Type rating costs in US

[SEV]

Hi Folks!
How much is the type rating like Airbus320 in US?. I know that it is cheaper than Europe.
What do you think is te reason???
Cheers.

[lpokijuhyt]

There is no difference between the Type Rating course. None. The price difference is because there are two sepaerate governing bodies, i.e the JAA and the FAA. Say that you are a European JAA pilot and you wish to save 15.000 euros on a B737 Type Rating by doing it in the USA. Even if you did your Type Rating in the US at a FAA and JAA approved center, the testing center does not issue you the license. Yes, they may be JAA approved in the USA, but that is not the end of the story. In order for the JAA to protect business they made it mandatory that there are certain maneuvers that must be performed in the actual aircraft...back in Europe. So, if you are not part of an airline then you will have to rent a B737 and do a couple maneuvers to satisfy this requirement. Could the maneuvers be performed in the sim back in the USA? Oh, hell ya. But it's all about the paperwork. And there is not one Type Rating School in the USA that will issue a license, issuing the license is the responsibility of the CAA of in whatever EU country your license was issued. This is unlikely to change because European TRTOs to a good job lobbying to government lawmakers who know nothing about aviation.

[SEV]

Thank´s for reply me. So in this case European must do the type rating in JAA countries and americans is US.

[MarkerInbound]

I think it would be closer to say for a JAA license you would have to finish the checkride in Europe - per lpokijuhyt's post. I know nothing about JAA regs. On an FAA certificate, if you already have a type or meet certain flight time numbers, you can do the whole checkride in a sim. There are some cases where you have to make a couple trips around the pattern in a plane to finish the FAA training/checking. If you can find a FAA approved program in Europe with a FAA TRE you could do it all there.

[FlyTCI]

If you guys check out the link below you will find some rather big changes of the way tyeprating rides will be done for a FAA typerating starting October 20th this year.

It won't affect folks who already have a turboJET type, but for those who don't you will have to do part of your checkride in the actual airplane. For those affected by this change it will mean a higher training cost.

Remember now, this is FAA and not JAA.

Electronic Code of Federal Regulations: (http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr;sid=5eab9c334b8d7b71c425d423c0ba4c9d;rgn=div2;vie w=text;node=20090821%3A1.34;idno=14;cc=ecfr;start=1;size=25)

[MarkerInbound]

It's acually not that big a change. There has always been the requirement to fly the plane unless you meet certain standards. Having another jet type (or turboprop for turboprop type), having 500 hours in type, having 1000 hours in types that require a type got you out of the pattern work if it is a level C or D sim. The big change is going to be you used to be able to avoid the pattern work if you had 2000 hours and 500 turbine, now it looks like the 500 hours turbine will have to be turbojet for jet types and turboprop for TP types. The present rules for ATPs are in 61.157(G) and 61.63(E)(F)and (G) for other grades of certificate. The NPRM for 61.158 says they are moving them all to one place.

[FlyTCI]

MI, it won't be a big change for those who already have a jet type, but for guys like me who does not have that but more than 500 hrs TP (current regs requirement) it makes a big difference. The training cost will probably go up by a couple of grand depending on aircraft. As I see it this will mostly affect younger guys/gals with less experience, or folks like me making the step from a TP into a jet.

I am fortunate enough to be in the right seat program at SimuFlite, which gives me a free type in exchange for my work, and began Citation X initial yesterday simply due to avoid the extra cost due to the new reg. I will beat it by a few days, puh :} .

[ATPMBA]

How did the FAA sneak this through?
They trashed the 2000 hour and 500 hours of TJ time rule that had worked for over 10 years.

:confused:

[MarkerInbound]

They snuck it in the same way they always do. There was a NPRM in Feb 2007 with 1900+ comments.

[FlyTCI]

The story I heard was that back this first surfaced back in 2006. A very, very old FAA gentleman was behind the idea, but it was swept under the rug until recently.

I guess with aviation running at full steam back then it would not work very well considering all the young inexperienced guys/gals being sucked by the regionals. Now when it's the opposite and there is an abundance of pilots on the market maybe they expected less resistance.

I spoke with an instructor at CAE SimuFlite today who said there is still strong opposition against this, but with only a few weeks to go I'm not sure time is on their side.

[PatagonianProud]

well
previous to oct 20 there was the supervised op exp restriction if one didnt have time on type (500 hours) etc but NOW much more elaborate on getting it removed. before it was just (B) 25 hours in the plane and log it. now they specifically state in the pic seat, the pic signs log and examiner attests....
and from what i read you must do part of the practical test in the real plane.
thank god i got my type last year ! a word of advice for those who dont want a supervised op experience type and dont have the 500 hours on type or 1000 turbojet is get a ce-500 type first for about 8 to 10 k. since you do the test in the plane you get an unrestricted type and then can go on and do the big boy all in the sim and no pic experience restriction....

[HiAltFlyer]

There are type ratings available for $8000, but there are flight time requirements for a unrestricted rating.