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woldo
17th Oct 2009, 17:13
Hi everybody :)
I received a positive result from KAL :ok: with a starting date 2nd December. But unfortunately I have to do a B777 rating before. Does anybody know a good and affordable school and as I´m holding a JAR license do I require a license entry of this B777 rating in my JAR license?
And are there any informations around for the Law test?
Hope to get some help from you!
kk pilot
17th Oct 2009, 18:35
Alteon in the US - around $15k I think. I'm not sure if that is for Capt or FO or if it even matters.
89Pistons
17th Oct 2009, 18:40
Congrats Woldo! When did you interview?
sec 3
17th Oct 2009, 19:26
I would hold off on the celebrations at this early stage. Many experienced 777 jocks have gone to Korean only to be snuffed out during line training. Anyways, good luck!
extreme P
17th Oct 2009, 22:02
Flight training International will cost you $14 000 for the 777 course in the United States. They do an excellent job.
Air Law exam will be covered for the first three days of your training. Should be a no brainer provided the exam you study for isn't switched. Again...
Save the celebrating for the end as it's a long and treacherous course.
woldo
18th Oct 2009, 11:32
Hi 89 piston,
thanks :) . I did my interview in September and I received the result last week. Do you already have some experience with KAL?
woldo
18th Oct 2009, 11:45
I also heard some strange stories from KAL but one the other hand according to my experience during the interview they were very nice, friendly, helpful and professional especially during the Sim (I had to fly the A300).
And also some good fiends are flying there (some already for a long time) without having any problems there. But - of course - you always have to stick to their rules (but it´s same where do I come from).
But in fact: right in the moment it seems to be the best commuting contract on a excellent equipment.
89Pistons
21st Oct 2009, 17:26
Hey Waldo. I have no prior experience with KAL but a few friends in the pipeline. Did you interview in early or late September?
hello to all!
this is a honest question. Why is it that pilots are willing to pay (15k..) for a Type rating ? is not enough that we have to pay for flight training? some of my buddies are in debt up to 75k in us dollars. is this pay for a type rating a standard practice in Asia? Europe?
happy landings!
TWN PPL
21st Oct 2009, 23:23
Gusz Happy flying your EMB145
Ask your self why you would pilot a jet for such a low pay?
With your previous post regarding KAL pilots; you expect to get an honest answer?
Gusz Happy flying your EMB145
Ask your self why you would pilot a jet for such a low pay?
With your previous post regarding KAL pilots; you expect to get an honest answer?
Hello twn ppl...
mmm. I don't know what you mean by . Happy flying you emb-145, if you're implying that i fly a small airplane, I'm ok with that.. I'm all about quality of life instead of the size of the airplane that I fly. If you're just wishing me a safe and happy flight on the emb145.. Thank you!
low pay? I think I'm doing ok... could be better.. hell yeah!!!
Previous post about Kal Pilots? I don't think I mentioned Kal Pilots, I just ask a question about buying your own type rating, instead of having the company pay for it.
anyway... I'm not here for personal attacks... just for info...
cheers bud!!!!
The Dominican
22nd Oct 2009, 14:27
I'm all about quality of life instead of the size of the airplane that I fly. If you're just wishing me a safe and happy flight on the emb145.. Thank you!
I totally agree with you that pilots should have maintained as a norm that the company would pay for the training, companies like Ryan and Southwest have created an environment where a pilot paying for their own training seems to be an acceptable practice and that is very sad and unfortunate but in the case of SWA for example, the argument is that a payment of 8,000 dollars will grant you millions in earnings through the years and the same is true with KAL since a type on the 777 and time in type will ensure you very good earnings for the rest of your career for those that have made contract work their career path, I don't agree with paying for ones training and in fact I was lucky enough to get a contract job where the company paid for it but I also understand the logic of doing so.
It is not the size per say Gusz, it is the potential for career earnings that flying an RJ you simply cannot achieve and you may feel happy flying 15 days a month and making barely six figures and that might be enough to cover for your expenses now but for the rest of us that have been in the business a little longer and that have big expenses like college for the kids, an RJ driver salary simply won't do. Also quality of life is not simply having three more days off a month it is also having peace of mind when you are at work because the six leg days with multiple deferrals and the 500 hour F/O's coupled with weather and traffic jams just makes your time at work extremely stressful, I have to say that flying the heavy Iron is a lot more enjoyable and rewarding (monetarily and in peace of mind)
Very Well, thanks Dominican, I agree with cha.. in several points, I guess I'm old school and believe in working hard to earn you job, instead of buying your way in, but then again is an investment in your future. just for the sake of discussion, we have senior captains in my regional that pull six fiures at the end of the year, 19 days off, 4 weeks of vacation and very nice overnights. I give props to our maintenance dept. and the six legs a day... well southwest does it as well probably not 6 but very close.......but then again.. it depends on what you want to do with your careeer... happy landings Dominican!!!
kk pilot
22nd Oct 2009, 18:54
From what has been posted on here, buying a 777 rating and then going to KAL as a DEC is a quick trip to failure.
just the messenger......
TWN PPL
22nd Oct 2009, 20:51
"KAL does have some excellent pilots but most of the locals ( and some foreign riff raffs ) are just hilly billies piloting million dollar aircraft like chimps on tricycles...........
I have one word...... SCARY!!!"
This was your old post Gusz. "hilly billies"
woldo
24th Oct 2009, 09:14
Hi Piston,
I interviewed early September. I received a positive result last week and a starting date 2nd December which I had to cancel because it was not possible to find a TRTO for a B777 rating in november. I´m still searching, also for some infos about the law test.
what´s about you?
best regards
woldo
woldo
24th Oct 2009, 09:17
and to everybody who is in the lucky position never had to pay for your own rating: CONGRATULATIONS!!!!:):):)
555orange
24th Oct 2009, 11:46
Once again Dominican your logic is questionable.
Its not the size of airplane, its the company thats paying you to fly the airplane. Worldwide Legacy non-contract carriers pay very well to fly small airplanes, and with a good schedule at that. Some even have seniority bidding systems. In these companies its advantageous to fly the small planes because they don't come with the jet lag. Work Monday to Wensday and fly Paris-london-Paris. Air France? BA? KLM? or Any N American carrier (after a few years), Fed EX, UPS, Cathay, Dragon Air...etc. At BA, most of the young ones fly the big ones because pay is the same no matter what you fly. You get increases based on years of service only. This is the best system.
If your in the contract world, paying for ratings or preferrably bonding is a fact of life and a necessary evil to get into whatever airplane you desire to fly.
Moral of the story: Go for the Company, not the airplane, or the SEAT. If your smart you will start that logic young.... if you don't, it will cost you either a pension, or your family.
That said, if you can get a DEC on a 320 at Air Asia AND SURVIVE... then you will be in good shape, but you will probably forever be a contract pilot.
BritishGuy
24th Oct 2009, 19:13
Mind my ignorance, but what exactly are KAL looking for to interview FO candidates on the 777? I've seen the contract knocking about from most recruitment agencies, but most of them are saying that you don't need to be typed but need at least 500 on Boeing products (or something of the sort) - I may be wrong.
Can someone fill me in as to what their requirements are as to the 777 FO position.
Thanks.
Have a look here: www.kal-ccl.com (http://www.kal-ccl.com) should answer all your questions... GOOD LUCK :ok:
aryakethan
25th Oct 2009, 21:10
hi guys can u help me what are the basic requirements to apply for kal i m just completed my cpl from canada
extreme P
26th Oct 2009, 05:38
B777 F/O NTR
B744, B757, B767, B737NG F/O Type Rating
1,000+ F/O hours on above Equipment
currently operating an above type as F/O
2,000+ hours Airline Transport
Max age 45 years
2 year higher education diploma/degree
hassan81
31st Oct 2009, 12:55
Hi, guys,
ANybody know which agency works for KAL at the moment?
What is WAS?
Heard CCL,RAL, PARC, DPI, and whatelse?
And which one is the best?
woldo
31st Oct 2009, 14:00
Hi Hassan,
I´m with Rishworth, as for me there are no complains, a friend of mine is with CCL and we could not find any differences between them.
I´m quite sure there are no major differences between the agencies, so my advice is: take whatever is convenient for you! I´m not sure but I think you can also apply now at Korean itself.
Cheers
woldo