Who knows the legal duration of an ATA104 level III course?

[purgatore75]

Good morning to all who may concern about this difficult topic about currency of aircraft ground mechanical courses. I'm an A&P holder since 2006 working for FedEx in CDG. I gained some in-line experience on the B 767 300 ER for 4 years as an helper in a foreign country (Italy). I've attended an ATA 104 Level III course in April 2004 without beeing certifier as LMA A or B1. I had only the company approval to sign ALL ata chapters for LRU replacement, simple tasks defect rectification, A check tasks, weekly check and daily check.
WHO can help me pls in finding any legislation (european or Italian) that could tell me if:
my ground course is still valid even if I have got no
Part 66 Licence.
Tks 1000 to all in advance,
John.

[Bus429]

If you were working for E.U. based Part 145, you need a Part 66 'A' rating for task-trained duties (the task training can be done by a Part 145). If you were working for a non-E.U. 145, the stipulations of Part 145 Appendix IV apply (for staff "not qualified to Part 66").

[MrFixer!!!]

There is no validity limitation on ATA 104 level III courses. As long as it covers all the Chapters.....and as you mentioned you did have company Approval to sign for the Type.....So basically it all depends on the next company's Policy on granting Approvals....they might give it to you straightaway as long as you are Current on the type....or in the worst case scenario...they might ask you to get a refresher course.....but answering the Basic question.....there is no validity or Time Limit on your course (as far I know)!!!

[spannersatcx]

Was the ATA104 level 3 course EASA147 approved, it will say on the certificate, if not then it's not valid in EASA land.

[Rigga]

For an EASA Part 145 organisation:

My understanding is that your Part 147 Level III course is only valid for two years during which time you should gain enough experience to attain a Type Rating and company approvals.

Failure to gain experience in that time renders your course's currency as invalid.

I don't know how this works in the FAA system.

[spannersatcx]

Rigga is indeed correct.

is he indeed?

[Bus429]

Tried to find wording to that effect in Part 66 and 145...

[prattgamco]

Not a big deal.it's life time valid unless someone ask u to do refresher course.usually the undertaking company gives refresher course if they hav training facility on that type.

[spannersatcx]

66.A.45 Type/task training and ratings
(a) The holder of a category A aircraft maintenance licence may only exercise
certification privileges on a specific aircraft type following the satisfactory
completion of the relevant category A aircraft task training carried out by an
appropriately approved Part-145 or Part-147 organisation. The training shall
include practical hands on training and theoretical training as appropriate for each task authorised. Satisfactory completion of training shall be demonstrated by an examination and/or by workplace assessment carried out by an appropriately approved Part-145 or Part-147 organisation.
(b) Except as otherwise specified in paragraph (g), the holder of a category B1, B2 or C aircraft maintenance licence shall only exercise certification privileges on a specific aircraft type when the aircraft maintenance licence is endorsed with the appropriate aircraft type rating.
(c) Except as otherwise specified in paragraph (h), ratings shall be granted following satisfactory completion of the relevant category B1, B2 or C aircraft type training approved by the competent authority or conducted by an appropriately approved
Part-147 maintenance training organisation.
(d) Category B1 and B2 approved type training shall include theoretical and practical training and consist of the appropriate course in relation to the 66.A.20(a)
privileges. Theoretical and practical training shall comply with Appendix III to
this Part and shall have been started and completed within the three years
preceding the application for a type rating endorsement.

Looks like 3 years to me?

[MrFixer!!!]

It does say 3 YEARS but there are always exceptions to the Rule .......the guy has been working on the Type.......I have met guys who did their courses Donkeys years ago and were working on the Type and then lost their recency......Going to a new employer they only needed recency or a Refresher course.......so it all depends on your new company and How desperate they are for the guys with right Type and Approvals........and also what are their Quality Procedures!!!!