Army Helicopter Down

[Smoke and Mirrors]

BBC have just reported an Army Helicopter down nr Jonesborough. Anybody got any more info? Thankfully everyone appears to have survived. . .. .<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_1876000/1876178.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_1876000/1876178.stm</a>

[Dunhovrin]

Just 'cos it's NI doesn't mean it's Army. The RAF does more work out here than the AAC.

[Tigs]

Dunhoverin. .They have called our aircraft 'army aircraft' for the last 25 years in NI. Frankly it's something most of us have never bothered about, because it takes the heat off us.

[jiffni]

Dunhovrin - how did you come up with that statement? Hours? I think not. The only score the RAF beat the AAC on in Northern Ireland is the days the aircrew spend out of province due to their 21/7 roster.

[Helmut Visorcover]

Dunhov, poor taste in the circumstance. The only place where jointery really works. You might well bear in mind both the AAC and the crabs 'work in support of the Army' (even though the AAC is Army too). Insecure? If I had a pound for every time someone mistook me for a crab, I'd have a 5 bedroom desres in Chiswick. In those circumstances I just point out I am also a tactical commander as well as a bus driver. Appologies usually come thick and fast from the errant mistaking me for a 'Brylcream boy'.. .. . As a gambit, how exactly do the RAF work harder in the province? We have the same amount of cabs with a third of the man power and twice as many task lines, prey tell your idea of the maths on that one, young pilot officer? (You are aren't you?). I'll not even mention the five commander issue.. .. .As a distraction, good to hear all the Tigers are fine and hope all other peeps are on the mend. Not the best place in the world to fall out of the sky.

[Murphy]

Good to hear the crew and Pax are safe and hopefully on the mend!!!. .. .Helmut, . .Here we go again, must be a new batch of Pilot Officers arrived in the Emerald Toilet.. .. .Dunhoverin', . .I suggest you find someone Experienced to look up to, try and learn from them, and if they don't spout too much ***********('Cos we all do at some time), try to be like them.. . . . <small>[ 17 March 2002, 01:15: Message edited by: Murphy ]</small>

[Hydraulic Palm Tree]

Stop the bickering, anyway Dunhovrin, had chance to wear your DFC recently. Don't suppose it goes with the airline uniform!!. .. . </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">We have the same amount of cabs with a third of the man power and twice as many task lines, prey tell your idea of the maths on that one </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Helmut, nowhere near the truth. Perhaps the 5 Regt anti-Crab/JHF(NI)Indoctrination programme is working too well.. .. .Lots of smoke and mirrors in the AAC Workshops!. .. .HPT

[MightyGem]

I'd blame S & M for this as it was he stated an Army helicopter, when the BBC link clearly states RAF.. .. .Anyway, keep up the inane AAC/RAF banter&gt;. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

[Dunhovrin]

Oops looks like I struck a nerve there then. . .. .HPT: good to hear you mate.. .. .Murphy: And how long have you been in the province then? All day? and the sad thing is I was never a Pilot Officer.... .. .Any Tiger mates reading this who know me of old - please pass on my regards to the crew who look like they made the very best of a very bad situation.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Jiffni - can't see a problem with this 21/7 routine personally.. .. .Apologies for stirring up some JHFNI internecine fighting by asking what seemed a reasonable question. Anyway I thought that with the advent of the JHC all Battlefield Helicopters belonged to HQ Land, so it was an Army helicopter.. .. .Back to the original point - Good to see all are okay, albeit somewhat battered.. .. .S&M

[jiffni]

Dunhovrin - I don't either, I am on it and it works fine for me. My point was that it is one of the few scores that the RAF beat the AAC in, within NI. With over 40 aircraft in NI, the AAC do the most flying. I think Army chaps have a problem with 21/7 for a few reasons. 1. They are not manned correctly to allow their aircrew to be on 21/7. 2. They consider themselves to be soldiers and would not feel comfortable looking over a pint at some other pongo who was actually working for a living. 3. To take one week off in 4 plus take annual leave allowance seems like a lot of time out of province, particularly when drawing NI pay. 4. Within the 'Joint' unit commanded by the Tesco manager there are aircrew on dissimilar systems and no one seems to have the nads to fuze the whole thing together in a JOINT outfit.

[jaffad]

I'd just like to quote acouple of famous people. Firstly "Any fool can be uncomfortable, and there are plenty of fools in the AAC", and secondly "You, Sir, are full of crap now kindly sod off!". The AAC, Absolutely, Awfully Clueless.

[jayteeto]

Dunhoverin, you are a very naughty boy, winding these AAC types up. As mentioned earlier, how is your DFC keeping these days? Chaps, this unlucky so and so has had MORE THAN ONE tail rotor failure in the Reds. Don't fly ****** airways, he's jinxed. PS Gizzajob, I can doo dat!. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

[Always_broken_in_wilts]

Considering this was supposed to be about the well being of the unfortunate crew and pax of a downed miltary helicopter amazing how it has degenrated into a green/blue row.. .. .Murphy young man, you are not fit to lace DH's boots, let alone smart enough to criticise him.. .. .Arrse.......you certainly are if you really believe what you have accused these guys off or perhaps it's just a bit of penis envy.. .. .Jffni you have answered all your own questions fella and all you have done is confirm what those of with a modicum of intelligence already knew......life in the Army sucks, tell me I am wrong!......If your daft enough to put up with a system that is, and always has been, undermanned and over worked then you are a mug. The RAF employs people of all trades and affords them all with the sort of working pattern you seem so envious of. You talk about nads, so why not use yours and do what many of your predeccesors have done and come accross and enjoy a far superior life style than the one you are currently enduring. DH was correct when he said the RAF do more work. You may have more toys in theatre but when a drumstick or it's slightly bigger brother can lift as much as a Wokka or Percy than come back and let us know.. .. .RHL.....spot on!!. .. .Happy Herc Mate.....ex tiger mate 92-94!. .. .all spelling mistakes are "dh" alcohol induced. . . . <small>[ 17 March 2002, 21:26: Message edited by: Always_broken_in_wilts ]</small>

[Chinook]

Boy you guys sure can talk some s%^t!!. .. .How are the crew you morons?. .. .I must have misread the title of this thread, ... should read "JHC Bitch trg". .. .How are ya SH Monkey?

[yellow and black]

Chinook - Thank you for bringing us back to the point. The crew are physically OK. Pax not so good.. . . . <small>[ 17 March 2002, 23:04: Message edited by: yellow and black ]</small>

[Always_broken_in_wilts]

Nice one Chinook, someone mentioned in an earlier post the crew were ok, lets just hope the pax are going to be alright as well. . .. .Nice to see some common sense in here for a change.. .. .Happy Herc Mate. .. .all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced

[BEagle]

Best wishes to all involved for a prompt recovery to full health.. .. .Let's not speculate upon the causes of this accident - leave that to the accident enquiry. But let's hope that the work of the enquiry won't later be overturned by someone unwilling to accept the evidence and findings......

[Tiger_mate]

Jayteeto said:. .. .PS Gizzajob, I can doo dat!. .. .You live too close to YOZZER you do, about 250 yards I believe, and its rubbing off <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

[jiffni]

Beagle - I agree that the board needs to find the cause, but as that is taking nearly 2 years on average, surely it is appropriate that operators of similar kit, in a similar location should seek information, rumours, news etc so they can form their own opinions and perhaps take appropriate action in order that the same does not befall them?. .. .I notice that following an accident/incident on a civilian machine PPrune has all sorts of info to assist nosey blerks like myself but following a military one it is lets all keep quiet. Freedom of speech I say and lets all learn from events that thankfully didnt happen to us.

[jiffni]

Always U/S in wilts - Ah right, we should judge how much work each service does in NI by the size of their equipment, that seems very fair. As to me becoming a crab, I would rather eat my nads than do that. All jobs suck occasionally, and from the crabs I have dealings with on a daily basis, theirs do just as much as the other 2 services. When I am down, my best therapy is chat with Crab SH mates and life just doesnt seem quite so bad afterwards. Thankfully it will get a whole lot better shortly in NI as my fishead comrades are going to be there. Suddenly life gets a whole lot better.. .. .Chinook - You are of course entitled to your opinion, one you put quite eloquently. Here is mine: You are a shining example of what the JHC has achieved towards jointery in its short term in office.. .. .*******lead - Thats very funny, and certainly better than Sorry Im Crap as the anagram of AAC. As to whether I should follow your advice and sod off, Im afraid old chap there is more chance of your world famous chinook expert AVM Day not getting his glass rimmed at the fast approaching 72 wind-up functions. . .. .As to allowing this thread to wander, where in the rules does it state that it is not allowed? Want another thread just for the inter-service banter?

[jiffni]

.... your not singing anymore .....

[Dunhovrin]

jffni - I think they're not singing anymore because they've all stacked to the pub. I guess you're the only one around who does any real work. If you call spending all day over Holy Cross work.. .. .To the rest: Thanks for the back-up chaps.. .. .Finally, I still stand by what I said back at the top: It was an RAF crew that sorted things out (whatever the cause) and be it kg, pax, nm or all of the above the RAF does more in NI than the AAC.. .. .Anyway must go - off to JFK for a couple of days 'work'.

[Big Green Arrow]

Jffni, or Sniffni?. .. .I thought you had already eaten your nads....or was that the mrs?

[I.N. Balance]

ARSSE,. .. .You are not on the Inquiry are you, per chance?! "Puma too fast downwind etc etc sounds familiar". . .. .INB

[Jointery Boy]

Why fight SAFRAC and Sinn Fein when we can fight ourselves ??. .Anyone check out <a href="http://www.safrac.com" target="_blank">www.safrac.com</a> loads of pixs of the crash. . .Really annoys me how quickly the other side get their msg out. . .Glad all crew ok, hope the same for pax.

[Murphy]

JFK!?!?! Now I'm Jealous!!..............Or B!. .. .Why do most people on this forum think everyone else is dis-satisfied with their jobs. And that by saying they are flying an Airliner now, will make everyone Green with Envy??.........................Oh, I know why. Cos most people on here are Crabs now!!

[Helmut Visorcover]

Murph, they are welcome to it. In general I like crabs, my dad was one. But this has turned into a typical RAF Admin office now.. .. .Any news on the crew/pax?

[u_build_em_I_roll_em]

Crew are all fine cheers boys! Aircraft Cat 5 Ah well, still no news on pax <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" />

[I.N. Balance]

1 x pax paralysed from chest down; another quite poorly. Others relatively minor, depsite the state of the airframe. Aircrew OK.

[Helmut Visorcover]

Sad to hear about a few of the pax but glad to hear no fatalities. Seen the phots on the SAFRAC site of the cab and looks 'a bit' of a mess. Shame the photographers didn't feel the humility to help out as opposed to taking mindless 'propoganda snaps'. Must be worth it though as there is a war going on down there.. .. .Sympathies go out to the pax.