Awesome Video

[AnQrKa]

YouTube - Landing in typhoon no 8 (HKG) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeldfK6TeQM&feature=related)

[Dan Winterland]

Good effort.

[Zapatas Blood]

Good effort???????????????

WTF. That was close to a pod strike.

Is that a good effort.

What do they put in the water up there in HKG, testosterone?

[fatbus]

Well if you have ever flown a340/330 you would know that was in fact a good job.

[mr Q]

Next time the shooter might skip the shots -at a critical stage of the landing- of the vehicle's metal pillars !!!!!!
excellent airmanship all the same

[bubble.head]

I like this video better...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmT1MbhyBZE&feature=related

:E

[Zapatas Blood]

ahhhh, a good job. maybe.

But following a bad decision.

Probably.

Cathay jets and tin sheds huh.

Give it the spurs chuck.

[Flying Bagel]

ahhhh, a good job. maybe.

But following a bad decision.

Probably.

Cathay jets and tin sheds huh.

Give it the spurs chuck.


That's like saying you're a crap armchair pilot who's never flown in any weather other than the Microsoft variety.

Probably.

[Zapatas Blood]

Fatbus,

Yep, been there, done that, flown various wide busses over the years. But CX is kinda known for cowboy ops during typhoons. always get in, first out etc. Anything to trump the opposition huh. I remember pissing myself laughing in TPE one day checking the ops folk from the pub during an 8 and they said only CX and KA were operating, all others cancelled. Typical.

Bagel,

Yep, ok, if that makes you feel comfortable that the only differing opinion from yours is a non pilot then relax. Im just a kid with a keyboard. Feel better?

[stilton]

And yet somehow 'ZB' Cathay have gone for decade after decade without a fatal accident.



The highest standards of training, proficiency and experience are what makes a difference.



Suggest you head back to the pub for a few more laughs..

[404 Titan]

Zapatas Blood
But CX is kinda known for cowboy ops during typhoons. always get in, first out etc. Anything to trump the opposition huh. I remember pissing myself laughing in TPE one day checking the ops folk from the pub during an 8 and they said only CX and KA were operating, all others cancelled.
It might have been that way 20 years ago buddy but not now. There are very defined limits to what we will operate in which are very conservative and in most cases Line Ops and IOC will make the decision for us well before we get to or depart from HK or other out ports. Through experience they have figured it cheaper and more efficient to preplan all the necessary diversions, position replacement crews and once the weather clears resume the operation with minimal disruption compared to having aircraft diverting left right and centre.

As for your “Cow Boy” comment, you obviously haven’t ever worked here because if you had you would realise how SOP driven this place is.

[Dynasty Trash Hauler]

Arghh, almost fell off me perch when this one rolled in,

"The highest standards of training, proficiency and experience are what makes a difference."

Ya reckon. Thats what they tell you is it?

And

"And yet somehow 'ZB' Cathay have gone for decade after decade without a fatal accident."

Yep, CX really has departed from the norms of flight safety with "we must be doing something right cos we aint pranged......up until this point"

Awesome.

[LongTimeInCX]

As 404 said, IOC sometimes make the decision for us, that is really more to do with if the aircraft will be scheduled to land somewhere else rather than having a crack at a #8 signal all across that finely situated airport of ours next to the mountains. They can schedule it where they like, but it's our decision where we land. Likewise, they may recommend a certain fual load, but we decide how much gas we actually take for such conditions.

There are numerous occasions where the company just expect you to have a go, safe in the knowledge, that if you as crew throw it away at 50 feet or 5000 feet and divert, then that is our decision as crew and would have been done because it was beyond aircraft, personal or sensible limits. I have never been questioned on my decisions in cases like that.

I would never be so brave to say that some people have never pressed beyond the sheepskin gripping phase through what may have looked like marginal conditions. But, in their defence, we all know preceding and following traffic can experience significantly different conditions within the space of a few minutes. Similarly, different people have significantly varying levels of experience in those conditions coupled with different comfort zone levels can produce different decisions as to whether to land, g/a or not even bother starting an approach.

I certainly wouldn't be judging the bloke on the basis of one poor quality video.

Likewise, although the CX accident record has been good, there are a number of holes in the swiss cheese. Constant firefighting(changing SOP's) is an attempt to prevent them lining up, but again there is a feeling, it is only a matter of time.

For once, I hope the near future will prove me wrong.

[Dan Winterland]

Dynasty Trash Hauler from Taipei. Let me guess, you work for China Airlines.

What's the safety record like in your airline? Please remind me.






As a trained Flight Safety Officer and now working for one of the aforementioned ''Cowboy outfits'', I would say the safety culture in both is excellent. More to the point, I'm also a captain with one of them. I do operate in Typhoon conditions and I don't take risks with the aircraft, the passengers, or more to the point, my own life!

[neville_nobody]

Guys the winds aren't that bad......28 kt crosswind is tricky but not extreme. The crew did a good job getting it on relatively smoothly. Have a look at some of the Wellington Videos for some real action.

[holdmetight]

a job well done! :ok:

can someone enlighten me on crosswind limits for wide-body jets? the video title says it was in typhoon 8 conditions, but isn't 28 knots meant to be typhoon 3?

[F_one]

Hoildmetight..

Will have to check on that. But do remember that even in a typhoon 8 it can be straight down the tarmac. So no x-wind component..

Just a tought

btw, max x-wind for A343 on landing is 27kts, gusting 33kts. ONCE AGAIN this is X-wind component and not total wind speed

[Steve the Pirate]

F_One

Have a look at the latest FCOM 3 amendment.

STP

[Michael Hunt]

Jesus Christ Dynasty Trash Hauler, I am assuming "DieNasty" out of beautiful Taoyuan International airport, that's a pretty small glasshouse to be chucking rocks from willy nilly considering CX's last major accident was almost 40 years ago and that was a bomb in a suitcase!

[flynhigh]

I hate to land Flaps 3 in gusty wind. I am sure they were landing flaps 3. at any rate nice job guys....:D

[Bullethead]

I personally think it's a sh!t video! :}

Regards,
BH.

[F_one]

STP,

My apologies for the outdated info. I transferred to the dark side recently. I now fly planes without dinner tables on the flight deck. :{

F1

[Dynasty Trash Hauler]

michael hunt and dan winterland,

No, I dont work for Air China any longer. But I did work for CX for over 20 years many years ago.

Maybe things have changed since I left but most of the faces in management were bnosing back when I was there.

Ironically, CI is more wary of typhoon conditions than CX was when I was there.

As for training standards, have things changed? Does training actually exist these days? Wow, thats progress.

[water check]

why risk it...? no reward when you get in, plenty of trouble if you mess it up.