Collegiality?

[squares]

A recent debate has cropped up amongst my colleagues/friends which has split us pretty much down the middle. What does it mean to be collegial?

Is the guy who takes multiple sick leaves in a year to go attend bucks nights back home, see friends and family or just because he can’t be bothered with that destination this week, uncollegial, or is the guy who dobs him in worse?

In this economic climate when we’re asked to take SLS to ‘help the company in its time of need’, is it acceptable to stand by and knowing let your colleagues act dishonestly or is it an employee’s duty to speak up in the best interest of the company?

Who is more disliked? The individual who brazenly and openly couldn’t care less about biting the hand that feeds, or the whistle blower?

[blah blah blah]

Long flight?

[Max Reheat]

Definitely the whistle blower!

The company will, over a period of time, identify the malingerers and deal with them accordingly.

My advice to any would be splitters is... just do your job.

"Never miss the opportunity to 'Shut the f:mad:k up'!"

[And Then]

For the Dragonair guys. This is another thread reconfirming my thoughts that we should stay separate from Cathay Pilots.

As pilots, they seem to hate each other, more than anyone else. Perverse I know. I think they have been made that way by their management.

[treboryelk]

simple solution: sack the whistle blower and give the malingerer a quick lesson in pulling weight...behind the bike-shed!

[T101]

The other name for "whistle blower" is SNITCH! Would you like to be one?

It is naive to think that any company has YOUR best interest as its priority. Mind your own business.

Unbelievable...

[Rook]

Max Reheat hit the nail on the head. The company monitors that stuff.

[squares]

Slow down a sec and stop assuming I’m a snitch. I never have snitched and I don’t plan to; it doesn’t mean the issue doesn’t bug me. Speaking up will do nothing but jeopardize my own job and like the rest of you, I’m looking out for number 1. Attacking me is not the same as giving an opinion.

T101- the best thing for the company is for everyone to work towards a common goal. The company thrives, we keep our jobs. Everyone acts selfishly, the company suffers and we all in one way or another feel it.

And then - not like you care at all, but the guy inspiring me to post this thread is KA. He called in sick last night after securing a note from his very cooperative doctor and will land in SYD in a couple of hours for a few days off on KA’s tab. It’s not the 1st time he’s boasted publicly about it and he’s been getting away with it for the couple of years I’ve known him.

Max Reheat and Rook - unfortunately, my money is on him not getting caught.

[Itchydog]

Squares
I think you just snitched. :uhoh:

[turnandburn]

not everything is what it seems maybe, I know i am being dispatched under MEL due my illness currently intermittent until specialists can figure it out. Not very nice

P.S. Find shangri la dubai ****ter most peaceful of outports.

[OldChinaHand]

Rather libellous Squares, casting a slur on this person when they are certified unfit by a registerered medic.

[ALPHA FLOOR]

Squares, I here you brother. Keep up the good work!!!:ok:

[And Then]

You get sick a lot at KA. On board catering a regular culprit before we even consider operations into China where allowances and hotel standards have been cut.

I've flown in a lot of places and the KA operation is the worst for general well being. Just have a look at the guys ! Sign off after 11pm prior a day off, spend your days off fighting a China bug.

The operation is so bad that's why we are top heavy in middle management pilots. They don't want to do overnights in the God forsaken, sub-standard hotels. Have a look at the GMO's line. The Chief Pilot's line. The training dept. Overnights ? Ha.

So KA guys are very often crook and some wear it as an honor.

And you are a disgraceful snitch with whom aviation karma will come home to roost !

[2longhk]

You are most definitely a low life and the company will recognize your disloyalty to your so called friend as exactly that. You are a traitor,spy,snitch and no-one respects you.
Any persons sickness is confidential, did it ever occur to you that he may not be telling you accurate information about his illness as its none of your business. There are numerous reasons why someone may not be fit to fly an a/c. It is against the law to fly if not 100%.
Aviation would be better off without you...

[cxlinedriver]

The scum pulling sick days does no harm to the company. They just give the rest of us reserve and O days. So the rest of us get the ****s with crap rosters and disrupts working for the scum.

Still, I wont drop him in. In time the company will sort him out.

You could grow a pair and confront the scum. Tell him he is only dicking his work mates around. Perhaps he would like to start working on his reserve and O days.

[AD POSSE AD ESSE]

COUGH, COUGH, COUGH....:yuk:

[Humber10]

'squares', if this isn't a wind up, you sound like a good candidate for management. :}

[Liam Gallagher]

Prejudice is such an ugly trait....

does the phrase "ready...fire..aim" mean anthing to you?:uhoh:

[IFB]

Give the guy a break. Chaps only asking a question!

We all know we get ill because of various reasons doing this job, but as we must be 100% fit to fly, even minor illness will see us off work. It is also true to say that when ill the last thing you need is questions from your work collegues or even worse somebody telling the company they think you may be swinging the lead.

That said what do you do about an individual who is always claiming to be off sick when you know 110% he is in the pub/on holiday. The question is not about somebody who you have doubts about, but somebody who you know is taking the p:mad:! Most of the time it will have little or no effect on you, but how would you feel if his pretend sick days directly cost you money or a special occasion with family etc.


Case in point:

Pilot called in sick at last minute (was infact downtown with his mates!) Other crew member who was on ovetime has his roster changed to cover for the sickness, but as a result of the changes loses much of his overtime payment.

Trip to the bike shed in this instant would seem the appropriate course of action, but when the guy pulling a sickie shows no remorse and you know he has done it before and will do it again, who is the low life then?

Before you all get on your high horse and shoot squares down in flames think about this:

If an individual steals constantly (be it money, time off or anything else you consider of value) either directly or indirectly from you or your mates. - What would you do?

[ken qv]

It's none of your business "who" called in sick or "why", imo.
Do your job and mind your own business, while knowing you choose to
have a better work ethic than some people.

[DexyDogg]

squares, seriously; what are you thinking, man.... a debate about when to go to management about a mate's supposed 'sick call'? If he wants to spout off and you think it's poor form, grow some hair down there and tell him you think so. And that you aren't one of the guys that wants to hear about it his antics... Or maybe you really do want to hear about it...

You could easily transfer to join the cabin crew; that way you can report away to your heart's content about any little item that might stray from "the company's best interests". Or anything you just don't like.... Either way, get your pen ready; you are going to be one busy boy! :}

You work for a company that has it's own Sickness Management Program. If there is blatant abuse, it will be dealt with in true CX form.

Finally, when I hear of whistle blowing, I think of things that involve public/workplace safety, not about a guy going sick to attend a party. I don't necessarily condone it, but it's really none of your business.

From what I hear, there are job vacancies for the Hat Police up in the office. Give it a go. Best of luck. :yuk:

[moonbug]

An interesting debate Squares.


A colleague that calls in sick when he is not, is demonstrating poor collegiality. He is delibrately deceiving his doctor, his company and worse..... unloading his shift on a fellow pilot.


A colleague that exposes another is also demonstrating poor collegiality. After all we are work mates and ratting on colleagues is just as bad.


Judgement on which act is worse will vary by our personalities.


So to answer your question, if I am of an “Ally personality”, my “sick” colleague will not have done anything wrong. And anyone who dares to snitch on him is lower than a weasel.


Whereas, if my personality is an "Opportunist" i.e, one who expects personal accountabilty to be very high, I would demand the exposure of the slacker.


Unfortunately I'll decline judgement on the discussion. Im recovering from sickness by having another beer.:}

[Rook]

You just never know what is really going on in a persons life. This person could be calling in sick for a reason that is very personal and is trying to cover up. You just don't know unless it's you.
If you start creating a culture where pilots are reporting pilots, then people will start going to work when they shouldn't. Safety will be compromised and ironically more people will end up sick as viruses are brought to work. The company monitoring system is there to stop any bad trends, or help that person if there is a real problem. I believe this really is the best you can do to stop bad apples.
Our job is taking care of one ship at a time, not the whole fleet.
Cheers

[CMOTDibler]

......Dr Parkinson declared "I'm not surprised to see you here, you've got smokers cough from smoking, liver cirrhosis from drinking beer. I don't know how you came to get the Betty Davis knees but worst of all young man you've got industrial disease!
He wrote me a prescription he said 'you are depressed, I'm glad you came to see me to get this off your chest. Come back and see me later, next patient please, send in another victim of industrial disease.......".

Perhaps there is a lot of this going around at the moment..........

[treboryelk]

we could have had this debate in primary school. back then there was always the little snitch who would run to the teacher. invariably a pathetic individual who we all despised for his/her actions while the rest of us would refuse to tell. it is no different now. those pathetic individuals who we may have shared early school days with will, without some serious nurture, turn into adults who are equally pathetic and run and tell.

that still doesnt stop you from being a little disgruntled at those who take sick leave as if it was an entitlement.....once every couple of months and joke about reserve cover being there to be used. i would much rather these guys actually did their F***ing job and not leave it to the reserve roster to cover their selfish efforts to maximise time at home, especially when commuting.