AIRMAN AIRCREW PVR'S

[pusight]

Rumors of many Airman Aircrew NGR/PVRs after tuesdays news. Is this true?

[JimNich]

No.

[widge]

Just rumors.

Lets face it, they know there are going to be very few NCO AA PVRs as we dont have a place to go in civvy street.

[cheapseat]

Unless, of course, you’re a SAR boy.

. .For the hard of thinking Air Ranks try Project Jigsaw.

The clock is running.

Bang out now, avoid disappointment!!!!!!

[Spur Lash]

JimNich

Pulse, finger, not even close.

[OOPS 78]

AAs may not pvr just yet, but they will all take options. The review was to retain professional aircrew, it would appear that SNCO aircrew are not considered professional by our highers and betters.

It was a good review for me but frankly I was embarrassed when the AAs got nothing.

The crewroom gets split with half of a crew demoralised and insulted. Thank you very much.

[ttthompson]

It's a rash call to just bang in a PVR/NGR. Very tempting for the powers that be to call it "Knee jerk". The Loadies did a lot of this last year and it was deemed an immature response. Especially with some of the rants that took place in this Forum.

It would be far better for those approaching thier 22 yr option to indicate to PMA that it is thier intention to leave, then the figures of those due to arrive at this pensionable option will soon become apparent.

If you think that there is no job to go out to, try to think a little laterally. Correct, BA does not employ Wet or Dry AEOp's, but a lot of companies will be interested in a person with management and supervisory skills, a flexible approach and a Can Do attitude. The salary may not seem attractive at first, but add it to a £10k pension and £30k gratuity and things look a little better.

Food for thought

[covec]

"Cold war" AEOps i.e. particularly those from about 110 to 130 AAITC are now very much more likely to exercise their 22 year option instead of completing to age 55. Another option of course is to apply for a commission...Air or Ground.

Incredible tho' it may seem I do feel somewhat sorry for the RAF(!!!!!) because this problem is growing and festering, and given certain station locations the airforce is faced with "squaring" a circle.

We have to be a bit careful what we say here guys n gals, because of the potential impact on certain projects and the understandable associated civilian contractor fears. This forum has already been commented on by local radio, with a worried MP seeking re-assurances.

Time WILL tell.

For the record - I am not going to honour my "contract" to 55. Much as "they" did not honour our Reserve rights being lost on promotion....

[6nandneutral]

It would make things very interesting if the civilian cargo carriers had to employ Loadmasters.. .Floodgates spring to mind <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

[BEagle]

A very valid point, that last one. There have been many accidents over the years caused by wrongly loaded or secured cargo as well as the famous ValuJet fatal accident which was due to incorrectly prepared Dangerous Air Cargo.

Although there is, as far as I'm aware, no formal JAA or CAA recognised aircrew load specialist term, in this day and age of litigation surely it's only a matter of time before a requirement to carry trained ALMs on certain flights (rather than relying upon load despatchers) becomes mandatory? The airline bean counters would bitch and squeal, but as someone once said "If you think safety is expensive, try paying out after an accident...........!".

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[JimNich]

spurlash,

betya!

[kippermate]

I'm in Jim Nich's gang.

[Big Green Arrow]

What you've got to get your head 'round is that the RAF often instills in us that we can do nout on the outside! They're more than often quite wrong. Ok BA etc don't employ AEOps/Winchman etc, but as has already been mooted, many companies favour the less apparent skills that we were originally hired for.....leadership, multi-tasking, working to deadlines under pressure and so on. If you are prepared to do somethhing a little different and are happy to leave a familiar nest then go...live off the pension and live life...blah, blah, drone...but you all know from where I is coming!

[ 04 February 2002: Message edited by: Big Green Arrow ]</p>

[Croqueteer]

Yes, there is life after you hang up your AE brevet. I retire in a month after 25yrs airline flying, nearly all in the left hand seat, Saturday will see me flying at the bottom of an Alpine valley with 110 ski holidaymakers down the back. It has all been good fun. One question, doaes anyone know if I should have an RAF pension? I joined at 16 as an apprentice and left after 15 yrs (1973) with a gratuity and was not on a pensionable egagement, although I here the rules have changed. Best of luck.