High Heels

[Kiting for Boys]

Running in high heels may cost RAF £200,000. .By Michael Evans, Defence Editor. . . . . . . .A WOMAN RAF officer won a six-year legal battle with the Ministry of Defence yesterday after suffering a serious ankle injury when ordered to run in high heels while carrying a heavy kitbag. . .The career of Flight Lieutenant Deborah Burns, 28, was ruined on only the second day of her initial training course at RAF Cranwell in August 1996. . .. .Required to dress smartly in civilian clothes for the “swearing of allegiance” parade, she was wearing high-heeled court shoes when she was told to pick up 80lb of kit and carry it to her accommodation block. As she struggled with the bag across the parade ground, she was ordered to run because she and the other cadets were behind schedule. . .. .In her civil case against the MoD at Preston Crown Court, she said that she went over on her high heels and fell heavily, rupturing her Achilles tendon. She remained in the RAF, but has been deskbound because of her injuries and is due to leave the service in August, having been refused a permanent commission. . .. .The amount of compensation has yet to be evaluated, but Flight Lieutenant Burns could be awarded £100,000 to £200,000 because her official reports assessed that she had the prospects of rising to the rank of Wing Commander. . .. .A spokesman for the MoD said that it was disappointed with the result. But Paul Burns, the officer’s father, said that the RAF had “just disposed of” his daughter. “As the judge said in the case, people are no longer expendable.” . .. .Flight Lieutenant Burns, who now works in supplies administration at RAF Strike Command in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, said: “I am absolutely delighted with the outcome. My ankle is still in a terrible state.” . .. .In court RAF lawyers rejected her claim that she had been ordered to run and said that her injury was not as serious as she made out. The Recorder Graham Wood said that Flight Lieutenant Burns was an “honest witness” and concluded that she had been told to “make haste” while wearing inappropriate footwear. . .. .Mr Burns said that his daughter had won back her integrity and intended to do a law degree at university. “Because of some ridiculous order to run in high heels with full kit she has lost years of her life. Now they have been found completely liable for her injury, and we are happy that justice has been done. It is regrettable that we could not find that sense of justice within the RAF’s official board of inquiry and that we were driven to seek it elsewhere.” . .. .A spokesman for the RAF said: “Changes have been introduced in recent years to improve the quality and consistency of the training, with added emphasis on health and safety areas.”

[Dogstar]

It really is a sad state of affairs that people constantly have to make someone else accountable. Surely this female officer cadet should have had the common sense to not run in high heels in the first place. Why did she not point she was in high heels or (if she was so deperate to prove herself on day 1) take her high heels off and run barefoot to her destination. This deperate urge to sue the MoD for huge amounts of damages is affecting our once famous gritty fighting ability. We are slowly bowing to the rules of the civvies and, in the process, becoming quite soft. I am not aware of many people who are of real promotability being turned down for a PC.....is this just a case of gold digging??

[Art Field]

Extra bit from the Daily Telegraph:. .She had given up a promising career as a trainee bank manager and ended a relationship with her fiance in order to join the RAF. She has since married a 41-year-old RAF wing commander.

[gijoe]

...glad I'll never have to work alongside her. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

[SATCOS WHIPPING BOY]

Was the injury sufficient to prevent her completing IOT or has the person in question survived an entire SSC and reached the rank of Flt Lt without any officer training??. .. .I also wonder if she as ever told any of her subordinates to 'hurry up' or 'get a move on'

[gijoe]

SATCOs WB,. .. .In answer to your question.... .. .Probably more than once, as she sits in her Supply Wing chair, dwelling on what a great leader she is, a supposed leader of men and women, spurred on by her husband who ought to know better, destined to reach Wing Commander rank ( but then the OJAR should address this problem of stating one's eventual rank)...but the real criminals (!) will be the lawyers who put her up to it and advised that she could make a substantial amount of money out of this trainnig mishap.. .. .Let's face it, all of us that have been through this sort of training regime could see how it could happen, and how that most of us with pride, loyalty, a spine etc would get on and serve. . .. .As my last post said, I'm only glad I will never serve with.... . . . <small>[ 29 March 2002, 23:21: Message edited by: gijoe ]</small>

[KD]

Was at IOT around that time . . . .. .. .LMF . Lots of it going around.. .. .People on MASH who couldn`t run / do PT etc but could dance the night away in Ritzy !. .. .Don`t get me wrong . Lots of genuine cases too . Lots not . They all know what side they were on . . . .. .

[Toddington Ted]

I once had the great misfortune to be serving at the same RAF Station (but not the same unit) as this person when she was undergoing her initial specialist training (scribbling). Fortunately I only met her once but it was enough to convince me that she should not have been in the RAF at all, never mind being a commissioned officer. I also seem to remember that her father seemed to have a lot to do with all the faff that seemed to surround her. Having just seen a programme called the Trench on BBC2 just now, I find it hard to believe that such people as her should complain about anything. All this does is make more bad feeling when we do not need it!

[SATCOS WHIPPING BOY]

GIJOE. .. .Well said me old.. .. .As for the lawyers being the ones that put her up to it. It would not surprise me in the least if it turns out that 'daddy' is a lawyer and that had some influence on the case from the start.. .. .WORK HARD, PLAY HARD AND GET C**K ALL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> . .C**K UP, BLAME SOMEONE ELSE AND GET £200k <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .I wonder what I could get if I sued over having to swim the River Dart, in January, for no apparent reason............Now there's a thought <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

[Mr C Hinecap]

Right - totally livid now. I have personal experience of this loser - she was at our Unit to recover & gain more exposure to the RAF - she was under the Physio & the doc, yet the stupid silly girl continued to play squash on a regular basis. I cannot believe through her own perpetuation of an unfortunate injury, she is set to gain a huge pot of cash. Friends were there at the time of the accident - girls are advised to wear low-heeled court shoes, not high heels - she was teetering. Also behind time & had to hurry because her excrement was not in 1 personal hoeisery (sp?) item. I know we got a lot of crud at IOT, but did it ever weigh up to 80 lbs??? She arrived at the said holding unit and had removed her white hatband and was wearing Fg Off slides - as a holding CADET. Says more than words that did. SOMEBODY SEDATE ME BEFORE I HUNT HER DOWN!!! AAaarrrghhhhhh!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" />

[gijoe]

SATCO's WB, . .. .If you do your time, get paid to have a (generally) good time in interesting places, do your 16/22 (as applicable), you'll be able to hold your head up high and say you did it well...she won't!. .. .Superstacker - did your 'statement of fact' about playing squash whilst undergoing treatment come out during the said proceedings ? Was this against medical advice ? What other physical activities did she undertake whilst possibly not supposed to ? Did she go on any expeditions whilst holding with you ? . .. .See my point ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

[WE Branch Fanatic]

This just makes my blood boil....

I see no need to discuss this "Officer"'s stupidity, high heels etc. But to sue the MOD for what sounds like pretty trivial injury that was a consequence of one's own actions.....what the hells going on

The lawyers should be rounded up by the Rockapes, Snowcaps or MOD Plod and SHOT.

I despair that anyone with that sort of mentality is able to get into the Armed Forces at all, let alone as an Officer.

As somebody who failed the selection to be an Officer (Navy in my case, and no, not as aircrew) I feel extremely angry that persons like that get through, but I didn'tGRRRRRRRRR!!!

[gijoe]

WE,. .. .Don't you believe it ! I am slightly ( no,more than slightly ) concerned that this 'trickle' of claims will turn into a torrent over the next few years. The selection system let HM the Queen down in granting said person a commission.. .. .Why am I concerned ? Well, it will be me stepping into the breech as an OC in the next couple of years and, at the moment, I am not convinced that the system ( ie the MOD) is behind me. Worrying ? Yes. . .. .How do you calculate the risks of attacking a cave in Afghanistan where the enemy has been digging for the last 20 years when you are worried that one of your 'colleagues-in-arms' might sue you for a decision that didn't quite work out as you expected? . .. .An exaggeration? Most definitely...but the seeds of doubt are there. . .. .Anyway, why didn't she just take her high heels off and step on it across the Parade Square in her tights/stockings? That would have shown some gumption, a bit of initiative...and got her there on time! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

[WE Branch Fanatic]

GIJOE

I share your concerns. I will be joining in May, though not with a commision......yet...

I to have suffered from poor decisions I made, things I neglected to do etc. Am I going to sue the MOD? No, of course not. I could make a case that I failed the AIB because they made me do leadership tasks and I underestimated my lack of leadership. But hey.....thats life. I should have done more things to prepare in the years before.

Have a rant, figure out how to either solve the problem or at least get SOMETHING out of it, then get on with it.

[norfolkandgood]

It does not surprise me that she was out playing squash while trying to claim she was injured (LMF springs to mind). Since not less than 7 months after the parade square fall she was in France skiing at Her Majesty's (Taxpayers) expense. Looks like she has cost the taxpayer a bit more now!

[SET 18]

Well, having been away for a few days, I was none-the-less very interested to see what the ppruners would have thought about this tale on my return from the hot place.

I had the fortune to learn several things about this case as I was at Cranwell at the time. Her father is (so I was told) an ex WO and indeed is much the driving force behind her claim.

one of the issues which was seriously questioned at the time was how on earth the RAF could justify "graduating" her from IOT

[SET 18]

I don't know how on earth that post was submitted in mid-write, so I will just continue...(blo%%y new software)

Anyway, as I said we were very concerned at Cranwell about the fact that she was going to be turned out onto the RAF without any formal training.

One paricular concern was that she would, presumably, be writing the reports of airman her junior. What if one of these airman wished to complain about her recommendation or her narrative? Where would the RAF stand in admitting that it had placed her in this position of authority and rank without any formal training? This would open up a can of worms which would have negative impact on many aspects of the Service.

In addition, I understand that she behaved excrutiatingly embarrasingly at her first dining-in-night. A birthday toast to her then boyfriend arranged with the bandmaster before the loyal toast. (of course he was the PMC at the time)

How can the RAF now justify suspending anyone from IOT when she has proved that the entire process could be adjudged to be unecessary? Surely there are lots of chopped ex-cadets out there who are now in a position to sue too?

The whole debacle is an embarrasment to my Service and I could complain about many aspects of it all day.

The thing that rankles me most (and I know lots of others too) is that the law now appears to have no common sense. How on earth can a magistrate or judge not look at this on its lack of merit and dismiss it? The idea of an award for her makes me sick to my stomach.

For God's sake someone please appeal and get this ridiculous judgement overturned. Surely, somewhere up the line common sense will prevail. I fear that if the RAF does not fight it tooth and nail, then every other loser out there will take it as an invitation to sue too.

Like may others before me, I shall stop now before I explode in a rage......

[BEagle]

Having absolutely no knowledge of this situation myself, are you really saying that:

1. The initial injury was probably caused by the cadet's failure to wear the correct footwear as instructed.

2. The cadet was witnessed participating in physical sporting activities despite this injury.

3. The cadet did not complete Initial Officer Training yet was awarded the Queen's Commission.

4. The cadet was witnessed wearing rank insignia to which she was not entitled.

5. The officer acted in a manner contrary to the traditions of the Service at a Dining-In Night.

6. The officer has since been promoted to the rank of Flt Lt.

Or is this just some April Fools' Day spoof?? Please tell me that it is and you're just having us on................

[bighedsmallface]

Many of my fellow recent graduees have said they felt their commission to less of an acheivement because of the calibre of some of those also on the Orange that day. Perhaps a little less tolerance of fools is required at IOT.

[gijoe]

BEagle,

Your post alludes to exactly what I was trying to get out of PPruners who know/knew this fine upstanding lady.

Why was the fact that she played squash, went skiing etc not brought out during the legal events ? Her injury obvioulsy hampered her sporting career...

We must remember that HM Forces does not always employ the best legal personnel in the world ( they are all in London doing other things) whereas the other party has free choice to hire whoever they wish !! (...and , yes, I do have experience on both side of the fence) :D

If her father put her up to it then my doubts about 55 year old WOs will be confirmed once again. Despite not wanting to get into the inter service age regulations debate once again, they always appear to be more trouble than good. Turned down for commissioning maybe, chip on shoulder perhaps ?? Who knows...

Anyway, standby for the next big payouts by MOD plc for the young lady officers who wear green...and end uphaving relationships with guys that perhaps they shouldn't. That's going to be another cracker that the MOD coughs up for...

:cool:

[BEagle]

gijoe - I have no personal knowledge of the events referred to by others in this thread. My post merely summarised allegations made above and sought clarification.

Please tell me that it's just a spoof......

[Spur Lash]

The father, according to the Telegraph, served in the upper echelons of the Fire Service.

[cloudybeer]

I wonder what kind of footwear she's been wearing for the last 7 years... you can bet your boots that it hasn't been the issue universally unflattering flat lace-ups. No 5's look so fantastic with them, such lovely evening shoes... the issue patent ones would surely aggravate such a terrible injury?

[doh-nut boy]

I like High heels and think they should be made compulsory.

Hoping the modern armed forces will take a more modern approach to cross dressing.

[Captain Kirk]

Infuriating, to say the least. However, a tale of honour and wisdom to provide a little message of cheer.

T, a fellow IOT cadet was destined to become a rock but, during those Cranwell days, struck his closest bonds with aspiring pilots and realized that he was in the wrong branch. He attempted to transfer but was denied - his success at Catterick would be blazing a trail in the EO world that the PR men were already salivating over. Very sadly, there were prejudiced parties at Catterick that were determined that he would fail. In brief, he smiled back at everything that was thrown at him, took all the stick and always bounced back. Ultimately, the only way to stop him graduating was to leave him in a trench until he succumbed to frostbite. Not some feint of injury but full on losing of all of his toes (and nearly fingers).

The upshot was that this young man was no longer medically fit to be a rock….but there was no reason that he could not transfer to be a pilot. This he did and excelled, reaching the front line as a single seat FJ mate and having the last laugh over all the ignorant bigots at Catterick (at that time) that would only ever grovel in the mud.

T left the Service a few years ago but never took legal proceedings, recognizing that where his life had taken him was a direct result of all the experiences, bad as well as good, which had gone before him.

Draw your own conclusions but I am proud to have served alongside T and I continue to work with dedicated professional that motivate me to give my all in return. The subject officer of this thread (and the small minded little men of Catterick) will never have a fraction of the moral courage or life satisfaction of T.

[solotk]

This is just taking the ****.
I find it hard to believe, that Crabair tolerate this kind of thing. In civvy street, any decent lawyer would have had a field day over this, and she would have been out on her arse, day 2, never mind being able to complete an ICT course, and reach Flight-Lt rank.

It's incredible, we have girlies who suffer from injuries, including one female, who suffered a severe ankle injury under an 80lb Bergan. She elected to have her ankle strapped, swallowed army smarties and carried on, and most of our females have the same sort of guts.

This waste of skin incenses me, or maybe it's just that the RAF is a soft touch? I seem to remember a female FJ mate who completed her training, bags of PR as first Female Fighter Jockette, and promptly got pregnant. YiPee. I seem to remember other cases too, revolving around pregnancy.

:mad:

[robspottydog]

Sadly, decent legal staff don't seem to join the armed forces, therefore we are on the back foot to start with. In the pesent climate, the armed forces are **** scared of anyone with a decent lawyer and a case against them.

This female has obviously embarrassed everyone bar herself, if what has been said is true, regarding participation in activity precluded by her 'injury', shouldn't those who have witnessed these things come forward? Name and shame - go on!

If only we could get our thumb out of our 4ss, hire a decent legal team and countersue for fraud!

Kirk, I had the pleasure of meeting T quite a few years ago - what a top chap.

[gijoe]

SH - Isn't it amazing what a bit of vaseline smeared over a camera lens can do for a woman?

A 'friend' of mine in the know ( a genuine one working in the realms of the Innsworth/Kentigern House mould) has told me that the MOD will settle out of court for anything less than £100K. They have worked out that it is too expensive to waste time discussing anything less and will settle on the steps of the court if necessary.

So...we should all put our high heels on, get the RSM to shout at us across the square, trip over...and put in for our share of the handouts. £99,999 should do it.

Alternatively the MOD should stiffen up a little and stop embarrassing all of us that don't want HM Forces to proceed any further down this line.

[BEagle]

It's amazing what a smear of Vaseline will do full stop!!

[Mmmmnice]

Sounds to me like she would have gone way past Wg Cdr with her obvious ability to "play the system" - on balance I guess that, whatever it costs, we in the firm are getting the better deal - keep ****ers like this in the outside world - mine's a large one Mathilda

[Mr C Hinecap]

BEagle - really sorry to confirm the bad news - this oxygen thief story is pukka gen - I knew the sad bint and can confirm - sadly - all the things posted. Believe her father is a retired senior fireman, looking out for his little girl and her poorly leg.

It STILL grips me - oh, believe she is married to a senior officer type too. AAaarrghhhhh - somebody restrain me!.:mad:

[doh-nut boy]

mmmmmmmmmmm......... heeels............vaseline..............mmmmmmmm

[cloudybeer]

Are you sure you're not OC S & M somewhere Doh Nut Boy?



(Supply & Movements just in case you were wondering ):D

[doh-nut boy]

Can be anything i m wanted to be so long as the money is right.

[BEagle]

And I thought you were tweaking my tadger about this! Good grief - how ever did this affair (or should that be affaire?) ever get to this stage?

Perhaps one solution would be to send this cadet Flt Lt back to Cranwell to complete IOT - if she passes then OK, if not then it's goodbyee, don't cryeee......

[FlapsOne]

Perhaps we should just hope that some 'responsible' journalist picks up this thread and decides to try and make a headline.

Then again, that might mean reporting facts that are in the public interest...........which could be a challenge!

Don't suppose she had an affair with an unknown footballer by any chance?

[Ralf Wiggum]

Ladies. Know your limits!

[gijoe]

She might not know any footballers...but her injury hasn't stopped her from becoming a table dancer !

Where are all the journos when you want them to spread a good rumour ?

:D

[bad livin']

If the "lady" in question is who I think it is, the table has yet to be built that would take the job on.

[solotk]

So to add insult to injury she's a fc****g fat minger too?

Brilliant, hand me my Browning Perkins, I'm going to do the decent thing....

Have any of you fellows written a "P*ss Off, strong letter follows..." to your MP's or the Press lately?

Civilian insurance companies, spend a lot of money investigating claims like these, and this is just incredible. God alone knows how other females in the Air Force feel. We showed this to our females, and the general concensus, was she wanted her fat **** kicking, and a Bergan Run would have sorted the issue out once and for all.

Get real, the cow joined airworks, to get herself a real live FJ mate, she got one, she didn't fancy airworks any more, tis simple no?

Fcu*ing Oxygen and Ration thief....:mad: :mad: :mad:

(Edited for fcuk all)

[stephen.mullins]

I remember reading the story in the daily mail, its infuriating but reminds me of a recent story placed in the Exeter echo, along the same lines but concerning the Marines. One local boy fell from the thirty foot ropes whilst wearing 32lbs of kit, (full fighting order) and now he and several others, are being led, I mean advised by a lowlife, sorry lawyer and are suing the mod for damages.

First of all, the drop wearing that amount of kit motivated me not to let go of the rope, along with a desire to get through it all, as did all my troop. I firmly believe that when you pick your branch you take your chance, what did he expect a walk in the park, trainings tough and is meant to be.

We can only be glad (like some else has already posted) that people like these, (and there will be many more) are either out or on their way out. You can only imagine their embarrassing behaviour when the brown stuff really hits the fan.

Of course Mrs soon be ex RAF is happy, anybody would be with 200,000 nicker in their back pocket. Good riddens.

[getout773]

Just a thought, the military have for years been getting away with abusing people and treating them in a very shabby manner, especially in training. The only way to stop this is to sue, not because in it’s self suing is right but because money is all these people understand.

:confused:

[lightbob]

There seems to be a common thread in all these cases of 'being forced to leave the service early because of..' Everyone seems to assume/state that they are going to get promoted to Wg Cdr/Lt Col etc just because they will do the time. It's hard enough for the rest of us, doing a full career with all the Op tours etc, to reach those heady heights. The chances of promotion are slim but the courts don't seem to accept that the dice are loaded. The only rank you could assume will come with the rations is Sqn Ldr/Maj, but then the lawyers have to get their cut!

[Climebear]

Just another symptom of the world we live in. I hope she can face her troops and tell them that they will live in a shabby barrack block for another few years because she has just scooped the money for being f***ing stupid.

Military training is designed to produce individuals that are mentally and physically tough to cope with operations. Admittedly, some training is tougher that others to suit the requirements of the organization. Things have been off the rails. I started my military career with infantry training at the Rifle Depot in Winchester in the early-80s in the bad old days of bullying. While I would not wish to envisage a return to these regimes, the discipline did produce soldiers that could do what was ordered of them under fire. I think we have just about got in right (with some exceptions). Wingers like these only assist the liberal cause to produce fluffy armed forces that look nice but can't fight there way out of a paper bag.

Though it pains me to say it, this is not the fault of RAF lawyers. MOD Claims use civvy (cheap) lawyers to defend these cases.

[doh-nut boy]

if she is a big fat minger, dont fret fellas I'll have a do on her. Whoever said the AAC had no gentlemen within its ranks

[rotor tree]

shame to hear she is ginger - it would be much more apt if it was a blonde who was incapable of running in shoes, especially if she was trying to talk at the same time!

[Mr C Hinecap]

She is not actually red of hair, but brunette. Guys, I know moose hunting is in season, but she was, at the time, fit enough to pass the phyz side of things. Believe LMF & a massive shortage of common sense were main failings. Stupid girl - bet a good ND would have cost less & been easier to cover up - the fields round Cranwell are big enough for a few wasters to be lost forever.....

This STILL makes me MAD!!!!:mad:

[solotk]

Well as she doesn't seem to be able to run very far, then we won't have to lead her so much...:D

Could always make it sporting, say in a Hawk, with the driver blindfolded and the ballast calling distance and windage to the target, I bet she wouldn't have much trouble with her sodding ankle then :mad:

Tony

[SirToppamHat]

I wonder whether this individual might consider donating some of her ill-gotten gains to the works servs budget at her current unit - sure could do with it down at the gym, where the changing rooms have holes in the walls and the newly re-opened astro is as uneven and dangerous as ever. Then again, perhaps she's not medically fit enough to use the s*** facilities that are seen across the Service these days.

Does anyone know if the Service is appealing the case? Heard from close source that the only reason she was allowed to grad in the first place was that Daddy threatened to sue if she didn't. Well that's another great decision that's bitten us in the a**e

:mad:

[Mowgli]

How could she win a case like this with so much evidence that she was able to play squash etc. How can she have graduated without completing the course? Have the people in charge become scared of doing anything like making sensible decisions and standing up for priciples which are the bedrock of any organisation worth its salt? Are they too afraid of lawyers? If "their" lawyers are smart, why don't the MOD get smart too, and get some decent lawyers and start fighting back?


Like Capt Kirk on page 2, I knew T and served with him. There's an example of a man who had every reason to sue the organisation but who chose instead to make the most of the opportunity that his situation offered him, and he prospered from it. Having lost your toes to frostbite is extremely serious, and I remember how much he suffered in the cold when we were on exercise in N Norway in the arctic circle, but he didn't complain, and he will have that for the rest of his life.


I really thought this story was a wind up when I started reading it. It would have been a good one too. It is pants, and that woman should be made to do IOT or be given her marching orders.

[G.Khan]

Since the 200K she is supposed to receive is public money then do the public not have the right to expect an appeal, given all the evidence available to suggest she is pulling a fast one?
The decision to appeal should not be left with the service, (any service), it should be taken by someone who is aware of where the money has to come from and whose job it is to protect that money - am I wrong?:mad:

[RubiC Cube]

Is there any truth in the rumour that she is aready going to another industrial tribunal because the RAF won't offer her a PC?:confused:

[Mike RO'Channel]

I am a latecomer to this thread but I am totally amazed by the claims made by colleagues of this Ms Burns. If only half of the statements turn out to be true, then I too would add my voice to calls for 'appeal'/video referee. Does anyone know of moves being made in this direction?
Also, I would hope that some of those decent peeps who have posted on this thread would volunteer their information to the correct bods at DLS under oath. That erstwhile bastion of 'Laura Norder' must get this one right for the sake of decency and what little honour is left within the Services.

Thinks:

Isn't it a civil offence to impersonate an Officer of HM Services?

Conversely, there used to be a QR against 'bringing the RAF into disrepute'.

Either way, if an appeal fails, she is guilty of either (or even both) of the above.

I, for one, am ashamed to wear the same colour of uniform as this cadet 'officer'.

[cloudybeer]

Rubic.

Had heard the rumour. Just hope that it's not true as she doesn't really have a leg to stand on!!:D

[STANDTO]

I drove across the orange in my Fiat Strada once and got away with it.

Do I win five pounds?

[dazbo]

As 'Reviewing Officer' on practice Grad parade stood up in back of Escort Cabrio weraing Irvine jacket, chip bag and brandishing shield and asegi as he was driven through the ranks.

College WO's face was a picture -:eek: - especially when he saw the skid marks on the Orange

RO's escorts looked good in webbing, miniskirts and 'I attended IOT' t-shirts:rolleyes:

[STANDTO]

Perhaps we should start a new thread." Things I did around cranditz and got away with"

how about a grad ball I attended where my graduating pal says "here, hold this a minute" (champagne glass before you start). Minutes later reappears outside the front of CHOM in a red XR3.
Notwithstanding the drink drive angle..........

or what about the Mini in the Rotunda story - true or urban myth?

[cheapseat]

Things I did at Cranditz and got away with:

How about;

Did the three-day selection bit, found the rest a bit tricky so didn’t/ couldn’t do it, got Queens commission.
:o

[nutmeg]

I too am a late reader of this story and am utterly amazed by this girls stupidity! One response asked how other females in the RAF felt about her actions... Completly gob smacked! I am aware of at least 5 stories involving obviously less significant injuries, such as my own broken pelvis. Did I or the other cadets sue? Of course we bloody well didn't! Getting better, proving we really could complete IOT and earn our commission, teamed with a bit of acceptance that sometimes 'these things happen' and nobody is to blame, all came into play. So we got on with it and were on that Grad parade in our own right.

How can she hold her head up and wear a uniform? Unfortunately, this is an example of the military at its' worst.

Just outof interest, does anybody know where this cadet is pretending to serve at the moment? If so, it would be interesting to post her reaction to reading the responses from the real members of the RAF. Maybe somebody should press the print button and send these pages to her?

[Archimedes]

Her lawyer would probably say that constitutes harrassment and lead to another day in court to protest that the nasty, nasty air force wasn't protecting her from her nasty, spiteful colleagues...:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[bad livin']

Nutmeg, think I might know you...get that pelvis injury on FLC by any chance? If it's you I hope you are well. Drop me an email if you're who I think you are!

rgds

[nutmeg]

Bad Livin. Not sure if I am the one!! There were a few of us around with similar injuries. I suspect I am not - I went through IOT in the days of Camp one, your reference to FLC puts you in a different generation!!!

[bad livin']

Ooops! Sorry ma'am...

:D :D

[bigley]

I fell over wearing high heels during IOT and didn't get a penny (laddered my tights too!).

And as for you nutmeg, join the nineties granma!!!:D

[NEZ]

Like everyone else, I agree this one is a ****ing disgrace. But lets face it its the RAF that got itself in this mess. Should have booted her during IOT.

But what I need to know, does anyone know the name of the lawyers she used. I would be glad of the help. Thanx!

[WE Branch Fanatic]

Lawyers?

Shotgun, B'std and Dribble I expect.:D

[flyboy007]

OOOOHHHHHHH what a shocker. Obviously she has the intelligence and integrity of a small woodland creature (no slur on small woodland creatures).
Disappointing it didn't come out about the skiing, squash playing etc. at the court case, or if it did, it cant have had much effect. Maybe the judge was having gin with the father or something at lunchtime. And another thing, does a supplyo really need a top notch ankle anyway (with all due respect to supply o's). Wouldnt have thought it stopped her doing her job?
On the brightside, better to get rid of her now than risk her actually managing to kiss her way up thru the ranks.

I wonder how many of her family it takes to change a lightbulb.......depends on how many people she has to stand on to get to the top i s'pose.:mad:

[Kiting for Boys]

No D Notice, any Journalist out there?

Mr. Evans: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence if a D Notice has been issued in respect of Flight-Lieutenant Deborah Burns, Royal Air Force. [102568]

Mr. Spellar: The six standing Defence Advisory Notices are concerned with matters of national security, and are not issued in response to individual cases. No Notice has been issued therefore, nor invoked, in respect of Flight-Lieutenant Burns.