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cit56x
30th Oct 2009, 23:41
can anyone tell me what the 7X is like to land, especially in a strong crosswind, compared to say a Citation X or Sovereign both of which can be a bit of a bitch.

Thanks

neil armstrong
31st Oct 2009, 10:59
Its very easy to land in normal conditions.
I've not tried strong crosswind landings yet(new on type).
there is a software upgrade that increases the crosswind limit, the rudder is rather small and the rudder steering is getting used too(back to the C152 days).
Will keep you informed.

Neil

jr of dallas
31st Oct 2009, 13:06
like all the Falcon type, wings straight and upon landing opposite rudder and little stick in the wind to compensate the induced roll (if you've seen the main landing fairings I'm sure you undersand)..

cit56x
10th Nov 2009, 21:14
Thanks guys

Saw the fairings today, see what you mean !!

His dudeness
11th Nov 2009, 09:22
...Sovereign both of which can be a bit of a bitch.


Que? The Sov is a 152 with Jets put on. Bitch in a X-wind???

G-SPOTs Lost
11th Nov 2009, 11:57
His dudeness Quote:

Que? The Sov is a 152 with Jets put on. Bitch in a X-wind???


The 680/750's are well reported as being a handful in a xwind. Cant comment on the 750 but as far as the 680 is concerned compared to the "wider stance" 500's it can be a bloody handful more so when gusty rather than a stiff x-wind.

HD - you skygod you!!! :ok: :}

Max Torque
14th Nov 2009, 15:54
Hmmm.
Not sure about that "like other Falcons" JR.

The CODDE 2 actually states in the Normal Operations - Special Procedures - Weather - Crosswind:

Note: When the nosewheel is on the ground, the sidestick roll command should not be positioned into the wind.

and

Commanded roll into the wind would increase adverse "weather vane " effect.

If you look at the FCS synoptic page on the ground and command a roll, you will see the rudder deflect in the direction of the commanded roll to keep the turn the system assumes you are making coordinated. However if you're on the runway, it just weathervanes the aircraft. At max crosswind, directional control may become difficult. Its not the best feature of the aircraft. It'll get fixed eventually, as its a software fix.

It also says max bank angle 5 degrees down to touchdown.

Counter-intuitively its the wing tip which will hit first, not the gear door. That is caused by the pitch attitude at touch down which puts the tips closer to the ground.

Max

jr of dallas
15th Nov 2009, 17:03
whatever...just giving you a 500 hours on type practical point of view...for the fairings we've seen what it does trust me...but like other I don't sleep with codde 2 !:ugh:

His dudeness
15th Nov 2009, 20:38
HD - you skygod you!!!

Thought you would never recognize it.

Honestly now, I think the airplane is quite controlable even in very gusty winds.

Sorry for the thread drift.

cit56x
23rd Nov 2009, 20:47
Thanks Max, makes sense, no crosssed controls then?