servisair redundancies??

[spirit of the age]

more redundancies.............
What is happening with servisair? Word has reached my delicate ears that indicates that they have filed ANOTHER HR1 form. Surely they cannot be downsizing again so quickly on the heels of the recent redundancies?

[undiemole]

Any particular airport or are you just generalising with your rumour :confused:

[spirit of the age]

grovelling apologies undiemole, we,re talking stansted here and it is no longer a rumour. Dont take my word for it-check around

[sat1]

I can confirm--it aint rumour,but there,s more...... the ramp boys now have to go over to cargo and help them.Thats bound to hit the cargo boys overtime!!!! Not a good time for servisair

[Hounddog1]

At least it will keep a high percentage of the guys in jobs, rather than send them down the road, in this climate, i know what id rather do ..

So I guess all the managers at ramp are still installed in their jobs, or have they got to go cargo aswell ??

[fringe benifits]

yes Servisair are looking for voluntry, and yes the ramp boys will be helping us in cargo.
the company seems to be looking at amalgamating the ramp and cargo, this needs to be done now to secure the future of Servisair at Stansted.
If this does happen will the company need both cargo and ramp management, I don't think so.
Servisair are the first to start looking at the winter, look out for Swissport and Menzies to both announce redundancies soon
spirit do you work for Sevisair ramp or do you know someone that does ?, you seem to know more than your saying.
Fringe B

[GRIZZLER]

it just goes to show how many of you at STN airport are new boys to the game........i can remember the days when servisair ramp boys were halfway through loading a CARGO DC8....yes DC8....and had to leave that when ryanairs landed so they could do the turnrounds.......then back to cargo........water off a ducks back....its nothing new......its been done before ,it can be done again............

in fact going back to the 1980s...there was no such thing as a cargo ramp man.....just cargo shed men who never went outside in the sun or rain ....they built up and broke down pallets and the ramp loaders did everything else..........AND in the very early days all the gear needed, had to be transported from the north side across the middle of the runway to cargo.....it was like a day out for the boys.
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[Fly1989]

Theres redundancies for the ramp at Liverpool aswell, they want to get rid of 1/4 of us. Just a couple of months after taking on over a hundred men (TUPE) to do the Ryanair contract for LJLA. Not good :=.

[Hounddog1]

Trip down memory lane there Grizzler, changed a bit now, cargo boys been self-handling for a number of years and will still, just because ramp are having to work with cargo does not mean they will be reverting to working airside only.... cargo boys have found that there is a door to the outside world ..

[spirit of the age]

Grizzler oh whiskered one, back in the old days servisair handled most of the airport.Those days are long gone.Servisair are the lame ducks of the airport at the moment.Time will tell if they come back from the edge but lets face it,what contracts have they won recently??

[sat1]

Food for thought:
Each time servisair downsizes its because it has lost work.Since they are contemplating another downsize the question needs to be asked...............What airline have they lost this time????:=:=:=

[tigger2k8]

redundancies doesnt just mean it could be a loss of a contract.. could also be a reduction of flights in winter... have any of the airlines they handle at STN released winter schedules yet?

[Hounddog1]

Its not what they have lost, it is what they have got left against how much it costs to do it, against how much outlay, and then all pitched against income , you do the maths !!

If you think about it, Iceland Express wandered off to Gatwick, EL AL found a new home at Luton and then increased flights to x6 per week, its all about money these days, if you are paying out more than you are taking in ... then cuts have to be made somewhere

[The Smoking Gnu]

The HR1 has not yet been submitted, it will happen on wed. It is expected that between 16 and 20 post will be lost from ramp and undercroft but final numbers are yet to be confirmed.
IF, and yes that's a big if, the ramp and cargo were to be combined this would logically mean there would be a duplication of junior managerial posts, the unneeded personal being a ramp manager, 3 Rso's and 4 Stl's along with staff coming to the end of their service opting for voluntary redundancy would probably make up more than half of this number. If all staff were told they would have to work in all areas of operation and not just undercroft or ramp or cargo, then i'm sure the request for voluntary redundancy would more than exceed the required ammount.

[ReadyToGo]

As ex-servisair myself, I'm watching the operation at NCL very carefully. Seems they are very reliant on Thomas Cook/OnurAir at the minute. Unless contracts change hands, when TCX cuts back from its 3 based 752's in september, I expect to see some old friends heading for the exits. Sad sad times.

RTG!

[TOWTEAMBASE]

Hey...SAT1, how IS that Thomson Airways contract going, people in glass houses and all that. Plenty of time to pop in the Servisair restroom to get em round hey :p

[sat1]

morning towteam,Swissport just passed thomson audit with flying colours--100% Shift pattern adjusted to 4 and 3 to cover their schedule. Flexibility is the key!!!!!!!Yes I have noticed rather a lot of your boys sitting in the restroom with nothing to do...as have your managers,hence your nightshift having to go to cargo along with the day shift when idle.The future is red with shiny silver bits!!!!!!!!!!

[TOWTEAMBASE]

oh is it, so you got that interview as a dustman then did ya :p

[spirit of the age]

Thats an interesting point you make re management. Making redundant the ramp manager,RSO's and STL's would be a major reduction in wages,however,if this is accompanied by a move to cargo rest room ie give up rooms in sat 1,the savings would be substantial.
However,if they really have vision (and the gonads) then logically they would give up the station managers rooms also, now that WOULD be a saving.Sadly none of the above will occur as they are too set in their old ways.Dinosaurs come to mind.

[JamesKirk]

Recieved a phone call just from a mate in servisair, his girlfriend has just been sacked & that they are looking for another 15 to go from passenger services alone?
Is the the H/A that Legalize was on aboyt in the closed thread?:hmm:

[JB007]

Flew from Essex at the weekend - was hugely impressed by how we were looked after, just as good as LGW but and not suprisingly, without the 'headless chicken mode'...lots of time for friendly banter...thank you.

[sat1]

Criteria for redundancy
This will be points based with anyone earning more than 10 points going onto the at risk list
smokers---1 point
non smokers---5 points
under 5'6'' in height---3 points
over 13 stone in weight---5 points
card players---2 points

smokers who share their ciggies with management---minus 2 points
card players who lose to management---minus 2 points
smokers who share ciggies AND lose money---bonus!!! minus 4 points
It goes without saying that trainers are exempt from the threat of redundancy as they will be needed to train the new intake!!!
Happy days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GRIZZLER]

i don't think they will use that system twice....they tried it when the last lot of blokes went just after they lost Ryanair............it did not work then either.
;););)

if a tree has got no roots...it will fall .....the top does need to worry!!!

[Subject 117]

You seem a little bitter there spirit of the age, have you been made redundant by them before then? :hmm:

[spirit of the age]

A little bitter??? care to elaborate??

[fringe benifits]

Rumours from the shed today suggest all management will keep their jobs and all the stl's will go, the new position of GSO will be a 4 and 2 roster.
Ramp and cargo will remain seperate but help each other out in busy times.
The new HR1 will now be 20 + 4, which will go in on Friday.
My guess on the criteria for the 20 would be, old contracts first, people in the pension scheme 2nd and any team leaders with any sickness record 3rd.
Sat 1 and Spirt of the age, have you both previously worked for Servisair and been made redundant as you both seem to be singing from the same hymm book ?.
Fringe B

[sat1]

can't speak for spirit of age but I think its common knowledge where I work.

[Xcircustiger]

No longer in Sat 1 the clue ?????

[GRIZZLER]

from what i have been hearing swissport have already got rid of a lot of staff at STN............Is it true... that swissport rang servisair a few nights back and asked them if they could offload the thomsonfly and the firstchoice as they had nobody to do it.......SAT1 said they got 100% on there turn round audit a few days ago.....good job they never turned up that night........maybe servisair should start sub letting men out to other handling agents....as well as cargo.
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[glasgow]

I was told at Gla that Serviair are looking for 54 redundances surely that wont leave many staff to cover their flights we have unless they are expecting to loss other contracts sad days ahead:*

[GRIZZLER]

who are looking to lay off men....swissport or servisair???r

[glasgow]

We lost the Flybe contract earlier in the summer and some of us could have Tuped over to Alba but the management made a right farse of it. So where we could have carried on in employment it now looks as if we will be out of a job. Does anyone know if we have a claim against the company.

[exloadie]

Ones in LPL are purely for proffit not due to loss of flights/contracts!!.They are wondering (management that is) why their staff are voting for industrial action.Workload has gone up by about 35% but want to cut about 23% of workforce figure that one out????????:mad:.

[backtrack_32]

From what iver heard from a mate at LBA, its very similar that the baggage handlers are under staffed and over worked!

[dublindispatch]

and in Dublin S/air are taking over Aviance but some contracts gone to Sky Handling

[sat1]

'maybe servisair should start sub letting men out to other handling agents....as well as cargo.'
Well Grizzler,from what is being "rumoured' that is the way things are going for you boys at servisair.

[GRIZZLER]

There is this old saying....many a true word spoke in jest!


its a bit strange that servisair are getting rid of men on one hand and taking work on with the other.
:confused:


and there is another saying.... biting more off than you can chew!

[exloadie]

I hear the result of the ballot for industrial action will be known by the end of the week.Rumour has it any action will be taken within 2 weeks.