FTE / Flybe MAPS Phase 3

[CaptainDan]

Hi All,

Just received an email inviting me to stage 3 of the FTE / Flybe MAPS in Exeter. I am just wondering if anyone else here is attending, and also looking for a heads up on what to expect at the interview with the guys from FTE.

Cheers

CaptainDan

[con-1988]

are u going down the flybe ab initio with oaa route???

[CaptainDan]

Hey

No it's the ab initio route that they are running with Flight Training Europe down in Jerez. Conditional offer of a job with Flybe on completion of the course

You had any experience with OAA and Flybe?

CaptainDan

[con-1988]

unfortunatly i have no experience, but iv just got my OAA pack through today, looking to start my pilot training in the next few months, looking at ALL the options open to me, and spending lots of time reading all the differing arguments on here!

[widebodyboy]

Don't spend too much time an energy reading the arguments on here. There's a lot of negativity and jealousy about. Good luck!

[BigNumber]

Well said Widebodyboy, far too much negativity around.

The FTE / Flybe scheme sounds superb. Best of luck.

[Grass strip basher]

negativity..... reality..... pah whats the difference.... jump in.... the waters great.

Jealousy.... hmmm thats a new one.... why would the experienced pilots flying for airlines and offering advice in this forum be "jealous" of a wanabee about to spend 80k on an integrated course at FTE or OAA.... bizarre... please do explain...:hmm:

[BigNumber]

On an early then GSB!!

I managed to get a more civilised 0930 report.

[Grass strip basher]

Its not that early in Hong Hong!!... in fact very nearly the weekend!

[con-1988]

well as i said, im looking at all the options, and willing to look at what everyone has to say, as well as listening to myself and family. im 20, got two very cushty jobs atm, dont pay a massive amount but is gettin me by, untill i finally decide when and where to do me training, no university degree...but i love working hard so guna see where i end up hey!

[widebodyboy]

It's not only professional pilots offering "advice" on here, as we all know! If I'd listened to half the stuff I'd read on here I would never have gone through with pilot training. I finished the course in May and am in the holding pool for a job. Good luck for the Flybe MAPS. It's a brilliant course and things are looking brighter.

[CaptainDan]

Hi All,

Just got back from my assessment for the FTE / Flybe MAPS phase 3 in Exeter, and as expected it was pretty tough :( The whole selection process lasted about 5 hours and I was absolutely knackered by the end of it!

First of all there's 4 written tests to do including numeracy, numerical reasoning, verbal reasoning and maths and physics. After that there's an interview with a lady called Alison Sanger from FTE. She's really nice and puts you at ease on what is a very stressful day.

Finally, theres 4 pilapt tests to do on a laptop using a joystick and a keypad. This is the hardest part of the day I think.

To be honest I don't think I did well enough to get through to phase 4. There are 30 applicants in total through to phase 3 and only 6 places on the course.

Good luck to anyone who has their assessments Monday and Tuesday!

CaptainDan

[ant152]

I did the assesment monday morning... i think did average but the compeitition is going to be pretty strong across the board- they only invited I think 26 ppl out of the 200 that applied an apparently there are only 6 jobs :S...
All the best and hopefully se eyou in spain next yr
A

[UAV689]

ahh the innocence of youth...

how much is the course going to cost? 70k? so if there was no interest on the loan about 700 quid over 8 years? (but there is so perhaps payments will be more)

Average salary of FO around 28-30k - 1700 quid take home a month.

do the maths

1700 in
700 loan out
600 rent out
400 food/beer out
100 car out

= -100 quid a month...

You better look at the bankruptcy thread :}

[pilotho]

UAV, sacrifice a few of those things.

Beer, don't drink any.
Car, ride a bike.
Rent, share or if possible stay at home.

Anything is possible if you really want to do it. If it gives you an opportunity to start a career, why not make some sacrifice now and then when you earn more in future, enjoy life then.

[UAV689]

i agree, i am giving up a lot now in order to save for my training -

but

will you be able to live at home when flybe post you to the outer hebrides? ( i was talking about renting, you aint gonna get a mortgage with 70k loan over your head!!)

will you be able to live close enough to the airport to ride to work? will the captain apriciate you dripping with sweat and smelling to high heaven after cycling 5 miles to work. Will you want to bike back home in the dark after finishing work on lates?

I am sure you can trim down those numbers i quoted below, but it will still leave you a hand to mouth exisitance while your mates are giving you lifts in the back of their new beamers.

[BugSpeed]

UAV,

Wind your neck in.

You either want to fly or you dont. Its as simple as that.

Every line pilot (including myself) has sacrificed a hell of a lot, not just financially, to get where they want to be.

I can assure you, when I was an FO I most certainly did not have a hand to mouth existence! All of our FO's seem to be living a pretty comfortable life actually.

Quite frankly, whilst I respect the pragmatism, you have a defeatist attitude, we dont want you on our line.

Pilotho - "...Anything is possible if you really want to do it. If it gives you an opportunity to start a career, why not make some sacrifice now and then when you earn more in future, enjoy life then..." - well said.

BugSpeed

[UAV689]

Believe me I am not defeatist - i am a realist.

If I didnt want to fly as much as I do would I be currently working 2 jobs 7 days a week for the last 18 months and studing every night?

I dont want to put anyone off their dream, I just want people to realize the pitfalls of getting loaned up to their eyeballs, and the salaries they will be starting on.

Please please tell me that your not putting your folks house down as a secuirity on the loan...

To quote a great man WWW "teh wannbe zombie army marches on"

[Grass strip basher]

"when I was an FO I most certainly did not have a hand to mouth existence!".... a sh*t load has changed over the past few years....

[CaptainDan]

I agree with pilotho! I did my assessment on saturday and I know that the course is very expensive and yeh it will be tough for the first 5 or so years but it has always been my dream too and I will sacrifice anything to get to where I want to be.

It's more than just a job, it's a way of life!

It will all be worth it in the end.

[UAV689]

Christ, it's scary.

Follow your dream yes.

But What happens when in 2 years when your qualified and flybe ****can you as there is no requirement for crew? Just as you walk out of the school with your new blue book.



I am not saying don't train, go modular, save 30k, and you can still walk into flybe.

[TheBeak]

it has always been my dream too and I will sacrifice anything to get to where I want to be.

Careful there buddy. Even your parents home? It's not yours to sacrifice.

[CaptainDan]

By sacrifice anything TheBeak i didn't mean that to sound as if I have a blaazay attitude to securing my mum and dads house in order to get a loan... far from it. It is a big worry for me especially if Flybe turn round and stick me in a holding pool for god knows how long.

By sacrifice anything I meant goin out drinking and "enjoying" myself, which I am willing to do.

[TheBeak]

Ok good for you. Really think what you'll do if the worst happens the other end of the process. You have a better attitude to training than most, keep realistic and keep a healthy respect for the debt and you'll be fine.

[Rapha_BA]

Sorry, what was the question again? oh the flybe programme...for a second I thought it was about “how am I going to pay for my course” or “ do you think I’m stupid because I chose the integrated route?” The Etihad programme thread, the Flybe, the OAA Netjets, The BA SSP, Excell Airways/OAA...every single one of them, the same names, so called “airline pilots/pprune specialists”(for the ones who believe that’s true..) come in and ruin the conversation by drifting to the same subject (go modular, don’t spend, don’t get loans...)which to me, it is a personal choice. If the gentleman, CaptainDan, wants this sort of advice, I believe he would’ve asked for! Good luck mate, so far I’ve only heard good things about it.:ok:

[TheBeak]

Sorry,

So you should be.

The little boy in need of anger management is back.

[jordanpolonijo]

All my friends who have been through the intergrated route with CTC have told me to stay clear.

Two only managed 6month contracts with Easy and the BA guy is short of cash. The Loan is a killer.

Its an age old argument but now I think modular or working abroad is the way forward whilst doing training.

[Rapha_BA]

Yeah,he's back ! How are you?still a sad, frustrated person? Do you have a life now or still 24/7 online bringing negativity into pprune? It's a fact that you are here everyday,and your comments are never helpfull,like a bully really,when do you fly,do you have time?Well,poor you pilot wanna-never-be!

[TheBeak]

Well,poor you pilot wanna-never-be!

I see what you have tried to do there but it has backfired. Your statement implies I am a pilot, which I am. If a wannabe = wants to be then surely a wanna-never-be = is?

I offer my advice, you offer your drivel. It's funny you should bring up bullying - you come across as someone who has been. It's ok, we're not all bullies Rapha.:{ You're either that, an FTOs creation or a plant by PPRUNE.

Anyway, please do have your thread back guys and girls, FLYBE are a good airline and it's great that you are trying to be selected from the start - but be careful with the finances and your choice between MPL or CPL/IR.

[MVE]

Keep an eye on Flight ref- Flybe. All good things come to those that wait....perhaps that was a bit melodramatic. Rumour is they are about to recruit externally.....:D

[CaptainDan]

Wow... that got a bit heated! Thanks for all the advice and info guys / gals :)

[Rapha_BA]

Yeah whatever The beak.....CaptainDan did you check the Cathay Pacific programme?7 years bond but hey,they pay for your licence:ok:

[Oranguzee]

second that.Cathay will be accepting cadets year round.

[Otto Throttle]

Well, this thread is certainly proof that you shoudn't do drugs. What are some of you guys actually on? :rolleyes:


As far as training and finances are concerned, do what works for you, and as far as the argument about cost vs reward, just make sure you come into this job with your eyes wide open and that you are sure of your motivations for wanting to get into aviation. It's not for everyone (yet, you'll still find guys who've been at it for years who have moaned about it since the day they started and are still moaning like a whore even now.....:ugh:), but there are many, many guys who really wouldn't do anything else regardless of what the pitfalls may be.


Turning to Flybe, they have already started recruiting externally. I believe there is a substantial number of little fishes being scooped out of the holding pool and onto a course in the next few weeks. It is likely that more will follow at an as yet unspecified point in time, and there are others still who will be invited in for a swim in their place.

Not everything in this life is doom and gloom.

[fiveo]

Flybe have already began recruiting externally???

[The Mixmaster]

Otto -these fishes are Flybe cadets through their respective MAPS schemes. To claim they are recruiting externally is some way wide of the mark! Unless of course you know of anything more than the MAPS boys and girls?

[Maverick8701]

Watch this space...............! Although don't expect anything untill the new year courses in Feb and end of March.

[Keygrip]

I've just read 37 scabby messages - ONE of which has a VERY basic suggestion as to what to expect at interview - and 36 arguments between so called professionals.

If you want this kind of chat, start a facebook account - don't try hide it under an elitist thread name.

Now PM PPRuNe management and try to convince them that this thread is worthy of being re-opened.