Ethiopian Airline

[kijanasafi]

Guys i want to know something. Have flown several airlines to Jomo Kenyatta international Nairobi and can say the landing was kind ok.Recently i landed with Ethiopian arilne and the landing was very rough It approached the runway and landed heavily with a speed i have never experienced with another airline and the brakes were applied like emergency brakes as we approached the end of the runway.Pax were looking at each other like this is our day.Any idea on why it happened?am a frequent flyer despite the phobia of flying

[ab33t]

This happens at times , hot weather , speed etc . Happened to me with Emirates

[Cardinal Puff]

Industrial action by the Lift Pixies?

Perhaps it was thronomister failure.

[Zimpilot1]

Ethiopian Airlines does this all the time. I have actually stopped flying with them. They could be cheaper than most airlines but like you say the landings are rather scary

[Soap Box Cowboy]

Hear salaries are not that great either, makes you wonder how the pilots survive, especially the lower echelons. :rolleyes:

[JTrain]

Cost of living is pretty low in Ethiopia IF you're a native.

You're taking the cost of living where you are, which is likely 1st World, and applying that to ADD and ET's salary. Guarantee you the locals can get by on a much much less.

I've lived in DRC for 3.5 years. Not that I'd want to, but for $1000/month I could have a pretty decent life, including housing, food, etc.....

[N1 Limit]

This sort of stuffs happen everywhere in most of the airlines,KQ had that reputation too few years back especially when they train young guys with low experience,so it's really not a big big deal.As for the pay it's proportional to the cost of living in Ethiopia altough i agree it should be scaled to the standard worldwide but Ethiopian pilots are highly professionals and well trained pilots

[Capetonian]

For reasons which I cannot divulge, I have been given a free ticket on Ethiopian Airlines for a trip home and back. Suffice to say I won't be using it, and that decision was made long before I read this posting.

[Zimpilot1]

The standard of living in Ethiopia has greatly increased in the last year and its actually affecting the locals more than the foreigners. Ethiopian is losing pilots as fast as it can train them so the standards will never be that great until they look at the pilot salaries

[AF022]

Are you kidding me? Ethiopian is one of the best airlines in Africa.

[Skylion]

Ethiopian have an excellent engineering, operational and safety record stretching back to 1948 and anybody refusing a ticket on them for supposed safety reasons is making a big mistake. They are probably the best operator in Africa,- and that includes SAA. Landings into Nairobi by all airlines are often fast as required by its altitude and , often, temperatures so nothing to worry about on that score. It is also not a place for elegant landings if it is desired to exit the runway via the last turnoff onto the taxiway rather than continue to the end , turn around and backtrack which costs time and may inconvenience following traffic.

[bumba]

I think they are hiring ... any inputs on the interview?

Thanks

[DecBer]

yes any information on interviews much appreciated. ! thanks DecBer

[atpcliff]

Hi!

As a Passenger, inside a plane, you have NO IDEA if the landing was "good" or "bad".

For instance, you could have a very smooth touchdown and a smooth deceleration, but the pilots landed outside the landing zone (first 1000m) of the runway, which is not standard, and makes the landing less safe, as you have shortened the runway available.

On the other hand, you could have a very bumby and erratic approach, and then a VERY hard landing, and it could have been the most safe landing possible, considering the weather conditions.

You could have a very sharp deceleration, which is much safer than a gentle one, when the runway is limited.

If you taxi from the runway to the gate, then your landing was successful.

You land, or you don't land. My goal is to land after every takeoff.

cliff
KDFW

[answer=42]

I too have suffered from EABLS (Ethiopian Airlines Bumpy Landing Syndrome).

Does this affect my future flight plans?

No: Ethiopian are IOSA certified (http://www.iata.org/ps/certification/iosa/registry.htm)and that's good enough for this SLF.

[Birdy767]

before you decide to move to Addis, you better check how housing is expensive! BASIC appartment - 1 realllllly small bedroom for 2000$ Pollution is terrible, and forget about having your own car. Taxes are just stupid 240% decreasing... e.g. a basic Hyundai costs 50.000$

[lunav]

not true. Life is cheap.

[reptile]

Ethiopian have an excellent engineering, operational and safety record stretching back to 1948 and anybody refusing a ticket on them for supposed safety reasons is making a big mistake.

Unless you were a passenger on the Beirut-Addis flight this morning:

(CNN) -- An Ethiopian airliner with 83 people on board crashed into the sea after takeoff from Lebanon early Monday, Lebanese army officials said.

The Boeing aircraft was en route from Beirut to the Ethiopian capital, Addis Ababa, when it disappeared from radar 30 minutes after takeoff from Rafik Hariri International Airport in Beirut about 4 a.m. local time, Lebanon's National News Agency reported.

On board were 54 Lebanese nationals and 29 people of other nationalities, the army officials said.

No additional information was immediately available.

[18left]

Dont jump to conclusions,crashes and safety policies are two different things.
They sometimes don't go hand in hand.

There are airlines with best safety practices,that still fall out of the sky,and a number of dubious operators with no crash yet.

recent examples are BA777/Airfrance A330/KENYA AIRWAYS,who have all had major crashes in recent times,but i would fly them anyday,including ETHIOPIAN.

[lowbypass]

Sadly enough we pilots are judged by LANDINGS.
We fly them for say 6hrs non stop, dodge thunderstorms, look for tailwinds at levels, slow down to minimum turbulence speed for them not to be shaken all over, manage the FMS well so that we do not wind up in tokyo instead of seoul, struggle to stay awake...all this is immaterial to MOST pax.
Even 'good' pilots make hard landings too.
Okay, stop flying ET...
Do you know that sometimes planes land THEMSELVES?..:E

[Mshamba]

If pax talk about "hard landings" they most probably never experienced a hard landing, same with those "severe turbulences" they always have on their flights... sorry, but a hard landing is when the masks drop and severe turbulences are when the trolleys are crashing at the roof of the plane with severe injuries therefore.

Anyway i gave up arguing with pax, i'd rather talk to a traffic light.

[skysahara]

HI,AS A PILOT ANYONE EVEN MOST EXPERIENCED CAN DO A HARD LANDING.NOT INTENTIONAL,BUT DUE TO PREVAILING ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS DURING LANDING.
I KNOW ETH.. HAS A GOOD SAFETY RECORD IN AFRICA,A SH*** PAY PACKAGE.
THEY LOSS BAGGAGE ALOT,OR YOU GET IT WITH ITEMS STOLEN BY THERE HANDLING PERSONNEL.

FOR THE LEBANON CRASH LETS GIVE THE GUYS INVESTIGATING TIME TO REPORT ACTUAL CAUSE OF ACCIDENT.

TV NEWS SAYS PILOT DID NOT FOLLOW A.T.C INSTRUCTIONS,OTHER STATIONS SAY BAD WEATHER.THE PRESIDENT RUSHED TO RULE OUT TERRORIST ATTACK.

LETS HOPE WE GET THE TRUTH,AND HOPE ETHIOPIAN ... DOES NOT LEAVE AS IN THE DARK WITH NO ANSWER LIKE MOST AIRLINES DO(HIDDING INFO).LIKE THE DUALA 737 etc...

[27ace]

Any of you who are on here and profess to be professional pilots, sitting around for hours discussing hard landings and determining whether an airline is good or not depending on landings, need to get out more.

Facts:

All transport category aircraft are certified to take a certain amount of G- loading on landing. Am sure what you describe as 'bad landings' fall comfortably within that G-load limit. Your backsides sitting in row 13 are not G- meters.:E

Varying conditions dictate landings, i.e length of available runway, condition of runway, braking, altitude (and Ethiopia and Kenya are pretty high altitude), the type of Landing Clearance (i.e arrange to vacate by first intersection, etc), wind direction and gusts, etc.

If a landing is hard enough to trigger the G-meter, then the aircraft generally has to undergo a check to determine the extent of damage. Again this is a pretty thorough check, not a standard walkaround. Expensive to any airline, and causing delays etc. This does not happen as often as you may think.

ET and KQ are quite professional and have been around longer than most of you here have been alive. Training is done to professional standards, and IOSA certified.

A more interesting topic to discuss would be the 737-800 among operators around the world, and why it so loved by operators, and generally disliked by pilots.

27.

[Quafty]

Yes let's hope that we do soon find out. We all need to learn from these things. Accidents are never good news but if we learn from them they are also not totally BAD.

It is good to know that, as in the Haiti Disaster, South Africans have once again been called to assist. Capt. Mick Mitchell, Retired Head of Operations for SAA and now heads up Global Aviation Consultants who, in turn, represent Blake Emergency Services in Africa is presently in Addis to set up the Crisis Management Centre there. Great stuff, Mick. :D