ONE-TO-ONE WITH CAS

[Scud-U-Like]

If you had a one-to-one with CAS, CinC STC or CinC PTC (without the anonymity of this forum), what would you say?

[Bazois]

I would tell him that the Grob was useless and that I wouldn't have purchased it .... .no, hold on, thats what I did do at RIAT - ooops!

[d1100j]

Yeah, I would agree with that - bring back the 'dog with its forgiving undercarriage, decent paint schemes and 250ft capability! <img src="mad.gif" border="0">

[peterward]

Sorry Sir...... <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

[opso]

Same as last time...

Yes Sir. No Sir. No Sir. Never again Sir. Of course I'll apologise Sir. Yes Sir. Thank you Sir.

[LambJalfraezi]

I can't think of a sensible question regarding the shocking state of the RAF that he is allowed to answer. CAS 'must' present the company line...perhaps more than any other officer in the RAF, CAS does what he's told...and that's it.

'You've fallen victim to one of the two classic blunders...'

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[Audax]

<img src="frown.gif" border="0"> LambJ, your personal abuse of the CAS is out of court. Yes, the Air Force is in a mess but to say that the CAS (who, if you had ever met him is a good bloke) is not qualified to answer questions is plain stupid.

[Brian Dixon]

I'd ask them if they had 'absolutely no doubt whatsoever' that I was an Irritating Sod :) :)

Brian. ."Justice has no expiry date" - John Cook

[Whipping Boy's SATCO]

"One lump or two, sir?"

[KD]

" I have control Sir . Been a while has it ? "

:) :) :) <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> ( Can`t find a tongue in cheek smiley )

[Hong Kong Fuey]

I'm with Audax on this one. Top man. Have some respect.

[Jackonicko]

Audax and Phooey,

Think he just meant that the office of CAS is such that any incumbent is powerless to honestly answer qs or even to solve problems. Don't think it was abuse, though it may be simplistic and in error.

[SACSmith]

I think everyone should refrain from insulting CAS. He is one of the nicest genuine blokes I've ever met, he can mingle with the highest echelons of society but still manage to talk to people my level, in a non-patronising way. I know that he works damn hard and he's trying his utmost to make everything better for everyone, but he's only human at the end of the day. He is under tremendous budgetary pressure from above, being asked to do more for less, and he has to make very painful decisions (balancing the morale of his people with operational output of RAF). I think if you had his job for a week you'd see things very differently.

[spectre150]

Now we know - the senior leadership DOES come to the Prune and CAS uses the nickname SACSMITH.

Only kidding, personally I agree (worked for him some years ago) and I respect you for having the bottle to make an unfashionable call like that <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

[Bazois]

Seemed like a nice chap to me, but then what do I know, just being a "filthy stooodent"!? <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

[Whipping Boy's SATCO]

I guess if AG had an audience it would be:

"Sir, about your 1771......"

[Tripe Loch]

Can you muzzle Admin Guru?

[SACSmith]

Thanks Spectre, although I know it is fun to have a go at the hierarchy and blame them for everything. Just thank your lucky stars that Bagnall isn't in charge...........

[Fay Deck]

SAC Smith,

I have two observations to make from your first post:

1. With SACs of your obvious intelligence and loyalty the future of the RAF is assured.

2. However, you must learn that the name B****** must never be utterred or appear in print (Even a spam stateside remembers that from way back!).

Fay

[Fay Deck]

I am revoking point 1 that I made above. Having just read on another thread that SAC Smith is PVRing this year perhaps the RAF is f*cked after all!

[SACSmith]

Fay, I have to admit, on that particular day, I was in a very negative frame of mind, as we all get from time to time. Thanks to the intellect and experience of more 'mature' PPrune members, I have now changed my perspective, and I'd be a complete fool to go back to civvie street. Afterall, what is there to go back to? I've done/seen things that my mates back home will never see/do, not that I think I'm better than them, but they're doing the same old thing. I promise never to mention the 'B' word ever again. He doesnt even say 'thank you' when you open doors for him. I know as Mohammed Ali said "do you open the door for them to go thru it or for them to thank you?", but manners cost nothing.

[Admin Guru]

Whipping Boy's SATCO. .Obviously you have absolutely no idea about the admin procedures for Senior Officers. It should have been made quite clear on your Cranwell course that CAS has a PA and an ADC and so is unlikely to have to fill out his own travel claim forms. This is quite a worrying lack of knowledge on your behalf. Just concentrate on the radar return and let us handle the day to day running of the RAF.

As for the muzzling comment, I presume that was a joke. Have you been taking lessons from Jacko? I think the word you were looking for was gag, muzzles are for dogs. . .SAC Smith - I hope you are not trying to steal my thunder as the recognised admin authority on PPrune. For the record, I have had two Forums created in my name. Suggest you read my reply to your post, in your Forum for some answers.

As for CAS, I would sympathise about how hard his job must be. An excellent Air Force operating efficiently despite extremely stringent budgetary constraints. I, like my fellow adminers, appreciate that fiscal issues are the bottom line.. .I'm sure that BEagle would agree.

[SACSmith]

Dear Admin Guru, I wouldn't dream of stealing your thunder, in fact, I find you comments quite entertaining. I'm glad you share my sympathy for CAS. You have to admit though, some of my threads have started a debate, and being new to PPrune, I'm quite proud of that. This forum is very useful, I recommend the whole Air Force should log on ASAP! <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

[SACSmith]

I thought 'ONE-TO-ONE WITH CAS' would be on fire by now!! <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

[6nandneutral]

AG just thought that I'd let you know that I will be sleeping much easier now that you are doing the day to day running of the Air Force. How ever have we managed for so long without you?. .Even more so that you have now promoted yourself to the 'Recognised Authority' on RAF admin matters. Also when someone classes you as a dog by being muzzled, for you that should be taken as a compliment. But let's get one thing straight, Pprnue Military Aircrew is a Forum and Topics are started and threads follow, so you have not had your own two Forums, you really are an ass, now the question is do you gag or muzzle an ass?. . :) :) :)

[D-IFF_ident]

Sir, How about we forget IIP? Everyone's got their promotions from that now anyway. Maybe we could look towards increasing the quality of life of our personnel. Perhaps we could look to organizations such as:

<a href="http://www.parentsatwork.org.uk" target="_blank">http://www.parentsatwork.org.uk</a>. . . .Here's some of their blurb:

Any organisation that wants to get the most from its employees needs to take an active approach to the work-life debate. The cost of absenteeism and a demotivated workforce can be enormous. Conversely, enlightened policies breed loyalty, commitment and effort.

Helping staff to balance their work and home lives aids retention, can increase productivity and, in the war for talent, can be an important aid to recruitment.

Just a thought.

[ 24 February 2002: Message edited by: D-IFF_ident ]

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[The Motley Fool]

On the subject of AA ALM pay banding. I agree that FS & Master ALM's should be in the lower pay band as per the findings of the Job Evaluation Team (JET).

The reason the JET found these ALM ranks wanting is because of the responsibilities taken away from them by (you guessed it !) our commissioned leaders.

To put this into perspective a new ALM graduate joining at 18 could attain the rank of FS by age 25 (with options to 55) and said smooth ALM if not creamed off could reach the dizzy heights of MALM at 30. Tell me why the RAF then fully and knowingly under-utilises said individual for the next 25 years ! (according to JET)

But please tell me why having evaluated (JET)and found that these members should be in the lower pay band did you then see fit to award (criteria) Master's with a 10K bonus over 2 years ?

This is a problem Sir, I know but like all good SNCO rearcrews I have a solution. Give the responsibility back to the FS & MALM and value them for the rare commodity that they are and move them to the high pay band.

What's that you say, 'money is short', well I told you I had a solution. You simply disband an over valued and underworked group of self-serving individuals known as Commission Air Loadmaster's.