Garmin G3000 V Collins Proline 21

[nomorecatering]

Is the Garmin G3000 designed to be a direct competitor to the Proline 21 from Collins.

Anyone have any opinion on the touchscreen FMS as compared tp a traditional FMS keypad?

[ahramin]

While the touchscreen controls look like a huge improvement in ease of use over anything else on the market, I hope they have stress tested them to the max. Turbulence anyone?

As for comparing the G3000 to the Proline 21, apples to oranges. The G3000 is a fantastic, easy to use, amazingly useful General Aviation GPS. The 21 is an integrated FMS.

[clear prop!!!]

Read this thread a few days ago and Ahrmins point Turbulence anyone? sprang to mind as I tried to use my Iphone on an intercity train today!!

That apart, Garmin themselves have identified their market as light TP and, at any rate won't have approvals 'till 2011

Having said that, looks great, but not a patch on Proline, a tried and tested integragrated system

[formulaben]

As for comparing the G3000 to the Proline 21, apples to oranges. The G3000 is a fantastic, easy to use, amazingly useful General Aviation GPS. The 21 is an integrated FMS.

Spoken like someone who's either never used the Garmin 3000, or a Collins employee...

So, which is it? :suspect:

[ahramin]

The former.

Waiting to be corrected if it is indeed a multi-sensor FMS, but none of the literature I have seen suggests this is so. As far as I can tell if you lose GPS, you lose RNAV.

[formulaben]

So by "integrated FMS" you mean a multi-sensor navigational unit? Personally, that doesn't meet "my" definition, simply because I've never had one, but have used several FMSs. Also, there are PLENTY of Pro Line 21 installations in the field without INS. Does that make them any less of an FMS?

Anyhow, semantics aside, your point is well taken; my point is that the G3000 suite will be just as powerful as the Pro Line 21 (probably more so), but for sure, it may not have INS capability. Given the success of the G1000 series, and Garmin's customer service I can say without hesitation that it would be a welcome addition to most any cockpit (with few exceptions), especially when cost is considered. It's only a Part 23 installation for now, but I wouldn't be shocked to see it in Part 25 aircraft before too long.

[Empty Cruise]

PL21 without ADIRUs... now, I wouldn't exactly call what we have a powerful suite, raw-data tracking is wobbly at best, and VNAV function is strictly geometrical (ie no use except for approach). Add the archaic nav-source set-up (no imbedded LNAV) and you have a pretty mediocre system.

Throwing in 2 ADIRUs might help in some aspects, but it won't give you propper VNAV. Menu architecture is good, tho - and that, combined with AFCS integration, will at the end of the day decide if the 3000 is as good as the 21. Lack of ADIRU capability is - probably - a secondary factor only.

[shawn.barker]

I think that the Garmin would more directly compete with the Proline Fusion package. Rather than the Proline 21. It is set to be delivered on the G250. :rolleyes:

As far as the touch screen on the G3000. If my information is correct Garmin has considered turbulence and added a turbulence mode I believe. Something with larger simplified touch icon, or something to that affect. I have a brochure around here somewhere.....I need to get it out and look at it.:hmm:

[ahramin]

formulaben, I am not talking about INS. The PL21 will take whatever inputs you provide it, including INS. The Garmin is a GPS, period.

Flying around non-oceanic, if you lose the GPS on the PL21, you go to Rho Theta without a hiccup and continue RNAV. On the Garmin, you lose RNAV and are back to VOR to VOR.

[nomorecatering]

How about the G5000.

More of a competotor?

[paulsalem]

I currently fly a Phenom 100 with a G1000 and it's a POS. I'd kill for a real FMS.