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Flying Binghi
1st May 2009, 12:07
No longer travels by airplane...less meat....:hmm:

...Indeed, one can now sue for religious discrimination with environmentalism listed as the affronted creed.

According to Tom Nicholson, a 41-year old married man, being Green means he no longer travels by airplane, he buys local produce, has reduced his consumption of meat and he composts his food waste. But his employer, property company Grainger, didn’t take these beliefs seriously – in particular his belief in climate change – and sacked him

At a preliminary hearing in March, Judge David Sneath ruled that Mr Nicholson’s convictions amount to a philosophical belief under the Employment Equality (Religion and Belief) Regulations, 2003, and therefore he can claim discrimination.

According to the company Mr Nicholson’s views on climate change and the environment were based on fact and science, but the judge found that “his belief went beyond a mere opinion.”

American Thinker Blog: Global Warming Ruled a Religion by British Judge (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/04/global_warming_ruled_a_religio.html)

Tim Nicholson: A green martyr - Climate Change, Environment - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/tim-nicholson-a-green-martyr-1648388.html)

Jennifer Marohasy Defining the Greens (Part 6) (http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/04/defining-the-greens-part-6/#more-4990)

Roger Sofarover
1st May 2009, 13:39
AT LAST! It has been recognised. Praise by to Saint Al The Inconvenient Truth Seeker;) May he be recycled into his next life as a non bovine species, perhaps a mighty Oak Tree to help rid the world of this accursed Co2. Praise be to the Global Warmers. Maybe the Judge has been touched by the all cooling presence of Saint Al The Inconvenient Truth Seeker's hand.



So it's official, Global Warming is not based on Scientific fact, it is merely believed in, albeit very strongly just like everything in the bible is true. It has been written about by a group of power crazy scientists desperate to jump on the bandwaggon and get lots of dosh for research, it is now therefore a religion.:ugh:

Sciolistes
1st May 2009, 14:09
Aged 41, and married with a small son, Mr Nicholson now works for a green medical charity in Oxford.
Intrigued. Not only by the relevance of is vertically challenged son, but also by the mission profile of green medical charity? What comes first, low emissions or clinical care?

Storminnorm
1st May 2009, 14:19
His "small son" is merely an indication that there ain't a lot
wrong with HIS emissions I think.

Roger Sofarover
1st May 2009, 14:21
What is a green medical charity? Have all their vaccines been delivered by bicycle or horse and cart? Are their scalpels made from flint rather than steel, injections via porcupine needles perhaps, no car park for the staff, just bicycle racks, and no electricity or computers in the office.

Storminnorm
1st May 2009, 14:35
Don't forget wood burning stoves in each ward Rog.

MagnusP
1st May 2009, 14:51
Sort of a dangerous decision, don't you think?

There's an implication there that if you have rabid xenophobia but it's philosophically-based, then sacking you for being an active member of the BNP or NF would be discrimination.

How 'bout if you want to bring down western civilisation? Hmmm.

BenThere
1st May 2009, 15:00
What is a green medical charity?

Certainly the clinic would eschew dispensing any medications ever tested on animals. The MRI and X-ray machines would be powered only by solar or wind, and those machines would themselves be locally produced.

Storminnorm
1st May 2009, 15:04
Computed Tomography Scans would be out then?
Couldn't make one of them in your shed, I bet!

Captain Stable
1st May 2009, 15:18
Wouldn't like to rain on your mock-fest parade folks, but there are charities out there that fund innoculation against diseases like TB in Tanzania and others, where there is only enough training given to a paramedic to recognise and treat the diseases he is most likely to encounter and to provide him with the wherewithal to treat them (and innoculate against them). Such paramedics are given bicycles to get around.

The money given to such causes by the charities concerned is therefore much better spent than on equipping a gigantic hospital in Dar Es Salaam that nobody can get to without a 250-mile walk and which is equipped to provide hip replacements, liver transplants and cosmetic surgery.

Hope this makes things clear.

Sciolistes
1st May 2009, 15:21
Hope this makes things clear.
Not really, as it has everything to do with practical reality and nothing to do with being green.

Captain Stable
1st May 2009, 16:02
I do so hate it when people refuse to think for themselves...

Compare the cost both in dosh and carbon of building a f***ing great hospital with that of equipping a couple of hundred paramedics as outlined in my previous post.

Compare the carbon cost of a load of 4WD's trogging around the Tanzanian bush with blokes on bikes.

Compare the carbon cost of running, lighting and maintaining a hospital with the alternative.

Not green?

Dushan
1st May 2009, 16:30
but there are charities out there that fund innoculation against diseases like TB in Tanzania and others, where there is only enough training given to a paramedic to recognise and treat the diseases he is most likely to encounter and to provide him with the wherewithal to treat them (and innoculate against them). Such paramedics are given bicycles to get around.

Compare the cost both in dosh and carbon of building a f***ing great hospital with that of equipping a couple of hundred paramedics as outlined in my previous post.

Compare the carbon cost of a load of 4WD's trogging around the Tanzanian bush with blokes on bikes.


Seem to be two different things.
Nothing wrong with paramedics on bikes trained to vaccinate, but when you need to transport someone to the big, carbon evil, hospital you'd have a bit of trouble fitting him in the bicycle basket.

We had medical huts in the outposts of Africa for 150 years, but surely we have progressed to the point of being able to provide care with modern equipment. That includes the ancillary equipment such as 4WDs and air conditioned hospitals.

Storminnorm
1st May 2009, 16:41
Don't they still have any Witch Doctors?

I wouldn't mind consulting one occasionally.
Probably better off than consulting some of
the Merc and BMW driving tossers that we have.

Roger Sofarover
1st May 2009, 16:47
Its called doing it on the cheap Stable. Those places need the (as you put it) effing big hospital. The fact that locals are trained to take care of their own has been going on for a decade, but now it is termed green. Are they going to give a local an SUV....:hmm: No!, They are lucky to be given a bicycle. On a documentary I saw recently they didn't even give the woman a bicycle, just walk 10 miles a day and go and jab anything that moves, but remember she only carries one type of Jab and cannot treat anything else...useful eh!

It will become very convenient now in third world countries to halt any hope of progress, by using the green label. Some tribal villagers in Africa were recently informed after waiting years for electricity that they can't have their diesel generators they were promised as they are not green. They can however if they stump up the money have solar panels. Well I can't afford them so somebody on $2 a day doesn't have much hope. The villagers are destined to live now without electricity a basic need these days for you and I. I am sure the greenies will think 'well it is much more quaint to keep the villagers as they have been for 4 thousand years'. yeh right!

The green stuff is garbage. Methane and water vapour are the two biggest contributors to green house effect. Co2 is not even close. Large ice sheets are breaking away, well we can afford it. All we hear about is the melting ice up North. It is only 7% of the ice that has been lost. Every year for the last 4 years they have been saying 'we could see the ice cap clear of ice next year', it is all horse sh*t.. Meanwhile the Southern Ice fields have never been bigger in recent years. They are 40% bigger than in 1980, having increased every year. Is that global warming? I don't think so.

All these things calculated by eminent scientists we are told. I hope they are not like the Chief Scientific advisor to Thailand who told all the people to remain calm about the news of Ice Shelves breaking away in the Antarctic and rising sea levels, he said 'there is no need to worry about rising sea levels in Thailand, we are to far away from the south pole for it to have any effect here.:confused::confused::confused: (I wonder if his bathwater is deeper at the tap end?) I don't know about a religion, it is more like a cult. The world will end next year honest, and it never does.



AAAAHHHHHH! I feel better now. Thank you. When can I have my next therapy appointment.

Captain Stable
1st May 2009, 17:41
No, it's not doing it on the cheap as you put it. It's called using funds effectively. When money is limited (as it generally is in Africa), this is a far more effective way of treating the vast majority of illnesses that are usually encountered. It is effective, economical and "green". There is no need for a vast western-style hospital miles from the majority of the population - you get someone with the equipment and drugs that are needed, and send them out among the population. They then get to stay with their families, the money goes far, far further and is not wasted on facilities that St. Thomas' would enjoy but is of little or no use to a tribesman and his family.

Sorry if you don't like it - it's there to stay. Sorry if you don't like that Tanzania isn't wasting it's money by buying equipment and expertise from us - that's their policy, and it works really very well.

Ken Wells
1st May 2009, 18:18
Why not all the other beiefs are based on books. Some not so good some downright dangerous.

I recall a Radio 4 interviewer taking the micky out of a self confessed Jedi, after he filled in his census return, by saying
"isn't it a bit silly to base your RELIGION on a film?"

His reply

"Well Star Wars was a book before a film and most other recognised religions are just based on books"

He had a point, Scientogolgy based on a SFX book, Kabal based on Madona, Islam based on parts of the first testiment, etc etc.

Either books , staring at the Sun, rocks or cave paintings it all tosh anyway.

Why not tree hugging, safe the planet stuff?

On the other hand as an employer I also would have sacked his sorry ass!!
not for his beliefs but for taking the p*&$!:mad: