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heads_down
19th May 2009, 22:34
British accent on Qantas's flying kangaroo

Steve Creedy, Aviation writer | May 20, 2009
Article from: The Australian

THE flying kangaroo has developed an English accent on Qantas flights in and out of London as British flight attendants replace Australians.

The Spirit of Australia's trademark "g'day" started to go missing between London and the airline's Asian hubs of Singapore, Bangkok and Hong Kong after Qantas set up a cabin crew base in Britain's capital in 2005.

With all but about 80 of the 550 jobs at the base taken up by non-Australians, Qantas passengers can find themselves surrounded by British accents and regaled by a local twang only when an announcement is made from the cockpit.

The London base was part of a cost-cutting program designed to save the airline $18 million a year by cutting down in areas such

as cabin crew allowances and accommodation expenses.

The savings come from flying Australian-based crew as far the Asian hubs and handing over to overseas-based attendants on the second leg of a trip to Europe.

While Qantas offered Australians first refusal on the then 400 jobs based in London, the union representing flight attendants says the base is now dominated by Britons.

Flight Attendants Association of Australia international division secretary Michael Mijatov said an agreement with the airline meant that Australian-based crew staffed one Boeing 747 flight a day all the way through to London.

"All the rest of them, including the A380, on sectors from Asia to London and back from London to Asia are done by London-based crew and also the company puts on Thai-based crew as well," he said.

Qantas executive manager customer and marketing Lesley Grant said the airline established the London base to best manage its resources.

"We employ all our flight attendants for their skills and commitment to service and safety," she said. "Their nationality doesn't make Qantas any more or less Australian."

While UK-based crew operate all Qantas flights from London to Singapore, Bangkok and Hong Kong, Ms Grant said Australian-based crews operate all sectors between Australia and the airline's Asian hubs.

The UK base arrangement provides significant savings in terms of rostering efficiencies and reduced accommodation and allowance costs, she said.

The Qantas plan to open the London base was initially opposed by the FAAA and almost prompted a crippling strike before an agreement was reached in enterprise negotiations.

James Boag
19th May 2009, 23:00
Well done Steve, right on the money, just about 5 years too late :}

Must be a slow news day-really what was the point of this article? Meanwhile Emirates goes spearing through the LOC antenna in Melbourne, maybe we will hear something useful from you about that when something like that happens next time, not months later? (or perhaps then a useful article 5 years later) :ugh:

ernestkgann
19th May 2009, 23:54
Steve gets too many trips to Dubai to criticise Emirates.

packrat
20th May 2009, 00:12
All this is done and dusted.The travelling public couldnt give a rats rissole.
However the figure of $18mill has always been a bit rubbery.It is a duplication of Admin,CC training,admin staff cars ,wages,building rental and associated running costs.
Any very old news.No more putting up with whinging poms.Let their own take care of them.Could be entertaining

RedTBar
20th May 2009, 03:08
"Their nationality doesn't make Qantas any more or less Australian."
Interesting to note that the person quoted as saying that is a Kiwi.
To be honest though it was probably not her call and is only going along with the company line.
A_B_P is right though and nationality is an issue.How many times do we hear a passenger say "It's great to hear an Australian accent.We've been away for so long"
The bottom line is that the company does not care about such things as it's only concern is money.

indamiddle
20th May 2009, 05:40
whao... what about the tubbies that operate BKK/SYD/BKK sectors?
no, i actually like the tubbies, bloody good operators. guess she forgot about them.

distracted cockroach
20th May 2009, 06:28
Airline standard...what's the big deal? Air NZ have also had a London base for years, and a Shanghai base for that matter.
You may have read recently that the Shanghai based Chinese crew were paid "substantially more than the average Chinese worker", but something like a quarter of what NZ based cabin crew get....there's the real reason for it!

ditch handle
20th May 2009, 06:44
Quote-
"Airline standard...what's the big deal?"

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Nothing I suppose until airlines start hiring offshore pilots, eh bro?:rolleyes:

airtags
20th May 2009, 07:07
would have thought that there are stories far more worthy of a few col/cms in the Oz .......

RedTBar
20th May 2009, 08:00
would have thought that there are stories far more worthy of a few col/cms in the Oz .......
As ditch handle said if QF did the same with an overseas base for it's pilots and only paid them a fraction of what it paid Australian based pilots it would be OK then?
If that happened there would be a dozen threads running on it in PPRune and the emotions running wild and in the papers for days at an end.
Airline standard...what's the big deal? Air NZ have also had a London base for years, and a Shanghai base for that matter.
If there was an Australian in the same position with ANZ and told you guys that it did not matter if there were no New Zealand nationals as crew working for the New Zealand national carrier?
That would not be a big deal for you?

Wod
20th May 2009, 08:13
Just coming back to the weird timing of this odd article.

It is stale news. What's going on?

And in response to the other responses.

Having an LHR base saves accommodation, allowances and reduces overall crew numbers. I'm sure the $18 million per annum takes account of the cost of administering the base. (Would have in my day:))

QFinsider
20th May 2009, 11:38
We do have it with pilots.

The little gem is called the trans tasman mutual recognition agreement..

VH registered aircraft used to be flown be Australian licenced pilots.
Not anymore.

Jet connect are going to be flying VH registered 738 in qantas mainline colours. You can bet it is the thin end of the wedge and the pilots flying for crap $$ won't worry the passengers. They don't care as long as the fare is cheap.

One does wonder why Creedy mentions this now?
He was a poster boy for Dixon and APA et al.

blow.n.gasket
20th May 2009, 11:39
Looks like I was beaten to the punch.


RedTBarQuote:

As ditch handle said if QF did the same with an overseas base for it's pilots and only paid them a fraction of what it paid Australian based pilots it would be OK then?
If that happened there would be a dozen threads running on it in PPRune and the emotions running wild and in the papers for days at an end.



Well actually T-Bar QF does and it's called JetConnect and it is overseas based and the pilots there are on lower conditions and there have been numberous threads on p-prune about it but for some reason the papers don't appear to give a toss, go figure!.

RedTBar
20th May 2009, 19:36
QFinsider & blow.n.gasket,
I agree with you about JC and you could certainly call it the thin edge of the wedge.
My point was imagine if the company did that to mainline international QF pilots and set up bases in BKK,LHR etc. for 747-400 and A-380 crew and not just 737!
QF mainline international pilots would go ballistic.

Capt Kremin
20th May 2009, 23:42
Yes, they would. Thats the reason they haven't. Unfortunately, it is a fact of life that pilots have more industrial muscle than F/A's. QF can't introduce Thai pilots on the grounds of "We are an international airline" and get away with it.
The FAAA should have had their strike back when this began. The divisions now in the FA ranks are sad to behold from an outsiders point of view. You guys are constantly at each others throats and Oldmeadow is laughing.
I am not saying there are no divisions in the pilot ranks, there patently are, but at least mainline pilots aren't competing for each others flying.

lowerlobe
20th May 2009, 23:59
Capt Kremin.....

You are 100% right....and Darth and Co probably still laugh about it....

kotoyebe
21st May 2009, 01:46
and Darth and Co probably still laugh about it....

...while sipping Grange and Krug and being fed peeled grapes by naked nymphs...