Lido - who use it?

[HHI OPS]

Hey guys,

I was wondering which airlines work with LIDO?
I know already:

LTU/Air Berlin
KLM
Lufthansa

[merlinxx]

I use a Lido, tis full of water, can't control it:{ Is that yr CFP/Dispatch prog:}

[boredcounter]

DHK/BCS (DHL Air UK / European air transport)
BOX(?) (AeroLogic)

The above may show a trend ;-)



QTR/QR used to, not sure about now.

[j_davey]

Csa do ...i think?

[Lauderdale]

The girls & boys in Hangar89 do as well.....apparantly it doesn't do exactly what it said it would do on the tin......apparantly the advertising standards agency is getting involved!

:}

[Endeavour]

bmi have used LIDO for A330 dispatch since 2001.

[Nuwan]

QR still uses Lido...
It seems Lido is much easier than others....

[HHI OPS]

BMI A330 OFPs are planned by Lufthansa Dispatch in FRA

[zamil]

Emirates use Lido as well...

[HHI OPS]

They do? Since when?

[jackdaniels]

Alitalia and BA uses lido... until now the best software in the market

[ferratini]

TAP Portugal.

[Austin_Danger_Powers]

here are some Lido user:

- Qantas
- Air Canada ( 1st external customer )
- United Airlines
- Tunisair
- Lufthansa
- Lufthansa Cargo
- Lufthansa Cityline
- Condor
- Swiss
- Easy Jet
- Emirates
- Kuwait Air
- Fed ex
- Korean
- Qatar Air
- Saingapore Airlines
- SAS
- Air Berlin
- Alitalia
- Air France / KLM
- TAP
- British Airways
- Virgin Atlantic
- Germanwings
- Finnair
- Aerologic
- Varig / Gol
- UPS


and many many more.....

by the way:
already 40% of all european flights are calculated with LIDO.

[HHI OPS]

Thanks guys :)

[Lauderdale]

- Virgin Atlantic



Uhm.......VS? Austin Danger Powers, VS are DEFINITELY not a LIDO FP customer (they use F:WZ) and therefore other participants on this forum should also take you "40%" claim with a kilo of salt....

Maybe you would like to enlighten us how Hangar89 are loving LIDO and are optimizing like there is no tomorrow with all the crews loving it.....

Exactly - 'nuff said......

Just as an after thought.....anyone ever wonder why bmi who use LIDO for their A330 dispatch chose to stay well clear of LIDO for their new FP system?

[Schibulsky]

@ Lauderdale
Looks like you have a kind of obsession, every time LIDO is mentioned on this forum you pipe in with your negative comments.
Bad experience? Being paid by some other provider?
Anyway, its a fact that its a good system and even with the huge price tag most of the leading airlines choose it...looks like a very successful system after all.:ok: BTW the LIDO sales guys are top notch (that might be your problem :p), not yet matched by the support team :uhoh:
But when Austin got one airline wrong its reason to question everything!:ugh:

Happy planning everybody whatever system you use!

[Austin_Danger_Powers]

@Lauderdale

Correction:
VS is not using LIDO OC. They just use the LIDO electronic Flight Bag ("Skybook")

and by the way: just check Lufthansa Systems - Full-Service - Airline - Aviation - IT-Provider (http://www.lhsystems.de) and you will find every detail about the 40% (LIDO calculated OFP´s within europe) and much more.

All BMI longrange OFP´s are calculated by LH Dispatch. BMI never did that on their own, because they dont have any experiance in calculating ETOPS OFP´s.

Most mayor airliners worldwide are working with LIDO and they know why.Seems that your Airline is not using it. Bad luck for you.

so long stranger.....

[Lauderdale]

Shibulsky - having worked with a airline for over 10 yrs who used lido I can best describe it as marrying a russian mail order bride, you're all excited when you when see it and its all roses before she arrives, after your married all she is after is your money.

In regards to the sales guys - I am not in the market to buy a sales guy, I want a CFPS.....

ADP - the topic of the post is flight planning systems not EFB's. :ugh:

[Austin_Danger_Powers]

@lauderdale:

All above named Airlines except VS are using LIDO OC and not just the EFB.

So whats your ******* problem :suspect:

[Buzzz]

Just a small correction, GOL do not currently use LIDO for flight planning, but maybe for other services.

Haven't used LIDO myself so not going to comment on it...

Cheers,

Buzzz

[ozmahseer]

All above named Airlines except VS are using LIDO OC and not just the EFB.


for the record, Qantas do NOT use LIDO, it is true that it was attempted, but after much time, effort and progress..... the project canned.

[Lauderdale]

Austin Danger Powers;


So whats your ******* problem


First of all would you mind refraining from taking such an agressive attitude - there is really no need for it and only reflects on yourself. Thank you.

All above named Airlines except VS are using LIDO OC and not just the EFB.

So all the airlines 'above named' use LIDO aside from VS....and GOL....and Qantas....anymore? Someone else questioned Emirates as well....

The reason these LIDO postings annoy me (Schilbulsky) is that they always end up being a rather flat line sales pitch (in-house?) why the system is so good. Many of us here know flight planning inside out, so give us some technical insight why you think LIDO is the best system outthere. All I have done is question the system based on experience - I have used specific examples which are open to your counter opinion.

And just in regards to this one again:

LIDO sales guys are top notch

Anyone with an ounce of serious experience within this industry will know exactly what I mean when I say IATA fuel audits in regards to the above quote - so please don't go down that road.

So if we can please refrain from going down the MOL road of communications I look forward to some specific examples why you think it's the beeeez kneeeez.

In the meantime am quite happy with my Danish CFPT! :ok:

[Austin_Danger_Powers]

Someone else questioned Emirates as well....

EK definitely uses LIDO. Believe me, i already calculated OFP s there with the System. ;)

Witch small county hopping Airline are you working for?

[Schibulsky]

Hi Lauderdale, I never said LIDO is the best, I was just wondering about your attacks. I was using LIDO from day 1 with LH. I would call it the "dark ages of LIDO"...lots of teething problems. But basically the system is nowadays very successful, and that is simply because it performs well. I dont know what your specific examples are, you were mostly using scryptic hints for the "guys with experience within the industry".
What about the guys who handles the output of a FPL system? I talked to a friend at CFMU/IFPS and he confirmed that LIDO generated ATC plns are much less likely to be rejected and if they were, its a 50/50 chance that the IFPS is wrong! And I met a lot of pilots who could not believe that the fuel consumption was almost all the time identical with the OFP numbers.
When it comes to optimization it sometimes takes some experience to guide the system towards the optimum, thats mainly because of too many options like min time/fuel/cost. I never met anybody who switched to LIDO and was missing his former system.
At the end LIDO gives you what you pay for. Its basically like a BMW, initially nicely priced but with a huuuuuge list for expensive extras attached.
And YES, we are using LIDO at Emirates :ok:

BTW I also dont like the LIDO sales guys...but I couldnt care less:p

@Austin: please cool down a bit :cool:

[hlz8181]

Got another one to cross out on the list guys!
Korean Air - you guessed it. They don't use Lido....
Not 100% sure about Air France, but my money says they don't either...

[Lauderdale]

Schibulsky - thank you for you constructive reply and it forms the basis for a healthy discussion and exchange of information which at the end of the day is what we are all here for.

Austin Danger Powers


Witch small county hopping Airline are you working for?


Apart from the fact that I do not fly on a broomstick (witch??).......


Korean Air - you guessed it. They don't use Lido....



Enough said......:zzz:

[Schibulsky]

Guys, I think the discussion about what the "best" system is rivals only the endless and fruitless discussion "Boeing or Bus".
There are too many different users with different needs and budgets.
I am quite happy with LIDO and for worldwide operating airlines with ETOPS and other special operations its IMHO very good. Provided you have enough money:uhoh:
Its still fun to show the younger dispatchers how LIDO can be worked to squeeze out the last drop and save the requested load or make a hopeless flight a go! But like with all pieces of IT that we have to use...I sometimes like to take some heavy object and smash the :mad: screen.
LIDO basically entered the market with an inventive system based on latest technology when the rest of the competitors were sleeping happily on their achievements of the past.
But recently LH systems is making a common error by outsourcing key data maintenance to countries with lower wages and subsequently eroding the quality of the product :ugh:
Lets watch and see...

[Lauderdale]

Schibulsky - totally 100% agree in regards to the futility of having a discussing as to what is the 'better' system. Horses for courses in the sense that you would not get a LIDO system if you are a 5 tail regional operator. Equally I suppose you would not use AirData if you operate a large fleet with complex operations (ETOPS etc).

I do see tremendous value however in using these forums (in the literal sense of the word) to share information on tools of the trade. From funky stuff all the way down to the bits that make you want to tear your hair out but perhaps can be resolved through some user experience shared here.

For example - I have been told that 'your' system uses auto rwy end selection by reading TAFs etc. Is this something that is functional and you as an airline have found a useful feature?

HHI Ops I am not thread hijacking and will happily start a new one to cover this type of discussion.

:ok:

[Schibulsky]

Yep...we have this feature, it works fine, you first have to sort the rwy so the most preferential rwy is checked first and than down to the least. That is done once by the back office.
Basically Lido checks all arr/dep/altn airports and ETOPS airports for suitability incl. Wx, Notams, curfew etc.
Its not perfect, i.e. when the wind turns 180 deg during the checked time it says airport not suitable due to tailwind. But thats a minor problem.
The stupid idea that was behind part of the Lido philosophy is an all automated system, rendering the dispatcher obsolete!
Didnt work, beside the fully automated system for short haul flights but it helps with the basic checks, saving a lot of time!

Anyway, you are right...it makes more sense to hear from the real customers than from the snake oil salesmen..but thats not only the Lido guys :}

[Austin_Danger_Powers]

@lauderdale:

why dont you just check the LH-Systems Hompeage? All airlines using LIDO are posted there...

You just have to check wheather they use LIDO OC or other Nav Services.
I was to lazy to do that, so maybe there are some airlines posted from myside with just use the EFB instead the OC.

But i havent heared anything from your side regarding to the question:

"Who is using LIDO"
I just read stuff about "blahh blahh...me and blah LIDO" but that wasnt the question. :=

So, please go ahead, i am waiting.

[Manual Reversion]

For what it's worth, Virgin doesn't use an EFB Lido or otherwise!

[Austin_Danger_Powers]

Virgin Atlantic is using Class 2 EFB.

V Australia ( a part of Virgin ) is using LIDO Route manual, LIDO FMS / LIDO eAPM.

Virgin Atlantic Airways reduces paper in the cockpit with SkyBook solution from Lufthansa Systems (http://www.lhsystems.com/media/2006/apr_06_03.htm)

V Australia soaring across the Pacific with navigation solutions from Lufthansa Systems (http://www.lhsystems.com/media/2009/mar_09_02.htm)


and now good bye. this thread is more like kindergarden....

[Manual Reversion]

Given that I fly for VS, I would probably know if we are using an EFB.
I can assure you there is no sign of one on the flight deck. Although one aircraft did get the basic wiring installed briefly(long since removed)
Perhaps you might be reading some old advertising 'blurb' from a few years ago when a CL2 EFB was being considered rather than stating the facts from personal knowledge.

Anyway, just trying to help
B rgds
MR

[dayoff]

bmi is about to ditch LIDO for f:wz for all its operation

[Alex_D]

Airbridgecargo and Volga-Dnepr uses LIDO as well. (for B-744 and including AN124). LIDO calculations are quite precise. And, yeah,..less FPL rej-s from Eurocontrol.

[BAW20UQ]

Hi,
I read your posts and see that you have information about this system (LIDO,WebBriefing,etc ..)If you have access to any airline,I am reluctant to agree, and even some airlines to exchange.If you have something real OFP, FPL continue and reply TO PRIVATE MSG :-) Anonymity and confidentiality is yes of course.
BEST REGARDS BAW20UQ

[slav4o1]

Bulgaria air :ok:

[SU-GCM]

Egyptair do since July/august 2010

[papadopulos]

i am looking for dissapointed people who took the expensive jeppesen training and didnt get a job ......and feelll bad about them and want to start a chat .......ok and try to spare the message to innocents that everyday paid for that sort of unnecesary stafff they gave you ...............................thanks

[DXR]

As a LIDO user, I hate it. Most of our staff despise it too. Why?

Well, a lot of the promiesed functionality has yet to arrive. The TAF/METAR/NOTAM reader is unreliable. IE, just now I was told an alternate was not needed for an arrival airport.. Lido didn't read the tempo. A lot of this comes from the actual coding of the wx/notams by what ever state issues the info. But a lot of times, it just doesn't get it. The suitability check is not useful to me. The probelm you mentioned with the wind switch has caused several issues with our carrier, and resulting new procedures and the occasional LOI.

I think the biggest heartache I have was the functionality we were promised, and based our workloads off of, hasn't been delivered and thus we're getting hammered. WHen we relied on the planned functionality, we got bit so to speak... and now we don't trust it. A bit like having your woman cheat on you, she says never again but... So, after some certificate action... we're told to pretty much ignore the suitability check and don't rely on the alerting function. Then there's the weekly outage we seem to have every Monday morming to install patches. Often the 15 minute outage can extend for a couple hours, though that's becoming less and less of an issue when the delays starting piling on.

And there's some buggy code, for instance we have issues with redispatch calculations being inaccurate and thusly we have banned redispatches. May favorite though is running scenarios for MFT, MTT, and MCT and having the MFT be quicker than the MTT, but the MTT costs less than the MCT. Happens a good bit crossing the oceans. There the over optimization issue, where the altitude porfile can look like a roller coaster track (and through terrain... seriously), and in the US it's hard to plan point to point across the country due to lack of waypoint connections in the database.

other than that, it's great!

The only only other system I've used is NavTech, which by no means was everything for everything. But I never had near the issues with support and outages.

[Lauderdale]

LIDO over promising and under delivering? Whatever next?! :}

[jackdaniels]

guys...

- QANTAS (they are using sabre dispatch solutions and not LIDO)
- ETIHAD uses LIDO

As per the program i have to say that is the best on the market and believe me when you have to dispatch a ULR flight of over 15 hrs lido does a great job compared to crappy jetplanner or even worse sabre!
the problem with LIDO is that many dispatchers think all they have to do is the IAT (insert-analize-transmit) so with 3 clicks they release a 12hrs flight! now for godsake a damn crew controller can do this!!!!:mad:
and to these guys I have to say that you have no clue of what flight dispatch profession is and you should be banned from OCC if you are cool with a COMPLETELLY computer generated product!
Lido is good but without a mind pulling the strings you guys are just monkeys busting digits on the keyboard!!!!!

[Lauderdale]

....there's some great CRM courses outthere...maybe you want to have a look...

interesting thread:

http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/425429-fuel-shortage-ey.html#post5896842

[jackdaniels]

done them all but they all suck!
:ugh:

[Lauderdale]

hehe - good reply!

[Masif Eego]

[QUOTE]guys...

- QANTAS (they are using sabre dispatch solutions.......)

As per the program i have to say that is the best on the market and believe me when you have to dispatch a ULR flight of over 15 hrs lido does a great job /QUOTE]

wrong twice, to much JD if you ask me :rolleyes:

[Jetrecruiter]

Pinnacle is the only regional in the USA that use's Lido's.:(

[Sachsenring]

here are some Lido user:
- Saingapore Airlines


Does somebody know the new URL of their Lido webpage? The old one (https://sin.lido-aero.net/wwwbrfSIA) is not working anymore..

PM contact would be appreciated!