He's back -

[ALPHA FLOOR]

Capt Marin*o back on the CX roster from KA , see he is doing 340 ccq later in the month -- all smiles at Dragon air house I am willing to bet.

AFL

[Follow the Follow Me]

The Dragonair Pilot's Association was responsible.

He is still KA's chief pilot but he just doesn't fly our aircraft. How that works with CAD I don't know.

I have a lot to say about him but I won't.

[BEKOL Magic]

You're a bit out of the loop Alpha Floor. He's been flying CX metal since at least September - get with the program :ok:.

DPA refused to grant a further exemption to him from their seniority order. What do the DPA think they can achieve with this minor inconvenience? He's still their CP :}.

[broadband circuit]

What do the DPA think they can achieve with this minor inconvenience?

Actually, they've achieved 2 very significant things.

1. The KA chaps don't have to fly with him (good result for them)

2. We (CX) are stuck with him again (bad result for us)

[Follow the Follow Me]

Now lets be fair. Many of these F/O reported dramas are unsubstantiated.

On another issue with some management pilots. "I don't fly much" doesn't cut it on modern aircraft. You are either a good pilot or you are not. I did 3 months SLS and first days back flew like an ace. If you are not a good pilot, and are in management, everyone knows it and you are the professional laughing stock of the airline. Give it away!

[boocs]

F the F me,

Wasn't the comment directed at KA drivers that "you fly too much!!" ??? What i was told anyhow...

b.

[The Wraith]

Wow, Follow the Follow Me! Once you get over your lack of confidence and self criticism you'll probably turn out ok!!!
:eek:

[iceman50]

Follow the Follow Me

I did 3 months SLS and first days back flew like an ace.

Well YOU obviously thought you did, I wonder if EVERYBODY else did?

Did you want to be Chief Pilot, ACE, and they wouldn't let you, poor didums.

[jonathon68]

Morale at one airline has gone up..

Morale at another airline has gone down..

I shall leave everyone to guess which airlines ae involved..

[Australia2]

John,

You ARE wrong on one account I can assure you !

Oz2

[Follow the Follow Me]

Wasn't the comment directed at KA drivers that "you fly too much!!" ??? What i was told anyhow...

b.

Hey Boocs. No. My point misunderstood and it wasn't in relation to the CP and I don't want to drag up unsubstantiated F/O stories or comments. My point was aimed elsewhere as I don't think you are cutting the grade when you consistently identify yourself as a threat when flying the line. It may have been good CRM initially. Now it is poor leadership. A few sectors a month on Airbus aircraft is enough to maintain a leadership standard. If you can't well you just can't.

[Follow the Follow Me]

The Wraith and iceman50. You come over insecure and threatened by throw away lines on pprune. Ease up. You especially iceman. Very uncool. I am starting to wonder if training and checking at Cathay is intimidation and an industrial weapon judging by nervous outpourings around here.

[iceman50]

Follow the Follow Me

The only nervous and insecure outpourings here are from you and your poor attempt at trying to make excuses for your comments. I think you need to grow up or is that "uncool" as well.:rolleyes:

[punkalouver]

What is the problem with this guy. Examples of what a flight would be like. Can't be that bad.

[preset]

You especially iceman. Very uncool.


An iceman becoming "uncool" couldn't that become life threatening ? :}

[BEKOL Magic]

*rant on*

punkalouver - this is pprune. A place for a small minority to b*tch about people they hear rumours of, and don't really know (or do know, but are bitter enough to feel the need to stir or give people a bad name on a public forum). The sooner you learn that, the better.

The reality is the management guy you meet in the office is doing a job to bring home the bacon; same as any other Tom, Dick or Harry. Their job, however, requires them to commit necessary evils to keep the lads up top happy (which they are suitably compensated for, of course).

Management pilots are puppets for the executives of the company. They do whatever the puppeteers require. Whether it be to implement methods to reduce costs (ie SLS, B Scale, etc) or get the labour force to kow tow to their masters :} (49ers). This is capitalism in working motion, chaps! It doesn't take a genius to see that.

Exploit units of labour (ie, us pilots) and reduce costs to reel in a profit for the shareholders (and Tony's bonus might I add :ok:).

You might not have realised it but this is what YOU signed up for. If you don't like it, don't blame the personalities who implement these policies, blame the system!


And, subsequently, you should probably move to North Korea :E.

Out of the office, these guys are just normal people who like to spend time with their families or even have an ale and watch the cricket. It might suprise some to see they don't have horns and a tail :=.
*rant off*

All the best for 2010,

BEKOL Magic ;).

[jonathon68]

Almost all of us are "part of the system" to some degree or another.

Everyone draws the line in a different place for different issues at different stages in their career. An example, would be someone who elected to never fly a freighter nor work a "G day" for over a decade, but ultimately ends up as a trainer. Meanwhile his colleague, who decries the idea of going into training, accepts freighter flying so that he could get his temporary basing for that year. You could easily argue that both are wrong for playing into the hands of the Company. But it is impossible (and a waste of time) to say who is a more "hard-core Unionist" than the other. I doubt that more than a handful of pilots in the Company could stand up to total scrutiny of the most absolute of the work-to-rule purists.

The Company will always fill vacant positions with pilots. Our flights will be crewed, through recruitment, training, rostering and manipulation there-of. Similarly, our pilot management positions will also always be filled, and we will continue to fight the same old battles anyway.

I think that rather than discourage people from going into management (and training) etc, we should be grooming our own "sleeper agents" to try and take over the 3rd floor from the inside. With retirement age disappearing into infinity, we could be stuck with some of the present 3rd floor incumbents for decades. We desperately need to get the guys we want, up there.

[The Wraith]

F the F me,
I am not insecure, I just don't come on here and tell everyone just how damn cool and amazing I am. 3 months off and you come back and fly like an ace....
Get over yourself.
:yuk:

[Steve the Pirate]

jonathon

I agree completely with your first 3 paragraphs. I also agree with the sentiment of the last one but, in reality, when people become part of any management structure they risk becoming institutionalised. There are obvious exceptions (Philby, Blunt etc) but I would imagine that most people would eventually succumb to the thinking on management's side of the fence. Not only that, you have to reach at least GM level before you can influence the system.

Still, I might be wrong. I seem to recall someone telling me that one of our current GMs used to be a BALPA representative in a previous life.

STP

[mr Q]

I'll be at Laguna from 3pm tomorrow and I'll be glad to enlighten you with with my wisdom!

Do You think filipinas and indonesians will have any real interest in this topic ????????????????????????????????????????

[FlexibleResponse]

..."animal farm" by george orwell comes to mind...

[Follow the Follow Me]

I am not insecure, I just don't come on here and tell everyone just how damn cool and amazing I am. 3 months off and you come back and fly like an ace....
Get over yourself.


With.

Follow the Follow Me

The only nervous and insecure outpourings here are from you and your poor attempt at trying to make excuses for your comments. I think you need to grow up or is that "uncool" as well.



Without a doubt the pair of you are insecure having been brow beaten by the system across the road. Check and training must be some sort of industrial weapon. Look at yourselves in the mirror. I am having a swipe at a someone who makes excuses on the line for lack of flying prowess. Very poor leadership. I come off leave and fly like an ace. So would most others at KA. Without the benefit of a practice session most show the same proficiency once a year on a heavy weight V1 cut. Sector currency or the same hour over and over again forty times a month.

Maybe the rumor is correct. KA pilots are too sector current for check and training to be used as an industrial weapon.

Weirdos.

[The Wraith]

Wow! Follow The Follow Me!
You really are amazing! I am, frankly, in awe of you! I imagine most of us poor, insecure, browbeaten weirdos at CX are!
By your own admission you fly like an ace....I am so impressed! I'm glad to see that you demonstrate such humility and modesty! You must be surrounded by an aura as you glide through the hallowed halls of KA House! I'm now really glad that I turned the Dragonair offer down in favour of working for CX because you would have been a hard act to follow! Of course, that means having to suffer a wide and varied route structure on the 777 fleet flying with a great bunch of pilots...none as skilled as you of course...and enduring possibly the best training department anyone could hope for, but that is a cross I am willing to bear!
Anyway, Ace, may I call you Ace, or do you prefer Captain Ace, Sir? I have to go, now, and attend my Assertiveness and Self Worth course in TST.... May the others that surround you bask in the warm glow of your superiority! Oh, how I envy them!
:yuk::yuk::yuk::yuk::yuk:

[parabellum]

Follow the Follow Me - What do you guys think, a Troll or an accident waiting to happen?

[Follow the Follow Me]

The Wraith. You still seem insecure. Yes. There are weirdos about too. The number of CX guys here who have leapt to the defense of the rumored bullying tactics and double standards of management explains a good deal.

I'm glad you knocked back KA. I would have warmed to Billy Sex Crime but.

parabellum. The frame of reference of the ace statement would only have out pourings from the insecure. People who take themselves so seriously as to have names such as iceman and wraith ( the ).

Don't get offended. We are constantly made aware of the world class standards at CX by our Chief Pilot.

[The Wraith]

Ok, whatever....yaaaaaaaaaawn....

Oh, and before I doze off, seeing as how you have your flying skills down to perfection, perhaps you could take some time off to attend some English grammar courses to learn how to string a coherent and grammatically correct sentence together? Just a thought....

:ugh:

[iceman50]

Follow the Follow Me

You are more to be pitied than scolded!

You come across as a complete Banker. Sorry cannot pronounce the letter W.:rolleyes:

[411A]

Good grief...this guy sounds like a modern day Captain Lorry King.
After CX, Capt King went to SQ, where he was....ahhh, not especially liked by the First Officers
So I was told, anyway.

[Old Fella]

411A If you are going to repeat 'hear say' at least get the individuals name spelt correctly. It was Capt Laurie King, not Lorry. With posts like yours I believe even more strongly in the advice my late Dad gave me, "Son, don't put any store in what others say about another, make your own decision based on your experience of them" :ugh:

[411A]

Ahh yes, Laurie.
His reputation proceeded him, alright.
Having met a lot of ex-CX guys over the years, strangely enough...the opinions are all about the same.:\
Nevertheless, he seemed like a gentleman...from a distance.:rolleyes:

[HotDog]

I found him alright. He could make or break you depending on how you treated him. The fact that he rose from Sergeant Pilot ranks, didn't go over too well with ex Squadron Leader types but he did have some quirks, to put it mildly.

[galdian]

Well call me crazy but I reckon FtFM (who apparently lives in a fishing village by his location) actually went fishing for a bit of fun one day...

and landed a couple of really nice bites. :ok:

It is Pprune after all! ;)

[Night Watch]

HotDog

Seriously..... you haven't worked for CX for a very long time. So how would you know if he is STILL a dick or not?

[HotDog]

Nightwatch, I was referring to Laurie.