Grob Tutor

[pushover]

Will somebody tell the CAA that the Tutor is in fact a Single Engine Piston aircraft before I get really thredders with them. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

[Dukeyboy]

I'm not in the CAA, I'm afraid. Well, in fact I'm not, but there you are. However, I do fly them very often. What do they currently list it as, apart from shambolicaly aerobatic?

[pushover]

It's more aerobatic than my Monday - Friday helicopter, so I'm not complaining too much.

[Recover]

Well, Ron Elder, Top General Aviation Neddy at the CAA, flies the things from Benson so someone at the Belgrano should know. Don't tell me they were trying to credit you with multi-crew, multi-engined, fixed wing time. That would never do would it.....far too useful for a licence <img src="wink.gif" border="0">


And.....

Recover

[Tonkenna]

Perhaps its the name that confuses them, cause isnt it just known as the Grog 115E and only the RAF calls it the Tutor?

Its great though isnt it :) :)

Tonks

[OldBonaMate]

Give the kids in FCL a break! they are probably confusing it with the Grob 109 which is an SLMG in Jar-speak and the Vigilant (Grob 109M(?)) which isn't (or is it?)
However, part-time flying on air experience flights or equivalent is unlikely to earn helo-jocks the fixed-wing credits they may be after for **PL(A) licences!

[BEagle]

The Grob Tutor certainly is a SEP (Land) Class aeroplane - ask the CAA what else it is! Flight in such an aeroplane should count towards SEP (Land) Class Rating revalidation, but make sure that you have 'VP' signed off in your personal logbook by a QFI as the aircraft requires 'difference' training under JAR/FCL 1.

Tonks - I've posted a reply to your 'transition point' query!

[ 17 January 2002: Message edited by: BEagle ]</p>

[Spacer]

Well guys, I've just had my PPL(A) revalidated (by experience) with hours from a Tutor combined with hours from a Cessna and the CAA didn't have any problems with me using both as SEP (Land). And my logbook was thoroughly inspected. What other category could it come under??? Single Engine Plastic (Land) <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

[Fudge]

Does anyone know if it can fly at night yet, either under military or civil rules?

[Megaton]

Why? Does it fly differently at night? :)

[Bervie]

It might be scared of the dark!

[Megaton]

[quote] Does anyone know if it can fly at night yet <hr></blockquote>

Doesn't it need a pilot then?

[EvilThom]

The problem with flying the Tutor at night which wasn't an issue with the Bulldog is (apparently) nothing technical.

The tutors are owned by the Bank of Scotland, leased to VT Aerospace, who then provice a contract service to the RAF. Hell, the a/c is fully airways and IFR capable - so VMC night should be no problems.

The fact is that the contracts specify that the a/c shall not be operated after 17:30. Boo!

Interestingly, the a/c is not classified as IMC capable because of a slight c*ck-up when obtaining type-certification. Apparently the CAA will not allow an a/c on which both AI's are driven by the same power bus and gyro to be certified. However a dispensation can be made for military operated aircraft to get round this. But somebody forgot to ask for it, and it can't be granted retrospecitvely. D'oh!!!!

T

[BEagle]

Hey Tonks, guess you'll have plenty of time for A2 study tomorrow - I don't think that you'll be flying Das Teutor IFR or even VFR....herewith your latest TAF: 271945Z 272115 20013KT 9999 SCT025 TEMPO 2124 7000 -RA BKN020 BECMG 2124 23020G32KT BECMG 0609 25035G48KT TEMPO 1015 25050G75KT 6000 SHRA SCT014

Nice,huh........?? Remind you of the Malvinas?? (Shan't mention ATC.............)

[sangiovese.]

The wind's down the strip. What are you worried about?