Lan Peru

[hairyA320]

Facts about working for LANPERU
I heard that LANPERU is hiring again.

I would like to ask about roster patterns, days off at home, days off down route, duty day lengths...etc etc for all fleets. Could someone post a copy of their roster? (in an easy to understand format!)

Contactability on Days off? Standby days? Any extras for nightflights? Perdiems?

Buying and renting houses/flats in Lima. What, where and how much.

Many happy landings

[FlyingOW]

Do you read/speak/write spanish fluently? If you dont, it's all a bit academic really...

OW

[cosmiccomet]

I would say if you are not Peruvian at this moment is really an academic excercise.

I have Peruvian Unlimited Residency Visa, Peruvian CPL IR ME Frozen ATPL.
I was working for Cielos del Peru Airlines for 5 years, more than 3100 hrs in DC10, a lot of good friends inside.
FAA's ATPL DC10 PIC & B744 SIC, JAR CPL IR ME Frozen ATPL, more than 7,100 total time, 1,800 hrs in B744 SIC.
I have applied for both TACA Peru and Lan Peru and none of them have called me yet.

[SW_US]

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[EagleA25]

Cosmic
There are a lot of applicants I know of who have not been called yet, but it is Latin American reality that they will call you a day before the interview... of course when you are on a layover... it’s always like that... a little luck has to be involved!
The fact is that by June next year LAN Peru WILL need over new 60 Pilots, Capts and FO's. As it is seen, they have no clue were to get them from. Both recruitment and training takes time, costs money and resources and preparation, something companies nowadays are not willing to spend if not absolutely necessary.
To answer hairyA320’s questions, Peruvian Laws allow for six days on and one day off, which is from 00:01 till 23:59. Union contracts and pilot agreements are different from company to company, but the happy days of big cash and little flying hours from the Middle East and Europe you might be used to you can say good bye… With Captain Pay you belong to no more than middle to upper middle class nowadays. It will keep you alive but won’t make you rich.
In LPE Pilots usually fly 4 to 5 days on, have a reserve day and then their day off, flying in the Airbus fleet that is. The Boeing Fleet is a bit more relaxed, there you have 7 to 10 trips per month.
Per diem varies per destination and is on average US45 per day (Europe a little more, S. America less). If you fly in the Airbus fleet, you won’t have more than two layovers per month as “Viaticos” will only be paid for Layovers. Extra pay for night flying doesn't exsist, you can be lucky if your company accepts to pay you extra when you fly on days like Christmas and New Year...
Rental and Property prices have gone up the last five year in Peru by approx. 55-80%. That means an apartment in Miraflores of about 150 square meters will cost you about US$ 160.000 to US$ 200.000 and the prices are going up again. Rent will be between US$ 550 to US$ 900. It might not be very much for a metropolitan city but you have to remember that your paycheck is nothing compared to your income while flying in the US and Europe while the risk of being laid off are a lot higher than like in companies like BA, LH or AF…
Getting credits and bank services are a lot more costly; interest rates here vary from 8% to up to 14% on home credits and car loans, not 3-4% like in the US. Also you WILL be spending a lot on security issues if you love your family as the possibilities of burglary, kidnappings or assaults are much higher than you might be used to. Alarm and burglary services will cost you around US100 per month.
I hope that helps a little…
All the best
Eagle

[The Dominican]

Cosmic
There are a lot of applicants I know of who have not been called yet, but it is Latin American reality that they will call you a day before the interview... of course when you are on a layover... it’s always like that... a little luck has to be involved!
The fact is that by June next year LAN Peru WILL need over new 60 Pilots, Capts and FO's. As it is seen, they have no clue were to get them from. Both recruitment and training takes time, costs money and resources and preparation, something companies nowadays are not willing to spend if not absolutely necessary.
To answer hairyA320’s questions, Peruvian Laws allow for six days on and one day off, which is from 00:01 till 23:59. Union contracts and pilot agreements are different from company to company, but the happy days of big cash and little flying hours from the Middle East and Europe you might be used to you can say good bye… With Captain Pay you belong to no more than middle to upper middle class nowadays. It will keep you alive but won’t make you rich.
In LPE Pilots usually fly 4 to 5 days on, have a reserve day and then their day off, flying in the Airbus fleet that is. The Boeing Fleet is a bit more relaxed, there you have 7 to 10 trips per month.
Per diem varies per destination and is on average US45 per day (Europe a little more, S. America less). If you fly in the Airbus fleet, you won’t have more than two layovers per month as “Viaticos” will only be paid for Layovers. Extra pay for night flying doesn't exsist, you can be lucky if your company accepts to pay you extra when you fly on days like Christmas and New Year...
Rental and Property prices have gone up the last five year in Peru by approx. 55-80%. That means an apartment in Miraflores of about 150 square meters will cost you about US$ 160.000 to US$ 200.000 and the prices are going up again. Rent will be between US$ 550 to US$ 900. It might not be very much for a metropolitan city but you have to remember that your paycheck is nothing compared to your income while flying in the US and Europe while the risk of being laid off are a lot higher than like in companies like BA, LH or AF…
Getting credits and bank services are a lot more costly; interest rates here vary from 8% to up to 14% on home credits and car loans, not 3-4% like in the US. Also you WILL be spending a lot on security issues if you love your family as the possibilities of burglary, kidnappings or assaults are much higher than you might be used to. Alarm and burglary services will cost you around US100 per month.
I hope that helps a little…
All the best
Eagle


This is probably the most balanced assessment of flying in Latin America now a days that I have seen posted here, there are a lot of "rosier colored glasses" posts on here about the LAN conglomerate and the simple truth is that living expenses in Latin America are no longer cheap; food, cars, and living costs are even higher than in a lot of places in the U.S. if you want to live a life comparable to your life style back in the U.S. that is and the pay is very low. A lot of inside politics is the game of the day working for Latin companies (more so than any job you have experienced thus far) If you have somewhat of a decent job back home I wouldn't leave it behind to go work for these outfits (I do know several close friends that work there) If you don't have a job, well any job is better than no job but be prepared to work hard for little pay, be constantly playing politics and paying a higher cost of living than you could possibly envision

[FlyingOW]

A fair post by Eagle and Dominican regarding politics and work hours, but I would like to clear up some inaccuracies. These are the figures for Capt pay, no BS, no rose tinted glasses, just facts. You can make up your mind if it is a lot, enough, alright, or very little. Here goes:

Basic yearly salary for year 1 Capt before Tax, (current ER: 2.9 soles = 1USD)
Airbus: 323,175 Soles + 8,500USD(this figure is NET) into your CTS account
Boeing: 344,520 Soles + 9,000USD(NET) into your CTS account

Productivity Pay: Any 3 consecutive months > 247 rostered hrs Bus, >250 rostered hrs Boeing pays 715 Soles Bus and 765 Soles Boeing. I made an extra 6000 soles over my first trimester on the bus.

Working any public holiday (12 per year) pays 1430 soles Bus or 1530 Boeing.

Tax man takes 30% and 10% goes to a private peruvian pension fund of your choosing.:eek:

Viaticos (From start of Duty time out until end of duty time back in Lima):
Europe: 4 USD/hr = 96 USD/day
USA + Brasil : 2.80 USd/hr = 67.2USD/day
S. America: 2.50 USD/hr = 60USD/day
You get an extra 75USD when you spend xmas or new years on layover only.
(Quite "a little more" and certainly not "a little less" than the 45USD mentioned by Eagle)

30 days vacation/year, accrue 1 additional day each year after year 5

Guaranteed Days off: 9 days off per month of which 3 in a row, 1 weekend off (Sat and Sun) however these 2 can be killed with one stone if they coincide,and the rest are distributed around the month. Usually work 4 or 5 days straight with 1 reserve day then have 1 or 2 or 3 days off. Union working on getting 4 days off in a row.

If on the Bus,do not expect to fly any regionals on the bus for at least 6 months or so on the line,until then domestic only which is EXTREMELY hard work btw, only then will you have 2 regionals per month until seniority improves. However, Eagle and another colleague got their first regionals after 1 month on the line, so rule doesnt apply to everyone. I did 4 months on the line before first regional and so did another colleague. But the 4 of us have great "company" seniority. Senior Captains fly 5-6 regionals a month on the Bus, 3 of which are layovers.

Flying on the B767 is a country club in comparison. 7-8 flights per month, you make about 1000 USD/month in viaticos on a good month and you fly all destinations once you are ETOPS and NAT qualified. And you have more time off as most flights leave between 12 to 2am, so get picked up at 10pm and get in very early around 6 am, and these "dias blancos" are not considered days off. After any MAD flight land at 5am, you get a minimum of 2 days off.

Re: Rental, buying and security figures are correct. Mortgages run at 8-9%, credit cards at 14% and carloans at 7-8% and cost about 20% more than in he US. Gas 5 USD per gallon for the best stuff.

Living expenses are still cheap, Basic package of Cable+phone+internet for 60 USD all in. Live in maids cost 150-300 USD a month depending on age and experience. Grocery costs run around 500-600 USD for a family of 4 in the best supermarket chain. Electricity runs about 200 soles in the summer months and 3-400 in winter months. Water is included in building maintenance cost and cell phone for 2 adults with intl minutes around 100USD.

Again just FACTS, you decide.

OW out:ok:

PS. On a personal note, if you have good job or have children and are joining as an FO, dont quit your job for this unless offered the Boeing. But if out of work or you are an experienced FO with no command prospects or possible redundancy on the horizon (they are currently offering experienced FOs with > 4000 hrs and hrs on airbus type, Direct entry commands on the 319), its a no brainer really. You have to sign a 3 year bond however! Not a bad deal given the state of the industry around the world and for living in Peru. As Eagle said, middle to upper middle class is about right, but where are pilots more than middle class? Long gone are the glory days where pilots were held in high esteem, just listen to Sully's declaration in congress about the state of his beloved industry or watch the CNN piece on pilots living in trailers in the LAX carpark! A little perspective please.....:ugh:

[Air-fan]

Hi Ow,
Have you heard something about there is no option for expats in Lan Peru for the process started during these last months?
I ´ve been informed that Lan Peru will only hire peruvians. If you know this or a positive option for expats, please tell us the last facts to everyone who read this post.

[FlyingOW]

Air-fan

Hi, this is what I know. I recently ran into an ex-Avianca Captain now with LPE who mentioned to me personally that he managed to get a good friend, who was recently laid off in Europe, into LAN Peru. It would therefore stand to reason that LPE is still hiring S. American nationals who belong to the Comunidad Andina - CAN (Colombia, Ecuador, Bolivia & Peru) for both Capt and FO solts as it has been doing for the last 2 years. Re: Chances of hiring expats not from one of these countries? I would say pretty slim. I could be wrong though, the company says it wants 100 new pilots for 2010 so anything goes. As always Spanish is a must. I am walking in a resume for a good friend from Colombia tomorrow, so will let you know what they say.

Best of luck,

OW

[Bad to the bones]

Hi guys after reading this post, seems that LAN is becoming a very interesting option, I would like to send my CV, but no official Email is published, any Idea where can I address it to??

THKS

[BritishGuy]

Can someone confirm that konwing how to speak Spanish is a MUST?

[Almendrudo]

Thanks for the info you´re sharing.
I´m really interested and signing a bond is no problem at all.

[FlyingOW]

OK......officially they are giving priority to Peruvians as I type,which is absolutely the correct thing, firts jobs go to locals, then "extranjeros". But, as confirmed to me by an HR lady this afternoon, they will need to look at Comunidad Andina Nationals as the local pool dries up. This much is certain, there aren't enough local pilots to cover the projected growth for 2010 (exactly what happened in 2007-2008), and as the CAN nationals are easier to get work visas for due to bilateral agreements etc, they will be given prioirty over all others. And as I have already mentioned before, SPANISH IS AN ABSOLUTE MUST! Why? Because, all company communiques, emails, telephone calls, dealing with HR, the Rostering dept, the training dept, even with the bosses, Advisory & Operational circulars, OM & OPSPECS, briefings/debriefings, groundschools, etc are all in....yes you guessed it, SPANISH.

Saludos,

OW

PS. New routes for 2010 on the Bus: Brasilia & Rio. Boeing: San Fran + 3 more Madrid per week.

[TOFFAIR]

any outlook for Brazilian nationals? Is LPE taking the E190 as well?
thanks for any further infos

[hairyA320]

MERRY X-MAS and HAPPY NEWYEAR

[YV757]

Hello again OW.

Your posts have been very informative. As someone said before, to which (or whose) e-mail address should we send our CV's? It's been a year since the last LAN Peru hiring drive, and I would like to apply again. I'm type rated on both the 757/767 with 500 hrs on each.

PM me if you like.

Saludos.

[FI 21]

Dear OW,

It´s very nice to have all this information.

I am from Argentina and i have some experience operating A320. I really would like to apply LAN, do you think if i could have any posibility now as FO? if yes, do you have any mail direction to send my CV and covering letter?

Thanking you in advance and you can also send me a private.

[VONKLUFFEN]

...Lan Peru starts hiring DEC , do you need to be type rated? And it is understood that locals or members for the comunidad andina are first, what are the chances for other latins to join? Currently 738 and close to 17000 hours , 10000 as PIC all flown to mayor air carriers, in Mexico and in Asia.
Last but not least where or who do we contact to send the CV?
Take care and happy landings.

[CubanadeAviacion]

Saludos a todos! I went to the Miami Job Fair and have some feedback for you guys.

First off, is the last time I'll go to this place for a job fair. It was totally misleading. I feel bad for the pilots that paid a ticket to go to this place in the hopes of getting hired or interviewed at the open house.

The reason I say this is because out of all the people they were saying were hiring, I think Colgan Air and Cape Air were about the only ones doing any real hiring.

So here's Lan Peru. When you get there, they give you a pamphlet with the information of all the companies attending the job fair and minimums, positions they're hiring for, etc.

So Lan Peru, they wanted like 4000 hours, type rated in the Bus or Boeing equip., and for now Captains only, since they're giving priority to Peruvian nacionals for F/O slots (as it should be). Well, I thought I'll give it a try anyway, I was already there.

Jajaja...little did we know that when you got close to the interview room, there was yet another piece of information they didn't make available to the people attending the job fair on the Aeroservice website; you HAD to be from a Pacto Andino country; only exception is Spain, no way around that.

So needles to say...Oh wait: you have to be like 60 or 57 years old to get DEC in the B763, no way around that either, they said it is so the other guys can eventually upgrade some day.

Everybody else that supposedly was hiring...well, they were not, just picking up resumes for "possible" hiring in the summer...blah blah blah. Maybe Falcon Air at the end was really hiring, I don't know, I have to ask my friend cause I didn't stay, my jumpseat was at 3 pm back to IAH. I'll call him and find out what happened and post it here.

Please, if someone had a different experience, shed some positive light on this, I don't want to be all negative and stuff, but man it felt really bad that they had all this information all along and didn't disseminated it, you know?

Good experience with the Lan Group guys, a female and a guy, both really nice.

Good luck to all possible new hires and happy trails!!

[FlyingOW]

Cubana,

Nothing new there, about hiring mins and hours requirements and citizenship (CAN), etc. I posted this information not too long ago on the LANChile thread.

Suerte,

OW.

[chileno 777]

you HAD to be from a Pacto Andino country; only exception is Spain


Why Spain?

[LORITO]

estoy leyendo sobre lan peru y me intereza si alguien puede darme mejores indicaciones sobre la postulacion y que es eso de la can.

[FI 21]

Yes, is now LAN PERU looking for FO? should you be "Peruano"? what about if i am from other south american country?

[tangalanga]

The facts:
The Job Fair sucks big time. Florida West was there and they are not hiring at all!!!!:ugh: like many others I guess. This Fair is something that Aeroservice does to advertise their self, like always.
I do not understand what Lan Peru is doing. I know the reasons behind all the requirements (talking about nationality), are basically limitations that they have related with immigration policies, ok, fine, but what the hell they are doing in Miami?, they really hope to find people like they were looking for ? (Spain or Pacto Andino country Nationality,4000h PIC Jet(minimum), 58 to 62 years old, wide body experience, fluent Spanish, and of course, jobless and willing to move to Lima).I know we are on crisis, but hey, come on!!!, how many people like that you can find in Miami?, maybe I am wrong.
The facts for hiring were.
FO: Just if you are peruano, not other nationalities at all. Plus the minimums hours that I don’t know.
DEC: Peruvian, Spanish or Pacto Andino only, as I mentioned that before, the age 58 to 62 was just for the 767, plus the minimum experience of course.
Any way, Lan Peru is a good company and people from HR is very very nice, the only negative side is that they are looking for people “here” ,that they should be looking “there”, and many guys(pilots) are wasting time, money and illusions in that process.
Good luck to everyone, and congratulations to Lan Peru and their people, is good news to know that they are hiring again, regardless where are they from.:ok:

[flyvargas]

Whether the fair"sucks" or not depends on each one of us. One thing is for sure: it is better for it is FREE compared to other job fairs who charge $100-200 just to get in. Trust me , i've been there. Aeroservice can advertise all they want about themselves. They have that right when using their facility.
In regards to LAN peru: i saw 300 hr wonders in line to talk to them totally disregarding their posted requirements, which were available in the handout as you entered the fair. Except for the nationality requirements, which were nowhere mentioned.They have a right to ask for whatever they want. Whether they get them or not, well, that's another story.

[CubanadeAviacion]

Totally agree with you, they have the right to ask for whatever they consider is a fair minimum to get hired by them. I have absolutely no problem with LAN for doing that. My personal experience was good, other than the requirements they handed you at the front door and the fact that I'm sure that a lot of "300 hrs wonders" probably paid a ticket or some form of transportation to get there in the hope of getting hired by someone,i.e. LAN, just to be given minimums at the door that I'm confident had they known those were the minimums they were asking for, they wouldn't have gone to the fair. It was free, but brother, you were there, nobody was hiring...maybe Colgan and Cape Air.

Like I said, I had a great experience and meet some really cool guys and some old friends from town, but then again, I have a very good job with lots of seniority and working in the training dept.; I had nothing to lose and got to see my family again for a couple of days, but it hurt me to see all these guys come over with the illusion of getting somewhere, me included...I'm not going to lie, just to see the "real minimums" and "hiring status" at the door, that then again, if Aeroservice would have made them available at their web page, this guy would've stayed at home.