things and therefore there is no such engine as a BMW/Rolls Royce.

I appreciate that this is an insignificant point in the context of the thread but being a Brit I dont want for us to have lost any more than we have already just by a slip of the tongue. :ouch:

If I am wrong I stand to be corrected, as I am usually. :sad:

[Gulfstreamaviator]

Powerplant: 2× Rolls-Royce BR710A1-10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_BR700) turbofan, 14,750 lbf (65 kN) each

Manufacturer BMW (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW) Rolls-Royce
Rolls-Royce Deutschland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Deutschland) First run 1994 Major applications Bombardier Global Express (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Global_Express)
Boeing 717 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_717)
Gulfstream V (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulfstream_V)


hope this clarifies whose donkey

glf

[Kelly Hopper]

Donk was designed by RR and built by RR.
BMW came along and bought it, just like the car division.
So now they are called BMW engines but they are actually RR in my head anyway.

[mutt]

I was surprised when I first read this as I presumed that the engines were built in Derby............

Manufactured by Rolls-Royce in Germany, the Tay 611-8C provides operators with modern technology, excellent performance and low maintenance costs, all
backed up by the global Rolls-Royce support network

Taken from http://www.rolls-royce.com/Images/Tay%20611-8C_tcm92-5750.pdf

Mutt

[NuName]

Will I go home in my Jag or the TATA :sad: