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goatface
1st May 2009, 11:28
Following the tragedy in Holland yesterday, when 5 people were killed and many more injured when a man drove his car at the Dutch Royal Family's open top bus, The Times decided that it would be in good taste to pblish the following photograph on page 3 of todays edition:


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(Go to image 3).

It's the sort of distressing trash you'd expect from a tabloid, but now I know the UK has lost any sense of professional editorial taste.

Flying Binghi
1st May 2009, 11:37
Whats the prob with "image 3" :confused:

Sprogget
1st May 2009, 11:39
Well, if you're happy with a man's final moments being displayed for all the world to see, with all dignity removed; then nothing at all.

Roger Sofarover
1st May 2009, 11:47
Whats the prob with "image 3"

That is somebody's Father, Husband, Son, Brother, that's the 'prob'!

G-CPTN
1st May 2009, 11:59
The considerable damage to the vehicle (not only a broken windscreen but crushing of the body pillars and collapsing of the roof suggest a major force (probably greater than bodies).

Lon More
1st May 2009, 12:05
NOS Journaal stated once that the car was already damaged earlier.A bodged suicide attempt perhaps?

WTF is the cop in photo 3 doing? Looking the other way?

Avitor
1st May 2009, 12:07
For what it's worth, the nut case driver is reported as being dead.

mustpost
1st May 2009, 12:13
Journo here GF, yup, agree, 3 out of the 8 are not appropriate for the UK - strangely enough 5 is almost OK but could have been taken from further away. The problem arises when you compare graphic news pics from around the world - different cultures etc, and some of our young turks (no racism here!) want to push the boundaries a bit. It's all to do with the interweb thingy..if they don't do it someone else will (that's what they think)

vonbag
1st May 2009, 12:29
The pre-stop against monument extensive damage to the car is possibly explainable by the fact it initially forced through a blockade (with fences and other hard obstacles, I think).

It is extremely unfortunate that the engine kept running thereafter!

I, too, find those three pictures 3,4,5 -- which appear to depict the same spot, the same two victims, a man and maybe a relative of him, that girl -- in three different moments -- inappropriate to be shown to the public...

Moira
1st May 2009, 12:32
The considerable damage to the vehicle (not only a broken windscreen but crushing of the body pillars and collapsing of the roof suggest a major force
First crashed through some crush barriers and into two police motorcyclists (who both didn't survive according to yesterday's TV-news) ... Madman ...

hightower1986
1st May 2009, 12:34
Well i don't exactly agree with it nor do i disagree, yes the images are graphic and if it was my old man or brother than Im not sure how I would feel about them being published in a Newspaper. They are quite shocking but people will always want to see pictures like this, even if they are gruesome we as humans are programmed to want to look, we cant help it and sometimes we wish we hadn't!
People will always criticise others for looking even after looking themselves, I sometimes do anyway! The video of it is quite shocking to watch though, just a mess! Not sure what to make of it?:confused:

er340790
1st May 2009, 14:36
Spent 7 years living in NL and always enjoyed the Queen's Day festivities. Very sad yet another nutter has ruined it for everyone, probably for good.

One thing I will say is that police guy in the white shirt on the bike did exceptionally well to get out of the way in the nick of time. Under a second later and he would have been crushed between the car and the monument. :D

G-CPTN
1st May 2009, 16:32
The second frame shows the cycle-policeman drawing his pistol and appearing to instruct the photographer to stop taking photos.
Is this 'good taste' - or is it forbidden in the Netherlands?
Would drawing his pistol be appropriate?

Dushan
1st May 2009, 16:52
The second frame shows the cycle-policeman drawing his pistol and appearing to instruct the photographer to stop taking photos.
Is this 'good taste' - or is it forbidden in the Netherlands?
Would drawing his pistol be appropriate?

At that moment you don't know who's who, and an apparent photographer could be the second attacker. Better to err on the side of caution. BTW he didn't draw his weapon, he was only getting ready, from the looks of it, and just saying to the crowd 'stand back, back off'. At least he had a sidearm to defend against a possible second attacker. There are places where regular police isn't armed...

G-CPTN
1st May 2009, 17:59
I was impressed by the rapid arrival of the cycling policeman.
Doesn't permit the wearing of anti-stab or anti-ballistic vests though.

Ken Wells
1st May 2009, 18:21
The second frame shows the cycle-policeman drawing his pistol and appearing to instruct the photographer to stop taking photos.
Is this 'good taste' - or is it forbidden in the Netherlands?
Would drawing his pistol be appropriate?

Being in Holland I thought watercolours would have been more appropriate than drawing.

V2-OMG!
1st May 2009, 19:06
The suspect was apparently agitated by the loss of his job.

Gee....I thought my gun-totin', evil, materialistic, status-obsessed American friends and relatives were the only ones who could do something like this.

The Times decided that it would be in good taste to pblish the following photograph on page 3 of todays edition....

But had it happened in America, no doubt it would have made the front page.

Scrubbed
1st May 2009, 19:28
The cousins have shown everyone else how to go out "in style"... he would've used an assault rifle in the American Way but being Dutch he wasn't sure which was the dangerous end so he just used his mo'uh.

Hey Lon, maybe that cop was glancing back at where the car came from for a split second just as the pic was taken. Hmmmmmm.....??????? :rolleyes:

Mr Chips
1st May 2009, 19:36
Interesting idea to post a link to a "distasteful" photograph...so that it gets a wider audience...:ugh:

vonbag
1st May 2009, 19:49
Since there is this thread I make an update here:
7 dead people (criminal driver included), 1 person is still in critical condition.

StaceyF
1st May 2009, 20:15
Since there is this thread I make an update here:
7 dead people (criminal driver included), 1 person is still in critical condition.

And did the driver die from injuries suffered in the incident?

Or have the Netherlands Govt been taking lessons from HMG of the UK on how to get rid of troublemakers?

Google David Kelly if you're in the dark...........

Scrubbed
1st May 2009, 20:18
They call me Stac-ceeeeeeeeeeeee..........

Yep with any luck, "the Dutch" have had a few tips on how to save the tax-payer a bill and help the suicide-driver on his way... good skills. :ok:

vonbag
1st May 2009, 20:36
I am led to accept he died of his injuries, in the hospital, during the night.
From the television and the few newspapers I read, I do not know anything else deeper than this regarding the cause of the death of the criminal driver.

Speculation, from the images of the policeman holding the felony's head straight whilst still trapped in the offending vehicle and wounds on his head, could yield potential spine damage and severe brain concussion with internal hemorragy, which is a known slow killer, in the matter of minutes/ hours.

Flying Binghi
5th May 2009, 09:50
pictures...inappropriate to be shown to the public

Agree there...though i dont think many people would care much - not after getting seven nights a week of desensitising TV murder.

"Karst Tates" driving skills are getting a fair showing on Youtube.

Appears the police may have a motive? -

THE Dutchman who rammed a car into a royal parade last Thursday may have got his inspiration from a movie about a plot to kill a US presidential hopeful

The Electric New Paper, Singapore - The Electric New Paper News (http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4136,200961,00.html)

heli-cal
5th May 2009, 10:46
This incident occurred in public and was broadcast live, its in the public domain in photographic, video, audio and print format.

There is immense public interest.

Interesting that self appointed guardians of 'What The Public Should Be Allowed To See' speak out against the media doing what the media exists to do! :oh:

Roger Sofarover
5th May 2009, 12:17
helic-cal

I think you are missing the point. As an example, if you want to watch porn or indeed violence you are at liberty to go on the internet, find it and watch it. Likewise if you want to read about it in a magazine, then you know where to buy the magazines (they are wrapped in cellophane on the top shelf), both actions just take a conscious decision and acceptance to do it . If you were a member of these unfortunate peoples family, if you want to see your father/husband mangled by a madman, you can go on youtube and find it, however if you have no wish to see it then it is a little more difficult to protect the innocent when those images are splashed all over the front page of the newspapers or on the 6 o'clock news. Likewise if I choose to read or watch something containing adult content then I would do so in privacy. I don't want to explain to my young daughter what the pictures are of splattered people in a daily newspaper when she looks over my shoulder or turns the pages herself. There is no need for that level of graphic violence in a generally available newspaper or TV news item during 'kids hours'. Just my point of view.

vonbag
8th May 2009, 21:26
Just looked at one inspiring TV program about the subject.
Very nice music, very nice words.
Got a little touched by the baroque violin music (that's my weak spot!).
There was also the Dutch Safety Board Chief, attending...:rolleyes: