CX Redundancies

[badairsucker]

This unfortunate rumour is still doing the rounds, despite our firm rebuttal last month, so I will say it again – there is no plan for mass redundancies within the Cathay Pacific Group! We have gone to great lengths to keep the team together and it would not make much sense to break up the team at a time when it seems our business may be turning for the better.


SCMP today, 53 redundancies announced from CX.

[AD POSSE AD ESSE]

TONY THE LIAR living up to his reputation!!:yuk:

What a snake..

[bubble.head]

53 sacked?! What implication does that have on the Cadet down in FTA in Australia? Last I have heard, there's 20+ cadet down there still doing their training.

[HotDog]

[QUOTE]What implication does that have on the Cadet down in FTA /QUOTE]

None whatsoever, it seems.

Fifty-three employees in Cathay Pacific Airways (SEHK: 0293)' information management department will be made redundant in the coming months. A company spokesman said most of them had strengths and backgrounds that did not match the skills and backgrounds needed as part of a restructuring programme. They will receive redundancy packages exceeding those required by law, Cathay said.

[ron burgandy]

Bubble Head (in arse)

There are more than just pilots employed at CX:ugh:

[bubble.head]

ron burgandy,

Oops. I must have been mistaken and went to the Professional Management Rumour Network. How silly of me to thought of such absurd mindset!

[iceman50]

badairsucker

Perhaps you should read the information on the company website before shooting from the hip.:ugh:

bubble.head

I thought we professionals were supposed to gather information before carrying out any actions / opening mouth!:rolleyes:

Glass half empty guys!

[badairsucker]

iceman,

Wind your neck in.

Posting facts is hardly shooting from the hip now is it...maybe you should take on some of your own advice.:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

[iceman50]

badairsucker

As you are happy to quote the "company", then quote the SCMP perhaps you should also have quoted the company again concerning these redundancies!

You have obviously read the companies missive concerning publishing company information on a public website!:D

[badairsucker]

Iceman,

now you seem to be a very simple person, my thread is simple, cx said no layoffs and now they have laid off 53 people.

No matter how much spin or perfect presentation of my threads you would like to see the management have lied again. Not sure what you are bleeting at but I only posted a simple fact, something you can't grasp.

I hope they don't let you fly planes!!!!!!!

[Fly747]

They didn't lie, they said no mass redundancies!

[The Messiah]

Quite right they never said no layoffs at all, just no mass redundancies. You're right badair, it is pretty simple but it seems to have got you all confused.

[badairsucker]

They didn't lie, they said no mass redundancies! Quite right they never said no layoffs at all, just no mass redundancies.


OK smart arse,

What's your definition of redundancies as opposed to MASS redundancies?????

[The Messiah]

I don't have one you need to ask CX. At a guess I wouldn't call 53 out of all the staff CX employs as MASS, would you?

[badairsucker]

I guess it wasn't a MASS firing of 51 pilots then, was it.:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Bla Bla Bla]

Listen to you lot, its like a bunch of children arguing over jelly beans!

[badairsucker]

Bla Bla,

I agree,

It's amazing how people want to correct someone's spelling, punctuation and the way a post is presented etc.

I'll bow out of this one.

[el commandante]

I must say I'm with badairsucker on this. It's just how you put it, 53 from the IT department is a mass, out of 10000 not. It's just how you see it.

[F_one]

It's still a shattering experience or those 51.....

[yokebearer]

I know how many make up a "Mass" - just as many months as there are in " approximately 18 "

Ask any SO if you don't get this.....

[2longhk]

Pilots only thinking of number one again. So stupid they believe the bs when it suits.
Oh, really, the IMT people that are being FIRED are really wanting to explore other avenues in this down market. wtf.
Grow up. 53/300 is fairly massive

[404 Titan]

2longhk

You are quite correct. As far as I’m concerned more than one redundancy is a mass redundancy. I too could also see the BS given to staff for the redundancy of the 53 IT staff. It had all the spin of a politician trying to sell us a new tax.

[Bye Bye Baby]

In a recent court case the Hon J Re**s stated on page 32
" In effect, both at trial and in the comments of MR Ty**r and Mr C**n at the time of the mass dismissal..........."
So it appears that the Hon Judge considers the number 49 to be MASS, so one must conclude that 53 is also MASS.
Sorry Tony you lie to us again, you c**t.

[iflyplanes]

so much for keeping the team together! why would we believe anything they say.

[Avius]

Not intending to add fuel to the fire here, but to assume, that any management enjoys to impose redundancies is simply a fallacy.

This is a case of restructuring and anyone, who understands a little about IT and computers knows that the IT world is moving at a breathtaking pace. IT staff are required to keep up to speed with the changes in order to remain competitive.

Many years ago, the mainframe specialists were highly paid positions and many of those specialists would frown on anything that did not have the word "IBM mainframe" in it. In those days, it was easily possible for one individual to understand an entire enterprise computer system. But this is a long distant past.

In today's world of distributed computing, the complexities have increased remarkably and today's IT staff needs to have an entirely different mindset, than it had just a decade ago.

I don't know the circumstances of this particular restructuring, but my suspicion is (based on former extensive IT experience as Manager), that those that were willing/able to adapt and commit to acquire the necessary skills would have been just fine. Unfortunately some just can't or more likely don't want to change.

We all know, that some of the former "classic" cockpit pilots had a difficulty to adjust to glass cockpits. Most did, but some just retired by choice or elected to work as contractors. This is really the same. We all can complain about progress, but no matter what we say or do, we will not be able to stop it. It is just the way - evolution.

Again, not wanting to upset anyone here, as I too feel for those who have to leave. It if is of any comfort, unlike us pilots, they will be able to move laterally into a new positions with pretty much the same pay - or perhaps better.

After all there are infinitely more IT jobs out there then pilot jobs.

Cheers

[rick.shaw]

Avius. Quite right. No one likes redundancies - management included. IT is an ever changing field. I think one of the problems in this case is that management came out to squash rumours of mass redundancies just a matter of days before the IT department rehash resulted in 50 odd redundancies. Hmmmm. Does it hinge on the meaning of the term 'mass'? I think the management just showed how stupid they think staff are - again.

Edited to add the word 'again' at the end.

[Cpt. Underpants]

rick

I think it's more a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.

Do remember the fiasco of the 743's coming back from a multi-million dollar refit and refurbishment "ready to deliver another decade of service" to CX only to be IMMEDIATELY leased to Pakistan?

The 772's "have to go"...

Sending the BCF's to the desert only to be told that we have an unprecedented demand for freight?

The 49'er fiasco?

etc., etc., etc.

[The Messiah]

After reading some well thought out posts, and I stress the word some, yes I now agree that the 53 are a mass redundancy.

[geh065]

Have any of you actually tried dealing with the chaps in the IT department? Whereas I do not wish for anyone to lose their jobs, I think the department will benefit from a bit of an overhaul.

[Glass Half Empty]

does that mean all the broken links within intracx will be sorted out now?

[broadband circuit]

does that mean all the broken links within intracx will be sorted out now?

You're a funny guy!

[Air Profit]

Maybe CX will go to a proper web based system at last....like the rest of the airline industry. :confused:

[rick.shaw]

Capt Underpants. In many cases I would agree with you. However, in this case I can't. If whoever 'quashed' the rumour of mass redundancies didn't know about a significant number(50+) of redundancies in fact pending, then they either shouldn't be in the job or were simply lying. You make the judgement on that one.

Whether or not it can be defined as a mass redundancy or not, it is most certain a significant number of redundancies. I don't like how management play on words - just like the definition of 'normally' or 'roster disruption' in our contracts.

[Cpt. Underpants]

Agreed.

...or "as may be amended from time to time."

Drives me nuts.