View Full Version : VB to get B787's

26th Oct 2009, 10:54
Just wait and see :ok:

Buster Hyman
26th Oct 2009, 11:03
No big deal...everyone's waiting for their 787's.

Going Boeing
26th Oct 2009, 11:47
There's 15 "early" slots that Qantas passed up available.

So Gunger, you're privy to some 'inside' info, are these aircraft for DJ Domestic, Pac Blue or V Oz?

26th Oct 2009, 12:00
So they are not getting anymore ERJ-190s ? damn. lol

26th Oct 2009, 22:21

If you want to impress look into that crystal ball and state when ANYONE will get a 787.

The wing box redesign was still underway last I heard, and when are they going to do the cold soak trials in Canada. Or are they going to build the largest icebox in the world?

26th Oct 2009, 22:32
No-one is getting 787s:O

26th Oct 2009, 22:52
Believe it when it's parked in the hangar is a phrase that comes to mind.

27th Oct 2009, 02:06
Neville, I think that the hangar's the only place it will ever be, not much chance of it ever flying!!

Ramboflyer 1
27th Oct 2009, 05:25
Yes and Ansett ordered A340s for ULH routes as well, where are they now.

27th Oct 2009, 06:33
B777-200 LR's will be the next announcement. ;)

27th Oct 2009, 06:45
What makes you think that they will get -200LRs when they have orders for -300's??


27th Oct 2009, 07:39
Sydney - New York maybe??

27th Oct 2009, 08:10
The only thing left of the 787 dreamliner is the Dream....

27th Oct 2009, 08:28
Rumour few weeks back on here said the A320, which was indeed a rumour, and now its the bloody 787.

Howabout the 800 seater A380?

27th Oct 2009, 11:15
Now now, Godfrey hasn't left just yet - my bets on a few 727s. Although rumour has it he's caught wind of a few local 732s going for a song... Would fit in well with the whole 'be green - recycle' rhetoric! They could even send them on those 'final frontier' routes like ISA-DPS, and ZNE-PMQ (via LST).

Bigger aircraft = more empty premium economy seats.

Happy to be proven wrong - after all, my mortgage depends on it!

27th Oct 2009, 11:18
Launcher for the 389? :}

27th Oct 2009, 11:31
How many different airframe engine combinations will that make?
Obviously trying to beat the Ansett record!:ooh:

27th Oct 2009, 12:49
Howabout the 800 seater A380?
About time they stretched it, looks a bit squat at the moment

29th Oct 2009, 13:10
What do you mean "stretch it" they can fit 800 all econ in the bloody thing now! Air Astana already has 2 all economy A380's on order. Imagine the funky smell on that thing when you de-bus!

1st Nov 2009, 07:36
If the rumours are true about an unspecified type, maybe it will be a turboprop? ATR's? I heard that some of the regional ports that the E Jet was meant to go to, didnt meet the PCN of the E Jet's. Who knows...:rolleyes:

The Bullwinkle
1st Nov 2009, 22:02
will they considering switching to the use of Danish butter onboard all aircraft' ?

Possibly, but it would all depend on the price! :)

Chocks Away
3rd Nov 2009, 21:16
The question on most minds is ' If VB introduce another aircraft type into their fleet, will they considering switching to the use of Danish butter onboard all aircraft' ? :D

Yes, and the Townsville refueller informs me that they have 3 Committees (ex-Jean West) brain-storming on this key factor already, Cactus.

4th Nov 2009, 06:10
I concur woftam, B777-200LRs

4th Nov 2009, 07:33
Spot on!

5 X 777-200LR, all to be delivered in 2011 and all in addition to existing 300ER orders and options (soon to be converted to orders).

New routes PER-LGW and SYD-JFK, both non-stop.

You saw it here first:ok:

Chocks Away
4th Nov 2009, 08:02
...is that with the Danish butter though???

4th Nov 2009, 09:39
Layer upon layer upon layer... she must be Danish! :}

4th Nov 2009, 10:10
BG is OS as we speak doing the deal for new aircraft, he is back mid Nov for the AGM.

4th Nov 2009, 23:00
Will the Virgin Group beat the Qantas Group to the punch in announcing the world's first Stateless flag of convienience Airline Group?

Does that mean they will have to use EU butter?

piston broke again
6th Nov 2009, 01:15
16-hour flights to London loom - The West Australian (http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/6438899/16-hour-flights-to-london-loom/)

V Australia, the international arm of Virgin Blue, is understood to be about to announce a new 16-hour, non-stop Perth to London service in 2011 that will be the world's second longest air route and will shave up to five hours off today's journey.

Chief executive Brett Godfrey is in final negotiations with Boeing for up to 70 aircraft that will include six of those with the world's longest range, the 300-seat Boeing 777-200LR, which can fly to virtually anywhere in the world non-stop.

The airline will also open a route linking Sydney and New York non-stop.

In February, when the airline's first 361-seat Boeing 777-300ER was delivered for the Sydney to Los Angeles route, Mr Godfrey and Sir Richard Branson, the airline's main shareholder, discussed making Perth a hub for routes to Britain and South Africa.

Sir Richard first raised his vision of London to Perth non-stop flights with _The West Australian _in late 2003 but aircraft availability and capability were obstacles.

Boeing's 777-200LR, which entered service in 2005, set the non-stop record for a commercial jet aircraft when it flew 21,600km east from Hong Kong to London over the US in November, 2005, in 22 hours and 42 minutes.

Virgin Atlantic had planned London to Perth non-stop flights with 270-seat 787-9s from 2014 but that plane is more than two years late.

Depressed aircraft prices are giving Virgin Blue a chance to fast track expansion plans.

A Virgin Blue spokesperson would only confirm that it had executives in the US looking to replace many of its 737s from 2011 and that now was a good time to shop for aircraft.

"We're often talking with Boeing and any aircraft manufacturer would certainly take that opportunity to make further presentations and typically that includes hypothetical modelling of aircraft options," the spokesperson said.

"We always keep an open mind as to opportunities and changing market conditions. Network planning and fleet strategy is part of that."

Virgin is also expected to launch a Sydney-Perth- Johannesburg route late next year.

6th Nov 2009, 03:29
Well all I can say to this rumour....................16 Hours of Virgin crew meals..ErrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

6th Nov 2009, 04:23
I'm curious about the logic of this service. Yes it's direct OZ direct UK, which is fine for PER pax , however for East Coast pax its still a one stop service.
The Great Circle track (http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=YSSY-wsss-EGLL%0D%0Ayssy-ypph-egll%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=mi&PATH-MINIMUM=&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=) is about 375 nm longer via PER than say, Singapore, so the overall trip will be longer.
How are they going to hub this in PER, with the domestic network or V to the east coast ports? If its a domestic feed then that make the transit more difficult than a single terminal transit in asia.

6th Nov 2009, 04:56
If you look at the amount of traffic that goes Perth-Sin -London, you will see that there is the numbers for a route that services just the people of Perth wanting to go to London and v/v. The service would be only 3 days per week. They should also look at Perth to China and India.

6th Nov 2009, 05:22
"B777-200 LR's will be the next announcement. ;) "

Posted 27th October by yours truly :E

Transition Layer
6th Nov 2009, 09:15
Didn't Qantas do the numbers long and hard on B772LR PER-LHR direct and decide it didn't work. And one would assume, that was with a much higher proportion of premium customers (hence higher yields) than V Aus would be carrying.

Good on them for giving it a shot, but if Bruce the Bogan is willing to fly on Asiana via Seoul (for example) with an overnight on the way in order to get the cheapest possible fare to Europe, then that's what they'll do. V Australia will need to charge a premium to make the service work and their target market might probably won't like it.

Red Jet
6th Nov 2009, 10:18
QF may well have looked at PER-LHR, but that is perfectly doable in the 777-200LR. PER-LHR = 7826NM (in reality VA will probably do PER-LGW, as slots at LHR are at, how should we say - a premium!!! PER-AMS is another definite possibility)

The "Holy Grail" of long haul - ie.SYD-LHR on the other hand, which is the one everyone REALLY REALLY would like to be doing, is still just outside of the economical range in the Northern Winter, even for the 200LR. SYD-LGW = 9187NM.

6th Nov 2009, 10:59
Just because the skygods did an evaluation of the b777 200lr on the London run and thought it didn't work, doesn't mean anything.

Just like they did the numbers on the 380, and then realised they have to send a Baron around with all the bags.....

I see nothing changing at Virgin. Maybe a few more domestic airframes, but nothing earth-shattering........

7th Nov 2009, 06:43
How much would Boeing have to reduce the fuel burn by to make Sydney London and London Sydney direct.

Is GE possibly able to deliver such fuel burn requirements within the next 10 years?

The fact that there are so many people in the Perth area who want to travel to London is quite surprising. I would have thought that would be a small market.

Mr. Hat
7th Nov 2009, 07:14
Sydney - Perth - London?

7th Nov 2009, 08:20
Considering that WA houses quite a few large mining operations and hence a large component of the Operational part of mining while London holds the financial half I expect that they will be very busy particularly up the front. Currently sandgropers have to go to singapore or DUbai first prior to heading to old blighty. Going direct should be pretty appealing I would think.