Pilot ejects as RAF jet crashes

[Bloody long way down]

here's the link:

<a href="http://uk.news.yahoo.com/020215/80/cscj1.html" target="_blank">http://uk.news.yahoo.com/020215/80/cscj1.html</a>

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/wales/newsid_1821000/1821998.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/wales/newsid_1821000/1821998.stm</a>

Bad news on such a nice day <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

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[beamer]

At least he got out !

[recceguy]

OK so what ?

It happens every month, in UK or other countries

What is the part of rumor, air-transport related information or debate in this?

Or airline pilots would like to comment events from another world ? <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

[CR2]

The first sarcastic comment that springs to mind is that the pilot will be done for "gross negligence" for flying into a bird...

[tiger burn]

Mmmmm........compression fractures....."back injuries" - fingers crossed he'll be able to walk again.

tb

[Christ's chin]

Recceguy,. .I didn't realise that an aircrash wasn't worth discussing on an aviation website just because he was military.

I detect a bit of a chip on your shoulder....ever been turned down by the RAF?

[overstress]

Tigerchap:

those phrases are standard terms for ejection injuries.

the pilot will have a sore back due to compression of the vertebra, but most who suffer this continue to fly ejection seat equipped a/c.

[nosefirsteverytime]

criminy overstress, saw your signature! come over to the "nay give *****" crowd!

[recceguy]

Christs Chin

I confirm, there is a military forum for this - or I am going to inundate this forum with accident releases of all the western world Air Forces

And also, to answer your question, I flew Hawk, Jaguar, Tornado, and F16 in exchange - enough for you ?

[Christ's chin]

Recceguy,

Ok, it was a cheap shot and I feel suitably humbled. I sit corrected.

So did the Royal Navy turn you down then?............joke!

[DrSyn]

While we are off-topic, Indiana, the song is Oh Well from Fleetwood Mac's 1970 album Then Play On. One of Peter Green's classics.

Original topic covered on the Mil Forum.

[nilnotedtks]

. . . . What is a " controlled ejection " anyhow ? Sounds rude to me !

[kbf1]

So Recceguy...not good enough to join the brown warrior master race then? :)

Whether this is mil related or not, it is a matter of general aviation interest, so why shouldn't it be here, it qualifies for this forum under the heading "News".

[meloz]

recceguy

Hope I might never be stuck on an island with you.

Lighten up man. Here I was suspecting my employer and/or wife was making me a tad depressed.

If you are crew I would love to witness the CRM.

Take a deep breath and a chill pill, kick the dog or pat your wife, irrespective save your agro for a worthy retort.

[Greg Baddeley]

I was going to post on the Military forum on this accident, but as it's here....

The missus and I have agreed to disagree on whether a military pilot should bang out if he's over land. My own viewpoint is that if the aircraft can be safely left to hit the ground so as not to obviously endanger life, then out you go.

She, on the other hand, is of the opinion that he should stay in just in case the aircraft should change course, and go in with it, probably to be killed.

I should add that I was an Air Force kid (Dad retired in 1978 after a long and successful career) whereas she has never known service life.

As far as I'm aware, there have been very few instances of Military aircraft in Europe or elsewhere in the developed world destroying civilian lives when the pilot ejected safely, but would be interested to hear of any occurrence. I doubt it would change my dear wife's mind, as very little has, over the years!

Perhaps we should move this thread to Military Aircrew, Danny?

[fantom]

my goodness.there have been several.. .what do you want them to do? perhaps read these pages before considering abandoning? you have to understand that we are talking seconds to make the decision here.I am reminded of the press 'stayed with the aircraft so as to avoid the school' cliche. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

[Greg Baddeley]

I'm with you all the way on this one, mate....IF the pilot has the option, which in an F-16, Tonka or similar he probably doesn't, cause they could just come apart on you if they get distressed down in the boiler room - and I can't see the point of losing the best witness to an accident just because there may be a house within five miles!

The only accident I can remember where the aircraft turned back to a populated area was a Hunter, years ago, which the pilot flew out to sea, then after the ejection, it turned around and crashed in a Cornish village - but I don't recall any fatalities. It just bugs me severely when my spouse sets off on this one whenever a military jet crashes, and the pilot escapes with his life!

[John Farley]

nopaxthanx

You might mention in your house that men (and women) seldom choose to abandon aircraft over which they have full control. There was a time when RATs were fitted to enable limited control following engine failure in single engine UK military aircraft. Then we were told to remove them from the ones I flew in order to reduce the cost to the taxpayer.

[recceguy]

All of you

When it's time to leave believe me you leave !

And for the record, there has been some occurence (I know three of them) of the aircraft deciding to continue logging some hours after the driver left...

Now for some of you, I promise you will get some threads like

"belgian alpha-jet down". ."Dutch F16 in the sea". ."two french Mirage collide". ."RAF jaguar aborts take-off". ."spanish F4 crash"

you will have deserve it

[fantom]

and: only from my failing memory -no google- the gnat at valley,landed on the beach and we used the instruments salvaged in the groundschool to teach the newcomers;the F4 in scandahooliganland (single engine failure and the good engine shut down, possibly),the harrier over the wisbech area about '72. there must have been many more.. .I chose not to leave mine because we were still in biz at the time. we all hung on and got on the ground. no medals though. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

[TheWelshOne]

Why is it a when a pilot ejects, he 'obviously' loses control of the aircraft - I will have to ask an Engineer on that one!

. .Dewi - I was in Valley on Friday morning at 0830 -scary or what. Good job S4C got to you first!! Nice interview mate. Let me know when you going out next time for a beer in Llangefni or T-Y-R.

Baaaaaaaaa

[tim.dickinson]

Fortunately for the pilot, the chances of hitting a human lifeform within five miles of Valley are more remote than the chances of winning the lottery.

[Greg Baddeley]

Thanks, John and the rest of you for the replies! I'll use them next time this subject comes up; maybe it'll shut her up for once <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

[Don D Cake]

fantom

I was on the beach (Rhosneiger?) when the Gnat crashed. I must have been about 10 years old at the time so it puts it round about 1971. First I saw two parachutes opening over the sea, then we saw the aircraft, it was heading straight for the beach and us! I recall my father saying he was just about to grab us and chuck us behind some railway sleepers (old tank traps?), when the aircraft banked, turned and sort of landed itself, rather than crashed, in about three foot of water. Seems completely crazy now but most people on the beach, including me, went in to the sea and waded out to the crash site. Suppose it could have caught fire or exploded or anything.

You don't get beach entertainment like that anymore....

[Who has control?]

I seem to remember a MiG-27 (?) pilot ejecting over Poland and the aircraft crashing, with fatalities, in Belgium.

[Perky Penguin]

I do recall in the 70s an F4 pilot on detachment in Denmark got in a mess about which engine had failed and which was working and the abandoned aircraft hit a farm killing some people. You are right, not many people have been killed by being hit by military metal, in the form of aircraft at least!

[Perky Penguin]

Dan D Cake. I recall that crash at Valley, I was a QFI there then. I heard that some totally well meaning people stopped the pilot being dragged along the beach by jumping on his feet. As he had suffered two broken thighs in the ejection, and was being pulled by his parachute, his bones opened up a bit and his bone marrow leaked into his blood stream (Yuck!) and caused some further complications on the medical front He made a full recovery and I am sure was pleased that somebody had tried to help him.