Multiflight interview/Atlantic part sponsorship

[monkeypuzzle2009]

Hi Guys

Has anyone got an interview/assessment with multiflight next week? Or anyone been through it in recent years?

Just trying to see what sort of level the english/maths/science tests are aimed at, and any other helpful hints??

[citation89]

yeh, did them a few months ago. Its just basic maths, english and science, no-one failed them. Also all I can really say, is be rested and be yourself.

Good luck

[monkeypuzzle2009]

Thanks!

How did you get on?

I think I am pretty sorted if that's the case.... Also was it just a sim ride? Or did you do Compass tests too?

Just want to be prepared....

[citation89]

hey, if its the same as we did it, heres how it goes:

1st day - 3 tests in morning

if you pass the tests, you have interview with multiflight staff in afternoon

If you pass interview, you get invited back for 2nd day,

2nd day - purely a 30 min sim ride to see how well you learn and pick up skills

you will then be told you wil be contacted within a week to let you know if you passed.

If you pass, you are then invited to coventry sometime a few weeks later for an interview with a panel of staff from Atlantic airlines. This is a more in depth interview than the first but still along the same lines. You will then be contacted within the following week with their decision.

I was fortunate enough to get to the final interview but unfortunately didn't get all the way.

C89

[monkeypuzzle2009]

Thanks c89 that's really helpful!

Just a couple of other things.....

In the Multiflight staff interview is it just your motivations etc... how you got your ppl, what flying you've done since...etc...? Or did they ask anything about Atlantic? I know Atlantic representatives are there in the morning for the introduction, but is that all you see of them?

Also can you remember the sim setup? I think they have configurations for the BE76 Dutchess and BE20 King Air?

When I have spoken to Atlantic they said the second interview is to see if your right for their company and if they like you? I am asuming it's a lot to do with background knowledge of their company as well?

Thanks again for your help!

Good luck in whatever your doing!

monkeypuzzle

[fugly4life]

Basically, the Atlantic Airlines sponsorship is the old Atlantique sponsorship.

The initial selection lasts two days an if you pass that you will be called for another interview.

When I had my selection with Atlantic Flight Training I was shocked at how easy the aptitude tests were, you will have a maths, science and an english test that probe no deeper than GCSE level. You will also have a McQuage test which is a little more challenging. Once you have had the tests on the 1st day, and providing you pass them, you will start the second day with a sim ride to test your basic general handling and instrument flying skills. You will then have an informal interview with the management...they just want to see what sort of person you are, they look for very specific personalities and it will be your personality that ultimately gets you through and on to the cadet scheme. If you pass the two day selection you will be called back for a final interview where you will be grilled about the company, why you want to work for them, your personal life and whether you will be able to stick life as a cadet.

If you apply and get asked for selection, look at your old GCSE books, find out as much about the company as you can (the history of atlantic and what they do and have done). But most of all dont go in with a big shot pilot attitude, they hate that and you wont get through initial selection. Just show you willingness to commit 5 years of your life in return for a (partly) free CPL/IR and a gaurenteed job at the end of it.

The tests comprise of :

McQuaig Occupational Tests
Word Survey Profile
English Proficiency Test
Maths Proficiency Test
Applied Science Proficiency Test


Basically you need to be good at pattern recognition, maths and it will also help if you know your basic physics/mechanics formula for energy/acceleration e.g. u squared plus half m v squared and all that. This is timed.

There is also a temperament test which I don't know how to cheat at, not sure if the results are that important... you're asked to score yourself on certain aspects, then again over the page using similar but different terms but this time how you think people rate you. I think both sides are tallied somehow. No time limit.

If its the same as my sim assessment, the sim ride is basically a check of your ability to learn, rather than your current flying skills. You'll have a briefing with an instructor, probably have to fly a pattern, and then a debrief where the instructor will tell you where you went wrong and how to improve. You will then fly the pattern again, or at least a similar one maybe with a few variables thrown in. This is your chance to shine, and show the instructor than you picked up on his points and can show improvement.

Its not like a BA sim ride where emergencies are thrown at you left right and centre, and you don't have to fly to an exceptional standard. Just keep level headed, competent and for God's sake, listen to the instructor! You shouldn't really have any problems if you made it this far, but at the very least you'll walk away with the experience of a basic sim check.

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Company History :

All confusing I know but to try and make it as simple as possible. Each individual company that was once part of the Air Atlantique Group has a requirement for their own cadets so they now run seperate sponsorships.

RVL Group (formally Atlantic Reconnaissance of the Air Atlantique Group now operating independantly):

Will be holding selection within the next couple of weeks and looking to take on 3 cadets. Applications to Margaret Royle and can be found on the RVL website. Upon completion of the cadetship, you will fly Cessna 310s, 402s, 404s and will be type rated on the Cessna F406 flying numerous contracts including the HM Coastguard, OSRL, Environment Agency, Ordnance Survey, MOD air taxi and so on.

Classic Flight (Still owned by Mike Collett and still trades under the name of Air Atlantique):

Applications to Debi Unwin and they are looking to take no cadets within the next few months. Not quite sure what they will have you flying at the end of it but will most likely be the DC3, Prentice and Twin Pin (but who ever mentioned flying the Hunter that wont happen coz its a rusty shell)Atlantic Airlines (originally part of the Air Atlantique Group but was subject to a management buyout about 10 years ago and now like RVL, operate independantly)

Operate the Electras, ATPs and 737 doing freight work. They are looking to take on a few cadets in the coming weeks.
All three sponsorships require you to relocate to Coventry airport as all three companies are based in hangars situated next to each other (Hangars 5, 6 and 7) on the west side of Coventry airport.

All 3 sponsorships offer a fully funded or partly CPL/IR and a GAURENTEED job in return for about 9-18months duties as a cadet.
"The main duty is been a driver"!

*Also, Highland Airways in Inverness run a cadet sponsorship scheme like atlantics!

[citation89]

hey,

1st Interview - Motivations, maybe very basic techincal knowledge (1 question or so) about family etc

2nd Interview- Motivation, knowledge of company, techinical knowledge (not just aircraft, was asked about cars etc), not a fully formal interview, more of a get to know you session.

If i remember rightly, the sim was set up as dutchess but i could be mistaken. If you get through day 1, they will give you a briefing sheet for the sim ride to look at overnight.

There was one member from HR and one current cadet there on day1 for us. Use the free time to ask them as many questions as you want to, also remember where you are and who you are talking to. They aren't there on day 2 but you will see them again a fair bit if you make it to coventry.

C89

[monkeypuzzle2009]

Thanks c89!

That's really helpful!

Good luck again in whatever you're doing!

[Spacecam]

To Hopefull cadets

Please please make sure you are aware as to what exactly the Atlantic Airlines Cadet scheme is all about, over the last few screenings we have had many people who are completly unaware of what the scheme is all about it is NOT a Flybe/BA type Sponsorship in terms of the structure and certainly the way it runs

Please do not expect to be given an exact date for when you will start flight training and end your cadet duties, this has been the case over the last few intakes and it does not go down well atall!

Good luck

any questions relating to the cadet scheme feel free to ask

[citation89]

Definately, I second that spacecam!!!

[rhythm08]

Hi

I will also be there on Tuesday, any information on exactly what topics were covered in the physics and maths papers?

Cheers

[Spacecam]

in my intake the it was mainly closing speeds, distance covered, variuous calculations to do with volume and area i dont remember it all

bear in mind mine was not done by Multiflight but i believe they use the same papers

[monkeypuzzle2009]

Thanks Spacecam and fugly4life!

[MMEMatty]

You will need to provide a 20 minute lecture on propellor theory, with specific reference to Assymetric Blade Effect. Also, you will have to demonstrate on paper that you can derive Bernoulli's theorem from first principles.



As for the interview, I hope you can do mental trigonometry, otherwise you have no chance. And then there is the physical. You ever heard how for SAS selection you have to run up Pan-Y-Gent mountain, in Wales? Atlantic make you do it backwards. Blindfolded.



But I wouldnt worry about spelling.



Go for it guys, it is worth it...

[PPRuNeUser0173]

Very funny MMEMatty.....

Have your own answers prepared and for heavens sake don't have a file on your knee to open up and read from verbatim during the interview!! Someone actually did this when asked "what qualities should a good pilot have".

The test papers are not difficult as already mentioned earlier.

This is a good scheme with a job at the end of it and in this day and age should not be sniffed at.

Good luck.

[monkeypuzzle2009]

Hi guys

Don't mean to sound rude or anything, this is definately one of those questions you can't ask discretely at the meet and greet on tuesday, but how do you live during the "fugly apprentice"?

I know you relocate the whole time, Coventry while cadet (in atlantic digs), then Leeds for the actual flight training, but do you comute or live in Atlantic digs in Leeds?

Also I know the workload is pretty intense while on cadet duties, but are you given any help towards daily living costs, in terms of a basic wage?? as I am guessing there is no time to do part-time paid work?

[citation89]

hey, can't rememeber the numbers but you are paid for the cadet duties. You will be paid a max of 8 hours a day at minimum wage I believe, even though you may be working 12hours + a day. So you have money to live and there definately would not be time for a part time job!

In coventry you live in a house with other cadets. From what I understand, whilst at multiflight, you would have to find accomodation, I'm not too sure, worth asking them when you go.

Good Luck

C89

[monkeypuzzle2009]

Cool, thanks for that.

One other thing, when I spoke to current cadets 2 years ago at the flight training show, they said Atlantic paid towards your living costs.

Do you know if this is still the case? or how does the accommodation you share with the other cadets get funded? from your basic salary? I get the impression Atlantic own these residential properties?

[Spacecam]

You are accomodated by atlantic at all times while you are a cadet

and yes your are correct we are payed a minimum wage for 8 hours a day we do not work any 12 hour shifts or at least the company does not push us to if you end up working longer than 8 hours its through your own choice

also citation, your CPL will most likely be done in Naples Florida and only the MEP/IR/MCC is done at leeds

[fade to grey]

good old style sponsorship !!
that'll sort the wheat from the chaff.....8 hour days at min wage.....in my day etc etc...

Good luck all !

[citation89]

Thanks for the correction, the over 12 hours a day thing was just what I had been told at my Interview by staff at Atlantic.

C89

[biboumbaye]

Hi all,

two questions for now:
Is it still possible to apply ?
Are there any foreigners among previous students ? I am french and very interested in this scheme.
and does anybody know what is the level compare to CTC's selections ?
I ve been trough it last year but couldn't found it.

damn! thats actually 3 questions thats not good for maths test :ugh:

thanks for all you inputs on this unknown scheme

[Spacecam]

You an apply still yes but i doubt there will be an intake for a while now as they have just asked 6 people for interview at HQ and if they take any then there will not be an intake for proberly 6-8 months but you can still apply to Leeds yes

they have had french and swedish applications before and this is not a problem as long as you have the right to live and work in the United Kingdom etc etc and can speak perfect english

the selection is quiet different to other schemes dont come in with loads of A levels and a degree etc and expect to walk right through selelction in fact them grades will proberly lower your chances of getting in unless you really are the right person

[MMEMatty]

Not too sure about that last statement. If you do have a degree/A-levels you MAY find some of the academic sections of selection easier than someone without. However having these qualifications will not be held against you throughout selection (as was implied by the previous post)

If you let it go to your head, have an attitude that (I have a degree / 5 A-Levels at Grade A***+, I will walk this, they will beg to let me fly for them) then that WILL be held against you.

As an example, I would say that half of the cadets employed (in whatever capacity) at the moment have University education. I think almost All have A-Levels (or their equivolent)

Also, I would say that "Perfect" English is stretching it a bit. You have to think, you will be working in England, with predominantly British workers, many of whom are products of the UK school of foreign languages (i.e. talk louder and point), so you will have to be pretty fluent in English. But perhaps not "Perfect"

[Captain_Scooby]

Don't assume you'll defo get through the scheme to your training. The group (not so much Atlantic) has a habit of cutting cadets from the sponsorships for little or no reason.

[dombeaumont]

Hi guys, just a few quick questions about this scheme and applications.

Low hours PPL can still apply for the course and be accepted, but am I right in thinking time spent in the fugly / hangar sweeping stage would be extended until you have built up your hours (self funded) to 150 before commencing further training at multi-flight?

and also, can you still apply to the scheme and be given a conditional offer on the basis that you pass a class 1 medical, if you haven't got one already?

thanks,

[thetimesreader84]

Dombeaumont;

I believe that yes, you would have to wait in the UK to finish hours before being sent out to the states to start CPL, although if you are only a few hours short, then you may get sent out to finish the hours building in the US.

You won't be given a conditional offer based on a Class 1 medical. Likely your application will be removed at the paper sift stage in Leeds untill you have Class 1 in hand.

TTR

[shaun.s]

Has anybody applied recently and had any response? Sent in my application about a month ago, had no word either way.
Think it'd be too pushy to phone up and remind them I'm keen? I was thinking of asking to come have a nosy around at Coventry prior to the assessment anyway.

[thetimesreader84]

Keep the faith everyone; there probably won't be an intake before Christmas, and you won't hear untill a few weeks before the start date. I would expect to hear around february / march time, not that I'm involved in the recruitment process.

Can phone up cov if you want mind; not sure how receptive they are to people fancying a nosey around - this is an airline, not a museum. Although you would be forgiven for thinking it's the latter given the state of half the fleet...

TTR

[flyhiguy28]

Application is in... was told at the desk that unlikely to hear anything for 2-3 months and unsuccessful applicants will not be notified. Watch this space, good luck to everyone who has applied! :ok:

[steggers]

I applied about 2 months ago and have an interview on 2nd December. Do you know what sort of questions they ask, and how hard are the English Maths and Science tests? I know they are multiple choice, but i'm crap with exams. I also have my ATPL theory out the way with an 89% avergae pass rate, so if i do badly on the exams, will this go against me?
Any help would be great.....thanks guys

[gg190]

I also have an interview with them on 2nd December, any pointers/advice on the difficulty of the English/Maths/Science tests would be gratefully received!!

[Too low]

Don’t worry about that. Dead easy, calculators allowed, basic maths, basic physics (I would say GCSE), no rocket science.
If you really are worried just refresh you memory about kinetic energy, speed, accelerations…
English, er...., not even my mother tongue and I made it trough. :8
Despite what they will tell you, the hard bit is the simulator. About a year ago, all of use made it trough the tests and interview, 1/3 of us got nailed on the sim...
And don't espect any trick/advice, they don't give any feedback. :E
Good luck