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bloomboy10
19th Aug 2009, 16:35
Does anyone know the status of the first 2 DHL 767-300Fs that will be operated by DHL UK? I have heard that the delivery dates from Boeing were late and that they then had to go for the winglet mod before they start operating them sometime in Oct.

Latest rumor is that now the first is to operate LEZ to JFK beginning Sept. 13, 2009.

Daft Wader
19th Aug 2009, 17:51
Believe one G-DHLE has been ferried to GSO for pre delivery mods , winglets ,etc etc .

GSO = Piedmont Triad International Airport (PTIA) Greesnboro, NC.

May the farce be with you

Daft Wader

:ok:

fingal flyer
19th Aug 2009, 20:53
Yep,
Picked up yesterday,gone for the winglets and should be in EMA on 9 sept.

yunvi?
19th Aug 2009, 22:58
Does this mean they will hire F/Os soon? I hear there are guys already in a hold pool.

MrIkea
20th Aug 2009, 12:51
At DHL they say first flight 13 Sept.

No hiring forseen, as the 767 is crewed with DHL UK & EAT pilots. And they will be firing EAT crews again in the near future...(So crewing for 767 must be complete)

Maybe some hiring at DHL UK for the 757, Leipzig based, and chances of getting a jumpseat are becoming slimmer...

bloomboy10
20th Aug 2009, 14:26
DHL Flight 909, DC8-73F (Astar Air Cargo, formerly DHL Airways - US) will depart LEZ on Sunday afternoon September 13th on a direct flight to KCVG.

This will be the last DC-8-73F international flight that has supported DHL while they have been waiting for the B767-300F to complete its mods and begin service on the LEZ-JFK route.

utopik
20th Aug 2009, 15:37
Dear Mr Ikea,

can you give some more details?

Who are "they"?

Po Boy
21st Aug 2009, 02:50
Are there any other DHL 767 operators in Europe or the United States? Has DHL purchased any other 767's for expansion purposes?

Black Knat
21st Aug 2009, 07:38
Hi Utopic.
To answer your question you need to ask a simple question and that is 'what purpose is EAT to DHL?' If you look at it from that point of view then you should be able to have an idea where things are going.
The basic facts over the last year are:
1) BRU operations have been wound down due to move to LEJ
2) The AOC is now moving to LEJ, hence the aircraft registration and operations.

There were historical reasons why BRU and EAT were important to DHL. These either no longer apply or are about to be so. Put yourself in the shoes of DHL and ask how you would make the company operations cheaper and more efficient. It's reasonably logical where things are heading if you think along these lines.
Obviously these comments are only my opinion, but hope they are of help.
Best regards,
BK

Icebear2710
21st Aug 2009, 17:41
Hi Po Boy,

767 is new to Europe and has been used by DHL only in the U.S. so far. But those were/are all -200 Conversions.

ABX in the States still uses quite a lot of 767-200. Many (all?) of them in yellow livery. But I think DHL (or better Deutsche Post) sold ABX last year. (at least the share they were allowed to have) All work for DHL ABX is now doing on the 767 is ACMI. (Like BRU-LOS-BRU on ABX's 767-200)

To my knowledge in the States only ASTAR is still in partial ownership of Deutsche Post/DHL (49%). But no 767 there.

In 2007 six 767-300ER Freighter were ordered by DHL. 3 of them are coming now. What will happen to the next bunch? I don't know. DHL's 767-300ERF Freighter is the first of that type to be registered in Europe.

No further 767 have been bought for conversion. (wouldn't make sense, because with the delay of the 787, market rate/value of 767 is still very high) Should DHL consider 767 for fleet replacement/growth, they definitely gonna wait until the 787 frees 767 in good numbers. But again, no plans have been revealed to buy ANY aircraft. And nobody knows yet what the successor of the 757/A300 in Europe will be. Could well be "younger" 757 that are to be converted. Just remember how long the 727 was flying for DHL. So the 757 might stay in the fleet another 20 odd years. However, when DHL bought those 757 from BA around millenium turn, talks were there already about running a 757/767 mixed fleet in/from Europe very soon. But, since then only the rumours have never stopped. The 767 that finally are coming now will only be used for longhaul. They don't suit in the European Network. Not much mixed fleet flying for the pilots either. Will be initially run as a separate fleet. (you fly 757 OR 767)

Po Boy
21st Aug 2009, 22:03
IceBear2710,

Thank you so much for your detailed reply, I recall reading the announcement about DHL's purchase of those 767-300ERF, and was wondering about their delivery dates and who would be flying them or where they would end up (USA or Europe)?

Was thinking those aircraft would be operated by ABX or Astar, from the USA to Europe or from Europe to the USA by European crews (DHL UK or EAT).

Exploring employment opportunities, 747 pilot out of work and wouldn't mind getting into the 767.

Thanks again!

Po Boy

tommypilotairbus
28th Aug 2009, 16:41
@ MrIKEA

Where did you get the information EAT will be firing more crews in the near future??

MrIkea
10th Sep 2009, 13:25
We'll see with the AOC transfer... Nothing positive can come from that for the "Belgians"

As for now everything is quiet... maybe even a bit too quiet. At the moment freight is luckely picking up, and let us hope it stays like that. Which is, if you follow the worldwide economical situation not a 100% guaranteed thing. On the contrary.

Anyway I'm not convinced that this is the end of the crappy situation we all experience...

Best of luck!

MrIkea
10th Sep 2009, 13:30
And by the way,

First flight will be 13 Sept BRU - LOS ,

So first a/c will do the LEJ-BRU-LOS-BRU-LEJ rotation...

Greetz!

Mr.White
10th Sep 2009, 18:17
Hi there!

Does anyone has the chief 767 DHL pilot email??. You can PM.

Tks in advance

Mr.White:ok:

Day_Dreamer
10th Sep 2009, 18:49
The first flight will be to JFK, unless things have changed since last night which is quite possible.
Second 767 G-DHLF in Greensboro, third on its way in October.
Base training in EMA was on the 8th and 9th.

No direct recruitment as DHL Air already has recruited 767 drivers with right to work in EU, but these will only fly the 757 until the next batch of 767's arrive.

Operations from Lej-Jfk-Lej, Ema-Jfk-Ema, and Ema-Cvg-Ema for the time being.

Anouncement about jobs etc supposed to be made on the 16th September, this will in all probability spell the end of EAT Brussels and the bringing forward of the date for the new EAT Germany.
Currently ALL new hires will be based in Leipzig, this is in all job categories.
Redundancies are within the A300 fleet which over the past few weeks has been rundown, alternativly there is some retraining on the B.757 but Lej based.

PM if you want further info.

MrIkea
11th Sep 2009, 11:47
Jup, my mistake, it is still ABX Air who is doing BRU-LOS
Misread the roster :)

Anyway it is strange that they are operating BRU-LEJ aswell now!

Sigh, that openskies deal is the worst which has ever happend for cargo ops in europe!
(ex. fedex/ups etc...)

underread east
11th Sep 2009, 13:09
Future 767s unlikely to be pax conversions either - floor level too high to take a double row.

Mr.White
11th Sep 2009, 13:17
Mr.Ikea

It looks that you have preatty good info from inside, are already in DHL.UK?

Before apply I would like to know couple things to know if its worthy.............

Whats the pay check (monthly) before tax and after tax?????

Do you pay tax in UK or Germany?

Do you have roster, or you dont know where you are gonna be in 3 days like other cargo airlines?

How many days off, monthly?

Tks in advance!

Mr.White:ok:

Da Do Ron Ron
11th Sep 2009, 13:19
and Ema-Cvt-Ema, now that's a nice short sector, home in time for tea :)

Mr.White
11th Sep 2009, 13:23
Mr.Ikea

It looks that you have preatty good info from inside, are you already in DHL.UK?

Before apply I would like to know couple things to know if its worthy.............

Whats the pay check (monthly) before tax and after tax?????

Do you pay tax in UK or Germany?

Do you have roster, or you dont know where you are gonna be in 3 days like other cargo airlines?

How many days off, monthly?

You can PM me

Tks in advance!

Mr.White:ok:

underread east
11th Sep 2009, 22:29
I think Day Dreamer means EMA-CVG-EMA. Don't think CVT trip quite merits a 767!

Da Do Ron Ron
12th Sep 2009, 14:47
underread eastI think Day Dreamer means EMA-CVG-EMA. Don't think CVT trip quite merits a 767!

Gear Up, Gear Down :}

underread east
12th Sep 2009, 20:27
I agree - would be lovely to do. But ain't gonna happen sadly.

euroflyer
14th Sep 2009, 08:52
First flight LEJ-JFK tomorrow morning for the new 767 reg. G-DHLE replacing the DC-8.

Rgds

Day_Dreamer
14th Sep 2009, 10:39
Nope
Not tomorrow as there is a Tech problem.
May be a few days yet.

Sam Crow
14th Sep 2009, 15:19
They put one of the winglets on back to front and no one noticed :E

hvydriver
15th Sep 2009, 01:05
:eek:Maybe they misplaced their jet keys, or something?

RingwaySam
15th Sep 2009, 11:06
Off back to Greensboro today by the looks of it! :ooh:

MrIkea
15th Sep 2009, 14:58
@ Mr. White

For DHL UK I don't know the situation that well, but for now, LEJ-based, on a UK contract... so I suppose you pay tax in the UK.

At the moment 10 people in the holding pool and no hiring forseen in the near future.
(Recently 2 EAT capt's transferred to DHK, but besides that nothing is moving from what I hear)

Rosters are published 2 months in advance if I'm correct, and are unstructured... But the days should stay fixed.

But to be honest I don't think they will be hiring soon, and surely not at EAT. Only internal transfers.

Hope to be of help.

Mr.White
15th Sep 2009, 15:19
Mr.Ikea, Tks for the answer!!!!

Mr.White:ok:

spitIX
18th Sep 2009, 10:22
Mr White,

First an update on the 767's. The first one has gone back to Greenborough because, as i understand it, the winglet is chaffing the leading edge slat and aileron (spotted by chance by an eng looking at the led lights on wingtip) The second arrived for it's winglet fitting but has lost a load of paint, so is off back to seattle for repainting. No 767 ops anytime soon then!

Secondly. There was a fixed roster until jan this year which was arbitrarily withdrawn with no good reason, much to the disapproval of the crews. The roster is now flexi! Most crews very unhappy at the moment, relationship with management is poor as there is very little communication or consultation. A recent govt approved independent poll for BALPA revealed an overwheming decision in favour of BALPA as the union of choice, but the management signed a sweetheart deal with the IPF instead(not 1 person voted for the IPF in the poll).

The 767 will be operating outside of CAP 371, the CAA has allowed this as long as DHL Air have a robust FRMS in place to monitor fatigue issues, which have long been ignored on the 757 fleet. Eventually the aim is to have everyone operating both types.

Morale is very low. But as the erstwhile DFO points out frequently, they are lucky to have jobs, if you don't like it leave!

I believe the salary scales are on PPJN. Captains are working quite hard at the moment, F/O's not so much. POssibility of more recruitment later in the year, but I think maybe for F/O's only. As soon as the market picks up there will be a mass exodus though so mid/long term, recruitment will be quite good!

Only recruiting for the LEJ base. At the moment quite a few crews commute in from various locales in europe. This was part of the culture and lifestyle but has recently been frowned upon by management and their lives made more difficult.

Pay is in UK and tax is payed there unless you live abroad and want to pay in your country of residence. There is talk of a possibility to be payed in euros to a german bank from 2012. An indication I think that the whole airline could be moving there in the not too distant future.

Hope this helps

Mr.White
18th Sep 2009, 13:01
Helps a lot. Tks!

Mr.White:ok:

MrIkea
19th Sep 2009, 17:24
So, it's finally flying...

left jfk around 10lt, should be @ lej around 00.00lt tonight...

G-DHLE

Sam Crow
19th Sep 2009, 18:07
yeha....................................:ok:

Day_Dreamer
24th Sep 2009, 15:22
Just released from DHL.
DHL Air to get the next 3 767's taking the fleet to 6 aircraft.
Deliveries to continue into 2012.
Third aircraft expected next month.
First now operational ex Lej.

PAPI-74
1st Oct 2009, 05:59
What is the base like at LEJ -
Friendly?
Fairly English speaking?
Schools?
Housing costs?
Nice area?
Safe?

Usual stuff!
I would need to de-camp and take out my wife and 3 children.

mumsilein49
1st Oct 2009, 06:55
YES,they DO have schools in Germany
YES, there are lots of nice spots around, in and out of the city;lakes, mountains, Berlin, Prague, the Baltic not too far,
Yes, people Do speak English as well, albeit not everybody,
Yes, it is more safe than Siberia, Nigeria or the east side of London,
Yes, they even have houses there, and the price tag is lower than in most parts of Germany,
Yes, I would not hesitate to go there for a job--but I`m retired, thanks god:}