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Thud_and_Blunder
17th Feb 2002, 04:11
Leaving Service Life the T_&_B way.

I recently PVR'd from the Royal Air Force after nearly 28 years of (almost entirely) happy service to HM. My reasons for departure aren't really a valid point for discussion here; suffice to say that money (as may become clear later) wasn't a factor.

The departure process started while I was overseas on Loan Service. My poster was very constructive and did his best to persuade me that my interests would be best served by staying on. However, once it was clear that my decision was final he did nothing to impede or impair the process. Getting onto a resettlement course wasn't easy owing to the unique circumstances of the posting, and I had to cancel one at short notice when the return flight became unavailable for service reasons.

Once back in the UK I set about job-hunting in earnest. This process began a day after landing back in Blighty with a visit to HeliTech to learn/practice the mysteries of 'networking' - alien to dinosaurs like me, but extremely useful. Then came the CTW course at Uxbridge, which I cannot recommend highly enough - top quality. Having come away able to do rather more than correctly spell 'CV' (well, 2 times out of 3 anyway...) I set about putting the advice into practice.

It was my bad luck that my timing coincided with the unpleasantness of 11 Sept and all that followed. For 3 months all was very quiet; only 2 of the 40-odd applications I made for heli-pilot work generated replies, and they were both negative. I've kept records of everything, and will remember the Recruitment Agencies and Consultancies who couldn't be bothered to reply for those future dates when they're desperate for pilots (in my dreams...!). Fortunately, the Resettlement people had prepared me well for what could actually have been quite a depressing process, and although I lost over a stone and caught myself snapping at our perfectly-innocent 7-year old lad on occasion we came through it reasonably intact.

Just before Christmas, the replies finally started coming in. Ultimately there were 6 that could have been considered as serious, although 2 were put on hold until such time as I use my QSP status (valid for 1 year from departure, as vouched by the Chief Examiner at the CAA during my last conversation with him a fortnight ago...) to get the IR added to the ATPL(H).

This is where the CTW scored highly in my estimation. As part of the preparatory work you fill in yet another questionnaire concerning your future career requirements, which is then examined on day one of the course. It was made clear that although the scores might be close, it is the area of interest which comes out top which should be made a clear priority. In my case, although Tech/Professional came within a point or 2 of top (I do enjoy my flying...) the main thing I wanted to achieve from my post-mil 'career' was 'quality of family life'.

Domestic OC and I would sit down on a fairly frequent basis and go through various 'what if' and 'so what' thought processes. We eventually came to the conclusion that what would suit us best would be a job where I could be at home at least half the time, where we could plan ahead for holidays and other family events and where the Boss, who's the one who actually gets on with people, could be near old friends. We already had a house in her old home town (although we'd hardly ever seen it), so it seemed sensible to make that favourite for a home base even though it's not exactly at the hub of the civil aviation universe. Critically, we also worked out our budget and established what we could afford to live on without diminishing that elusive quality of life thingy.

With these considerations foremost, we then closely examined the remaining 4 offers (whilst remaining open to anything else that might have come in). Working in the Middle East, although brilliant from the climate/money point of view, would have kept us away from friends and was largely reliant upon the IR. Instructing at mil FTS as a civvy was tempting but required a move, and wasn't as well paid as overseas. Another offer required me to live on the end of an always-ringing mobile phone, available at the drop of a hat to bog off for well-paid indeterminate periods of time. Finally (although I should mention here that they were actually the first people to get in touch and offer an interview), there was an offer to join a company which Specialises in offering pilotage and other Aviation Services to constabularies and area health authorities around the UK (can you tell who they are yet..?). The pay was the worst on offer (by a fair margin - even compared to FBH/Serco!), but there's a fixed shift system, generous leave, a modern aircraft and the chance to work with professionals who often obtain (and video record..) results. Although the post they were looking to fill is over 200 miles up the M5 from our house, there's cheap accommodation available nearby which can be used for the 5 days at a time on shift. It fitted the bill both from home and work/flying points-of-view.

You'll have worked out by now that I took the lowest paid of the above options. I'm now into the 3rd week with the company, have been cleared to endanger my observers and the general public without adult supervision and can find the time when fogged-in on a night-shift to blather to my heart's content.

I've found that there is life after the 1250 is handed back (and the aircrew watch, which I hadn't seen for the last 15+ years, is paid for - sigh), and hope that the foregoing can be of some benefit to people who might be teetering on the brink.

For people who like to go straight to the conclusion, my experience of departing from the Royal Air Force can be distilled as follows:

- If in doubt about leaving, don't. You're very well off where you are.

- Once you're convinced that it's time to leave, don't faff about. Get on with resettlement and all that follows.

- If you're not actually in the RAF system as you go through the process of leaving, make sure that ALL the paperwork is completed on the appropriate RAF forms. My 5-months-to-go medical was not recorded on the correct document, and the med people are giving me grief.

- Use everything the excellent resettlement scheme offers. Again, I cannot praise the Uxbridge officers CTW course highly enough. Use their experience, follow their advice - it worked for me (my job was obtained purely through CV/interview, not networking).

- Have a minimum of 3 applications on the go at any one time. It cushions the disappointment of the inevitable(?) rejections.

- Be absolutely certain of what you want to achieve in civvy street. Don't be dissuaded from that course.

- If you have a family, keep them on-board throughout the entire process. We're actually getting on better now than we have for some time (must be 'cos I'm away for 5 days at a time - should I be suspicious!?)

- I miss many aspects of Royal Air Force (and Army, and SOAF, and Royal Brunei Air Force) life, but I've found work that gives me stability, predictability and tremendous job satisfaction. That, and a happy family, is enough for me.

I suggest you go away and make a cuppa/ have a long drink - you'll need it if you waded through that lot. While you're doing that, I'll say my thanks to everyone who stepped in with practical assistance and offers of help over the past few months - we won't forget your kindness and generosity.

Now to get in touch with Brian Dixon over on the Chinook thread and see if there's anything useful I can do now that I'm a civvy...

Blacksheep
17th Feb 2002, 08:27
Good stuff Blunder. Returning to civilian life is inevitable for all in military service and its as well to be properly prepared. The biggest danger perhaps, is unrealistic expectations and your post will be very helpful in clearing up some misconceptions. But I must assure you that you can never truly 'leave' the military - the experience stays with you forever.

I see you were here in The Kingdom of Unexpected Treasures, its nice to hear that there is life after 'paradise'. I've been here for far too many years but Berakas will never change and your former colleagues continue to b*gger up my Star TV reception. Good luck for the future...

**********************************. .Through difficulties to the cinema

Chilli Monster
17th Feb 2002, 14:29
Thud

Congrats on the job. If it was you doing the IF stuff at Filton a few weeks back it was a pleasure working with you. The voice on the other side of the R/T was also ex RAF. I went through the lots of rejections stage but it all came good in the end. Left as a Cpl - now a civvy ATCO with all the ticks - dreams can come true :)

CM

ShyTorque
17th Feb 2002, 14:56
Well done Thud.

Glad to see you made the leap although I am glad to hear (and surprised) you got so much help from the system.

My experience was quite different. When I decided to get out at my 38 point I was given very little assistance and no advice. I had an overseas job to go to and had the support of my Sqn boss to leave the service a few weeks early, iaw QRs that allow this. However, as soon as the Staish heard about it, he refused me permission and I nearly lost the job as the employer wanted the post filled to a timescale. Fortunately a friend with the employer fooled them into believing that I was worth waiting for! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

At the time there was an increased security state. I was still required to hand in my car pass as part of the clearing process despite my protests, as we were not vacating the MQ for another 3 days. This resulted in my wife being held at gunpoint for half an hour on her return from taking the kids to school. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

Overall, she and I were totally unimpressed with the way everything was handled and I was very glad to be gone.

I got my own back on the staish though, I arranged a resettlement course of my own, a Heli type rating in an exotic location and whacked in a claim for rate ones for the full month.

The IRA had the last word though. After all those years of me escaping their clutches, the ******s mortared Terminal 4 as we arrived at the airport!

Best of luck at PAS! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Gainesy
17th Feb 2002, 20:45
Congrats Thud. You working with Bograt then?

Brian Dixon
17th Feb 2002, 23:31
Thud,. .Happy New Year (bit late, I know) and many congrats on the job.

Let me know if you're ever in my neck of the woods!

Best wishes. .Brian

Per Noctem Volamus
18th Feb 2002, 01:55
Hi Guys,

My first posting so apologies for any errors in PPRuNe etiquette.

My comment is on the general subject of leaving Her Majesty's employ and getting a civvie job as opposed to finding a flying job. I left the mob 8 years ago after 32 years as a member of SODCAT. During that time I was in contact with various civilians who told me in no uncertain terms that as military I was inferior to those who worked in the real world, ie civilians - in particular, civli servants. I was fortunate enough to be detached to a simulator manufacturer for 4 years. My experience there coupled with my experiences in the last 8 years has shown me that not only are we as a breed not inferior, we are markedly superior!!! The average military SNCO or officer, particularly aircrew, can run rings around middle-management in UK in almost any field. Most jobs are straightforward to learn - in the last 7 years I have learnt enough about the Life and Pensions industry, Foreign Exchange and the Direct Marketing industry (junk mail) to work very successfully as a contract programmer and earn a good income. Our biggest advantages are that we are flexible, methodical, used to rapidly assessing a situation and finding a solution and don't panic when all hell lets loose.

To put it into perspective aircrew selection and IOT are harder than the courses most industries send very senior executives on.

The bottom line is that if you are thinking of leaving and are not looking for a job in aviation then you have a lot to offer to most companies on the management side.

Any one looking to move on I wish them the best of luck - but they won't need it!

Thud_and_Blunder
18th Feb 2002, 07:08
Blacksheep

Have often recognised the location at the bottom of your posts and felt tempted to write. I wonder what they'll stitch poor Sheikh Jimmy up with next time? He's wasted on BD - please pass on compliments to him and Jenny if you ever bump into them. Same goes for the top LS geezer who's holding the fort on the B212/S70 until the RAF send someone else out.

Acknowledge your comments on the Star TV reception - about as reliable as the water supply. We do miss the climate, and also the JIS crowd. Definitely an experience not to be missed.

Chilli

Many thanks. It wasn't me at Filton, though - they sound far too professional. No, I'm an hour or so further up the M5 from you. Were you ever an AATC at Sek Kong who later moved to Lulsgate?

ShyTQ

Again, thanks - and sorry to hear about the way your departure was handled; ours had its moments, but was generally pretty civilised. Probably 'cos, with me being well past the 16/38 and at the stage where I was beginning to dribble and make the cockpit smell of wee, they were happy to see me go.

Gainesy

Funnily enough, the people on shift with me at the moment say that none of the other drivers will admit to that particular moniker - you'll have to give me another clue! I share my shift pattern with he who is known as Biffa but was occasionally referred to in a previous incarnation as Gutbucket; could this be the one of whom you speak?

Brian

I'm on nights at the moment, and have brought in all the books I've stockpiled over the last year or 12 and never got around to reading. In the first few pages of Iain Banks Inversions (1988) I found the following:

"We never like to think of ourselves as being wrong, just misunderstood. We never like to think that we are sinning, merely that we are making hard decisions, and acting upon them."

Sounds to me just like a couple of people we all know, with whom the rest of us are still out of step. Shame they lack the ability to see outside their own little bubble.

Oh, and as I have a couple of relatives who live not a million miles from your patch, I will definitely be around to lower the tone sometime soon-ish. Kung Hei Fat Choi to you too - I assume you were referring to the Year of the Horse only 6 days ago?!

PNV

Spot on. Bags of confidence, bags of aggression - they'll never know what hit 'em. Sounds a bit like hard work to me though - I'll stick to flying and the easy life!

navbag
19th Feb 2002, 21:15
All,. .I can only echo the above sentiments. I too have recently taken the plunge and am leaving the RAF at my 16/38 option. It was a tough decision but one that was based on quality of life issues as opposed to financial ones; I am still actually officially (just) in the RAF and the new FRI, whilst looked at carefully, was not a factor for me (I'm better off leaving!).

The Resettlement Team are excellent and anyone with 2 years to run really should get in touch with them. They give you the confidence to get out there and market yourself. The job I landed was obtained through networking, although I responded to ads and also contacted recruitment agencies who proved to be very useful and are always on the lookout for military aircrew of all trades.

Also take advantage of the leave and financial incentives when resettling...they really do make the big jump easier! If like me, your into non-flying related appointments, I would also recommend any form of Business Management Training as in Civvy Street they speak a very different language and, although I'm in a military related job, the learning curve was initially pretty steep!!

I like others on this thread (and our families) have made the leap and are now reaping the rewards of stability in all of it's forms. It's not for everyone but for those considering the big leap...don't worry, there's plenty of help on your doorstep and the waters not as cold as it looks!!

Navbag! <img src="cool.gif" border="0">