LHR-SFO vv

[OpsControl]

Hi Fellow Dispactchers

I'm tasking to plan the a/m route
All I know is that departure frm either LHR and SFO
is outside the normal published NATS ( Eastbound or Westbound ) tracks
Can anyone PM me ATC portion of both outbound and inbound routes
ETD LHR is 0200Z and ETD SFO is 0900Z
AC A345-500

Appreciate yr help
Any useful comments and inputs welcome

OC

[HHI OPS]

Hi,

sorry could you confirm you would like to have a valid route from LHR to SFO?

[Grasscarp]

If you have a computerised flight planning system this will produce the ATC portion for you. If you are being asked to do this manually then the best help is this address NAT PCO (http://www.nat-pco.org/)
On this site the MNPS document has sample flight plans.

[OpsControl]

@HHI Ops ..Thats rite Mate
LHR/SFO etd 0100Z
SFO/LHR etd 0900Z

@Grasscarp ... I can't seem to locate the sample plans website
Can you tell me whereabouts

Anyone else,if you cud,will mean a great deal if you cud assist me
I'm trying to avoid BIRD FIR and possibly Greenland due terrain

Tnks Mate

OC

[HHI OPS]

@OC: copied. I won't be in town for a couple of days. If no one have a route until Saturday I will post one here.

[OpsControl]

@HHI OPS: Roger and Tnks Mate

OC

[Grasscarp]

On the NAT PCO site is access to MNPSA which is the bible on all the requirements. Very last annex 4 has everything required on the plan.
In the body of the flight planning section (4.1) is a link to a site which has this info, plus sample plans. (in the flight planning section) I tried copying the link but when transferred to here it doesnt work.
It is a yellow circular UK AIC 55/2003.

[OpsControl]

@Grasscarp:That was one useful pointer ...Tnks alot
I really appreciate that

I just need a peek how other carriers plan or have a prefered route for this sector especially when NATS tracks are active and conflicting

You can PM me the route only ( ie ICAO Item 18 entry )

Tnks

OC

[HHI OPS]

You still need it?

[HeathrowAirport]

Can you use NAT Tracks past a certain time? Westbound or am I right in saying they have to be a random routing? Due eastbound tracks.

[OpsControl]

@HHI OPS --Yes Sir ...Just the routing
for the said departure, AVOIDing Greenland FIR
Random routing:
ETD LHR 0200Z/SFO
ETD SFO 0900Z/LHR

@Heathrow Airport
If the expired tracks is not conflicting with then active tracks
Then expired tracks can be used as random rtng

Alternative is to fly random based on shortest dist, fuel or other considerations
Usually the great circle is ideal under normal circumstances
Random route must also not be conflict with active tracks for the day

OC